Chef - describes a visit to Leicester "as one of the most frightening experiences of my life".

[Guest]

exactly, some people simply dont want change.

change frightens most people, including those hurt by the status quo.

[Guest MattP]

Or a much simpler explanation could be that those people to who you are referring grew up in a country before mass immigration and in their opinion it was a much better and safer environment in which to live. If anyone took the trouble to ask exactly why older people tend to be racist in their views that's exactly what they will tell you. But hey no one asked the British public if they wanted mass immigration in the first place so no ones bothered about their opinion now anyway.

Don't try and make sensible well thought out posts about immigration, do you want to be slandered as a racist?

[Guest]

Don't try and make sensible well thought out posts about immigration, do you want to be slandered as a racist?

It was neither sensible or well thought out.

in fact it wasn't thought out at all. It was based on a non factual belief held by the poster.

[purpleronnie]

It was neither sensible or well thought out.

in fact it wasn't thought out at all. It was based on a non factual belief held by the poster.

Exactly but Matt will blindly back up anyone who is anti immigration.

[Guest MattP]

It was neither sensible or well thought out.

in fact it wasn't thought out at all. It was based on a non factual belief held by the poster.

It's very accurate, I've worked in quite a few places where I've interacted a hell of a lot with the elderdy and it's an extremely common opinion among them.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, they are entitled to believe what they want.

[purpleronnie]

It's very accurate, I've worked in quite a few places where I've interacted a hell of a lot with the elderdy and it's an extremely common opinion among them.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, they are entitled to believe what they want.

Sad that some people can't move on....I guess people always look back with rose coloured spec's no doubt we all will.

[Guest MattP]

Exactly but Matt will blindly back up anyone who is anti immigration.

You pair just read what you want though, look at the way FIF dragged a certain quote from what Flowwolf said and removed the 'in their opinion" that preceeded it.

You were arguing a point he hadn't even made himself. He said it was an opinion of a lot of old people, which is absolute fact.

[Guest MattP]

Sad that some people can't move on....I guess people always look back with rose coloured spec's no doubt we all will.

Depends, I don't mind moving on if I see it as positive, I won't be forced into embracing something I don't like no matter how hard you try though.

Anyway Saturday's aren't ment for this, I'm off on the lash.

[purpleronnie]

Talking of not liking change, what's the deal with NIMBY's, always moaning about some proposed building and how it will ruin their lives and destroy the town, my house backs onto fields I understand that one day houses maybe built and guess what? there is proposed housing to be built....I have no problem with it...new houses are needed and they have to build them somewhere.

You've never seen such panic, people running around like its the end of the world. Its amazing how apathetic we are in this country until someone is planning on building houses....within days there was people organising themeselves, going to meetings, a website has been made.....its incredible.

Its truly amazing anything gets built at all.

I understand some peoples concerns but they never seem to approach it with any common sense or balanced view, I dont agree with the large amount of houses that are proposed but I agree some should be built but no-one seems to want any new houses at all. And I had to laugh at one protest letter, it just happend to mention immigrants what a shocker...in a town where it'll be hard to find any...its amazing what people believe...its based on no facts just unintelligent people believing what they're read inthe daily hate...its kind of sad really.

[Rincewind]

I gree with Flowolf and Mat on this occasion. I also know of people who say it was better before immigration. They say the usual things like 'we used to leave doors unlocked and leave money for the milkman. He came in took what he wanted and left the change, couldn't do it today they'd take everythging from the house.'

Pointing out that the most valuable thing in the house was a tube wirelass radiogram that needed a forklift to be moved does not alter their view. Banks never had sophisticated alarm systems so were the preferred target of criminals. The robbers were not so desperate so planned ahead. Today leave a window open when going away for a fortnight attracts the spur on the moment thief in this time of possessions.

If there is a demand for something there will always be people around to supply it be they black white or purple with yellow dots. The English love curries so who better to serve them than Indians? Send them 'back' and they'd take the recipes with them. Can't have it all ways

Seriously in times of hardship there is always a section of the community targeted to take the blame. This is true for all countries over thousands of years.

[Rincewind]

Talking of not liking change, what's the deal with NIMBY's, always moaning about some proposed building and how it will ruin their lives and destroy the town, my house backs onto fields I understand that one day houses maybe built and guess what? there is proposed housing to be built....I have no problem with it...new houses are needed and they have to build them somewhere.

You've never seen such panic, people running around like its the end of the world. Its amazing how apathetic we are in this country until someone is planning on building houses....within days there was people organising themeselves, going to meetings, a website has been made.....its incredible.

Its truly amazing anything gets built at all.

I understand some peoples concerns but they never seem to approach it with any common sense or balanced view, I dont agree with the large amount of houses that are proposed but I agree some should be built but no-one seems to want any new houses at all. And I had to laugh at one protest letter, it just happend to mention immigrants what a shocker...in a town where it'll be hard to find any...its amazing what people believe...its based on no facts just unintelligent people believing what they're read inthe daily hate...its kind of sad really.

True. I remember when the Dawn Centre was first proposed to be built. Conduit Sytreet was just one place proposed. Forget where the others were but there were complaints then. 'Oh we'll have drunks outside our house all night etc. It was build on Con Conduit Street opposite The Jolly Miller (A pub) I have not noticed any all night boozing outside and not even seen drunks outside (well the odd one or two) but it's no worse than the City Centre at night. It is run well.

The Jolly Miller is now closed.

[Zingari]

Talking of not liking change, what's the deal with NIMBY's, always moaning about some proposed building and how it will ruin their lives and destroy the town, my house backs onto fields I understand that one day houses maybe built and guess what? there is proposed housing to be built....I have no problem with it...new houses are needed and they have to build them somewhere.

You've never seen such panic, people running around like its the end of the world. Its amazing how apathetic we are in this country until someone is planning on building houses....within days there was people organising themeselves, going to meetings, a website has been made.....its incredible.

Its truly amazing anything gets built at all.

I understand some peoples concerns but they never seem to approach it with any common sense or balanced view, I dont agree with the large amount of houses that are proposed but I agree some should be built but no-one seems to want any new houses at all. And I had to laugh at one protest letter, it just happend to mention immigrants what a shocker...in a town where it'll be hard to find any...its amazing what people believe...its based on no facts just unintelligent people believing what they're read inthe daily hate...its kind of sad really.

I know exactly what you mean

Some moaning old fookers don't even like it if they get a bit of shit on their shoes . They just can't handle these little changes. their lives

[Carl the Llama]

I know exactly what you mean

Some moaning old fookers don't even like it if they get a bit of shit on their shoes . They just can't handle these little changes. their lives

Amen, just ask Purple"£200Shoes"Ronnie.

[BunkMoreland]

Talking of not liking change, what's the deal with NIMBY's, always moaning about some proposed building and how it will ruin their lives and destroy the town, my house backs onto fields I understand that one day houses maybe built and guess what? there is proposed housing to be built....I have no problem with it...new houses are needed and they have to build them somewhere.

You've never seen such panic, people running around like its the end of the world. Its amazing how apathetic we are in this country until someone is planning on building houses....within days there was people organising themeselves, going to meetings, a website has been made.....its incredible.

Its truly amazing anything gets built at all.

I understand some peoples concerns but they never seem to approach it with any common sense or balanced view, I dont agree with the large amount of houses that are proposed but I agree some should be built but no-one seems to want any new houses at all. And I had to laugh at one protest letter, it just happend to mention immigrants what a shocker...in a town where it'll be hard to find any...its amazing what people believe...its based on no facts just unintelligent people believing what they're read inthe daily hate...its kind of sad really.

I guess people just like a chance to have a moan. A few years ago in a village near me there was outrage when one of the two pubs and one of the three shops was going to close down. Blame being thrown about all over tha place. Everyone bemoaning the loss of community. Couple of years later a nee housing development was proposed which included a new pub and two new shops. Outrage! The community will be ruined!

[Zingari]

Amen, just ask Purple"£200Shoes"Ronnie.

Yes exactly , I mean just because you buy a pair of shoes that don't smell of shit , why make a great big deal and song and dance about it when circumstances dictate that shoes smelling of shit is the way it is now.

People really need to embrace change and not be fearful of the new .

[Guest]

World war in the 40's

world nearly annhialated in the 60's

damn safe.

[Smudge]

World war in the 40's

world nearly annhialated in the 60's

damn safe.

They are meaning that they felt safe in the community they lived in and not necessarily threatened by the neighbours, but you knew that didn't you?

[purpleronnie]

I know exactly what you mean

Some moaning old fookers don't even like it if they get a bit of shit on their shoes . They just can't handle these little changes. their lives

[purpleronnie]

They are meaning that they felt safe in the community they lived in and not necessarily threatened by the neighbours, but you knew that didn't you?

I always think people automatically believe the past was better, but there are certain crimes like murder that has barely changed in 40 years in the UK but If you were to ask anyone over 50 I bet the vast majority would say its much worse thesedays. My Dad his lived in the same town for 50 years and thinks its no different now apart from theres more people living in it.

[Guest MattP]

I always think people automatically believe the past was better, but there are certain crimes like murder that has barely changed in 40 years in the UK but If you were to ask anyone over 50 I bet the vast majority would say its much worse thesedays. My Dad his lived in the same town for 50 years and thinks its no different now apart from theres more people living in it.

If the murder rate has barely changed that means it was far safer back then surely?.

Think how many lives are saved now by the hospitals etc considering how far medically we are advanced from 40 years ago.

[Guest]

They are meaning that they felt safe in the community they lived in and not necessarily threatened by the neighbours, but you knew that didn't you?

still child sex violations were common and accepted practice in the 60's and 70's. It has been shown that people knew that they were going on but said nothing.

Ignorance is bliss.

People felt safer in the past because they are/were ignorant.

[davieG]

I think it's more a case of younger people generally feel safer bordering on the immortal they just don't think about crime, accidents and death but as you get older and experience these things, either personally or through the experience of others then you get to realise how fragile your existence is and that makes you more wary of potential danger.

We all get old and I guarantee that many of the young people of today will go through these same experiences and will end up feeling the same way.

Probably even more so as the population expands, resources diminish, the rich getting every more richer the poorer getting ever more poorer and the potential splitting of society into an elite all in their protected enclaves and an underworld of crime and poverty a process that has already begun..

[Rincewind]

If you look at the Victorian era there were as many if not more murders. A tramp or a low paid worker's death would not make the headlines as much a lord of the Manor. Partly because the dearhs would be treated differently. A body found in the street may have been considered self inflicted. Falling over when drunk etc. It would not be headlines anyway yet and the better off person would as it would be of interest to the readers. Many of the working class at the time would not have read a newspaper like they do now. Flogging was popular also and the police were praised for beating to death some petty criminal that had stolen a loaf of bread. There were more stairs leading to cells in those days.

[CupidStunt]

is she Bernie in disguise?

[Smudge]

I always think people automatically believe the past was better, but there are certain crimes like murder that has barely changed in 40 years in the UK but If you were to ask anyone over 50 I bet the vast majority would say its much worse these days. My Dad his lived in the same town for 50 years and thinks its no different now apart from theres more people living in it.

Not according to this document murder rates per million of population have more doubled since 1960 which in absolute terms is even higher. Given all those facts, I'd say the place was safer.

You and FIF seem to think I'm referring to 40 years ago, I'm not. I'm talking about a time when I lived in Leicester(shire) which was from 1946 to 1962. I am also not correlating this to immigration either, just in case there's any further misunderstanding.