Bettsj2 Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Being homophobic is that bad. It means you do not like (and may persecute) gay people because of their sexuality. It's on a par with racism. You can choose who have sex with but you can't choose who you fall in love with. You can say that you don't get it or that it's not for you but to begin to deny people the same options as yourself based on their sexuality is wrong. It really isnt on a par with racism. Gay men and women should have completely the same rights as any hetrosexual person. But if someone feels uncomfortable with that, they should be allowed to feel that way without persecution as long as that person does not cause any damage with that view.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 It's unfair because the child will be stigmatized and this will happen regardless of whether or not you or anyone else think it should. It reminds me of a mother who was in the news not long ago, if I remember correctly she dressed her young male child in female clothing and treated him like a girl, justifying it through gender equality, saying gender shouldn't matter. She may have been right, but forcing it upon a child is wrong. The prority should always be the child and that means avoiding where possible any chance that the child may suffer stigmatism or any other kind of disadvantage. The only way the child will be stigmatized is becasue there a biggots in the world, most people and certaintly young children couldn't care less, the more it becomes the norm the more it will be accepted. Just like having a baby out of wedlock, even 10-15 years ago it was seen as taboo, now it's pretty common practice.
Bettsj2 Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 But these feelings should be challenged, all phobias can be cured, although homophobia is not a real phobia, it is like racism or sexism, people need to be challenged on these feelings and made to confront them rather than just resorting to trotting out crap like it's not natural. Phobias can be cured? Some thought the same about homosexuality not too long ago. It is like sexism but is nothing like the history attached with racism. That comparison is completely over the top.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 I would love to do a poll amongst people against gay adoption, to see how many people assume because you are gay you are also a paedophile. Think there would be a number of homophobes that think that's the case.
Bettsj2 Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 I would love to do a poll amongst people against gay adoption, to see how many people assume because you are gay you are also a paedophile. Think there would be a number of homophobes that think that's the case. Didnt David Cameron say that not too long ago?
anotherharboroughfox Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 I would love to do a poll amongst people against gay adoption, to see how many people assume because you are gay you are also a paedophile. Think there would be a number of homophobes that think that's the case. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20251939
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Well there you go, don't follow british politics.....actually barely follow Australian politics other than the major issues.
Captain... Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Phobias can be cured? Some thought the same about homosexuality not too long ago. It is like sexism but is nothing like the history attached with racism. That comparison is completely over the top. Yes phobias can be cured as they are an unnatural irrational fear, and by confronting them they can change them, see Derren Brown's show on placebos. Homophobia, like racism is a prejudice against people for what they are not who they are. It is different in the sense that it is not obvious straigt away if someone is gay, as opposed to black, but that makes it even more ridiculous, that someone can meet someone be perfectly fine with them, get on really well even, and then find out that this person is gay and suddenly they dislike them. It is nonsense, and the sooner people realise that the better.
Xen Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Where's the resident homophobe Mack? People opposed to gay adoption cos it's unfair on the child? Is it unfair because being brought up in a loving, caring same sex couple gives the kids an unfair advantage over abusive, unemployed, unloving, junky, feral parents? ^This. If that was the choice most people would choose the loving gay couple, but that is not the choice adoption agencies have. The choice is normally a loving straight couple or a loving gay couple, I would place them with the loving straight couple as they would benefit from a mother and a father instead of 2 mums or 2 dads. Genuine question - what is the benefit of having straight parents over gay parents? I can only think of two disadvantages (being that gay dads with a daughter or lesbian mums with a son may face 'awkward' questions around puberty time, and around the same time the child *may* be bullied slightly at school), but even then the former is almost trivial, and the latter is nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be (especially with the way attitudes towards homosexuality are changing, and the (generally) more accepting mindset of young people today).
Bettsj2 Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Yes phobias can be cured as they are an unnatural irrational fear, and by confronting them they can change them, see Derren Brown's show on placebos. Homophobia, like racism is a prejudice against people for what they are not who they are. It is different in the sense that it is not obvious straigt away if someone is gay, as opposed to black, but that makes it even more ridiculous, that someone can meet someone be perfectly fine with them, get on really well even, and then find out that this person is gay and suddenly they dislike them. It is nonsense, and the sooner people realise that the better. What you describe isnt really what i'm talking about so let me try and describe it another way using a real example. A few years ago I was in a band doing a gig at some theatre up north. It was a tribute act show and we were sharing a dressing room with a Take That tribute. They came off stage into the dressing room and two of them started kissing. It made me feel uncomfortable. I didnt kick off or start having a go, nor did I tut or shake my head etc. I felt uncomfortable so I left. I've been in the same situation where its been a guy and a girl and I didnt feel uncomfortable. I dont know why that is and frankly, I dont think there's a problem. I certainly dont think any amount of education on homosexuality would make me feel less uncomfortable because as i've said, i'm not against homosexuality. It just makes me uncomfortable. Do I feel that that aspect of me needs changing? Not particularly.
Bert Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Must be one of the only people not bothered about this! Don't personally see the problem though.
Captain... Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 What you describe isnt really what i'm talking about so let me try and describe it another way using a real example. A few years ago I was in a band doing a gig at some theatre up north. It was a tribute act show and we were sharing a dressing room with a Take That tribute. They came off stage into the dressing room and two of them started kissing. It made me feel uncomfortable. I didnt kick off or start having a go, nor did I tut or shake my head etc. I felt uncomfortable so I left. I've been in the same situation where its been a guy and a girl and I didnt feel uncomfortable. I dont know why that is and frankly, I dont think there's a problem. I certainly dont think any amount of education on homosexuality would make me feel less uncomfortable because as i've said, i'm not against homosexuality. It just makes me uncomfortable. Do I feel that that aspect of me needs changing? Not particularly. But that is a different thing, I felt embarrassed the first time I saw girl take her top off, now I don't. It is natural to feel awkward or embarrassed the first time you see something, like anything you stop caring after a while it stops being a big thing. Next time you see 2 men kissing you will probably be a little less uncomfortable as the shock lessens. That isn't homophobia, homophobia is thinking that someone is less of a person, less of a man, deserves less than someone who is straight.
Bettsj2 Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 But that is a different thing, I felt embarrassed the first time I saw girl take her top off, now I don't. It is natural to feel awkward or embarrassed the first time you see something, like anything you stop caring after a while it stops being a big thing. Next time you see 2 men kissing you will probably be a little less uncomfortable as the shock lessens. That isn't homophobia, homophobia is thinking that someone is less of a person, less of a man, deserves less than someone who is straight. There wont be a next time. Disgusting.
FoxyPV Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Bert you said earlier being a homophobe is ok. What you have said above is different from being being homophobic.
flowwolf Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Oh fvcking hell not this shit again. Who apart from homosexuals care ? Why do they want to get married in a church that absolutley hates them, not one single religion tolerates homosexuality so what is the point ? So any homosexuals on the site would you care to enlighten me ?
Bert Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Bert you said earlier being a homophobe is ok. What you have said above is different from being being homophobic. That was my first post in this thread?
Captain... Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 ^This. Genuine question - what is the benefit of having straight parents over gay parents? I can only think of two disadvantages (being that gay dads with a daughter or lesbian mums with a son may face 'awkward' questions around puberty time, and around the same time the child *may* be bullied slightly at school), but even then the former is almost trivial, and the latter is nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be (especially with the way attitudes towards homosexuality are changing, and the (generally) more accepting mindset of young people today). Well it all depends, I get different things from my dad than from my mum, and you do get different bonds between your father and mother on an emotional level. Whether those are still formed with adopted parents I don't know, but things like skin contact with the mother are very important and mothers and fathers have different instincts towards their children. Would you place a baby girl with 2 men, or a boy with lesbians? This is not just about a few awkward moments during puberty it is about understanding and being able to relate to every difficult moment in their lives. If I had to choose the best for the child, and they were two equally loving caring couples, I would choose the male female couple as it would give them a more balanced well rounded upbringing. Even if it is only a minor slight advantage, the priority is the best for the child. Any other circumstances it would require someone much more qualified than me to determine exactly what requirements a gay couple needs to have an advantage over a straight couple in terms of relative benefits, but assuming all else is equal I would choose a straight couple, because it is a man and a woman and no other reason.
Captain... Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 There wont be a next time. Disgusting. You see that is homophobia, it is not disgusting, no more so than a man and woman kissing or 2 women kissing.
Captain... Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Oh fvcking hell not this shit again. Who apart from homosexuals care ? Why do they want to get married in a church that absolutley hates them, not one single religion tolerates homosexuality so what is the point ? So any homosexuals on the site would you care to enlighten me ? Plenty of religions have churches and priests that are tolerant to homosexuals, so that is one big reason for me, if a religion wants to marry a couple in the eyes of their god, why shouldn't they?
Bettsj2 Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 You see that is homophobia, it is not disgusting, no more so than a man and woman kissing or 2 women kissing. Just tryin to lighten the mood pal. I'd watch 2 women kissing all night long. Caveat - They'd need to look like Megan Fox and any other woman from the Hottest Celebs thread!!
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 You see that is homophobia, it is not disgusting, no more so than a man and woman kissing or 2 women kissing. I agree with you mate, but you're not going to convince prejuidce people.
The Blur Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 OK, that's clearly rubbish and neglects that all parties have members within them that have different opinions, not to mention different faith groups and views within different faiths. But if you want to believe that it's just Tories, then go and live in cloud-cuckoo land. Maybe I didn't made my point clear. I am fairly sure a quite significant number of Tories accept same sex marriage-the only reason this debate became a such big deal because Cameron doesn't want to segregate his party and to lose some of his supporters to UKIP. There is inevitably a small number of narrowed minded Tories who will vote against. This debate only gained bigger coverage because the paranoia of pro same sex marriage Tories wavering on what vote they wanted to make. Otherwise it would be a straightforward vote or at least I hope there is a higher proportion of MPs who have common sense. I never specifically mentioned it was just the Tories who was against this bill.
Captain... Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Just tryin to lighten the mood pal. I'd watch 2 women kissing all night long. Caveat - They'd need to look like Megan Fox and any other woman from the Hottest Celebs thread!! If you were joking I missed it, you need to use more smileys , the fact is a lot of people do feel like that and think it is disgusting and that is homophobic, a couple of straight friends of mind nearly got beaten up because they were messing about acting gay, just for a laugh and showing off in front of girls, cos some knuckle draggers thought they were gay.
flowwolf Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Plenty of religions have churches and priests that are tolerant to homosexuals, so that is one big reason for me, if a religion wants to marry a couple in the eyes of their god, why shouldn't they? That's because there are lots of homosexual priests. I was referring to all religions bibles and commandments. They make no bones about what they think of homosexuality , to them it is a sin punishable by God. Now why on earth would any self respecting homosexual want to be part of that ridiculous backward medievil set up? again I ask what is the point ? They have had to put up with mindless prejudice all their lives so isn't this like sticking your head in the lions mouth ?
fleckneymike Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 If the Internet existed 50 or 60 odd years ago we could change the word gay for black and I assume the debate would be virtually identical over whether 'mixed' marriage was acceptable.
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