flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Are you being deliberately obtuse? He just said that marriage is not a natural thing. And he's right, it's a man made construct. Well done yes I was being deliberately obtuse. Of course you do realise that every time you resort to abuse (Are you his mother?) you appear like the classroom idiot who does not realise he is wearing the dunce cap while professing to tell others how clever he is. No it was a genuine question, well are you ?
MooseBreath Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 So you'd rather see a kid raised in a care home, or bounced from one foster home to another, or living on the streets than living with a loving family of two parents? What the hell is wrong with you? There are no legitimate reasons for disallowing gays to adopt. If the concern is that a father/mother figure will be absent from the child's life, then adoption by single parents should also be disallowed. As it stands, however, we do allow single parents to adopt. Therefore, banning gays from adopting is hypocritical. Your parents aren't the only role models in your life, my life was shaped by my mother and father, but I had many role models in the community and at places like school, or work who have made an impression on me and made me the person I am today. Also, if your argument is that gay parents will never be able to reproduce, this is completely invalid. First of all, why does that matter? They're adopting, not repopulating a post-apocalyptic world. The inability to reproduce has no founding in this debate. If it did, sterile or infertile people would be barred from adoption. That, however, would be cruel, because it would take away somebody's only chance of raising a child. Finally, your asserion that the child might 'take after its parents' just shows how ignorant you are. Children who grow up with gay parents do not automatically "choose" to be gay because, guess what, it's not a choice. What about the social stigma that the child WILL have to deal with? How do you begin to justify putting a child through that kind of trauma?
Leicester Piggott Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 There are gay people on here ? The doorstaff are on strike.
1964FOX Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 What about the social stigma that the child WILL have to deal with? How do you begin to justify putting a child through that kind of trauma? Not nowadays they will probably be considered cool. Also can you imagine how stylish you would. If brought up by two gay men, pulling women would be a doodle.
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Don't really see what Gay people bringing up kids has got to do with the debate anyway Aint they been allowed to adopt for years? Nothing to do with Gay marriage.
Zingari Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 He probably means the film Broke back mountain perhaps he was adopted by Elton and David ? Ah yes I hadn't thought of that . All I could think of is that he must have walked in on his parents as they were re-enacting some sort of bucking bronco type rodeo show with daddy Empty shouting yeeeeee haaaaa !!!
I am Rod Hull Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 You`ve got to hand it to the gays they moan and moan until they get what they want. Bless em.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 You`ve got to hand it to the gays they moan and moan until they get what they want. Bless em. It's not so much a moan it's more of a lisp.
Leicester Piggott Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 You`ve got to hand it to the gays they moan and moan ........................... The perfect recipe for a marriage!
BoneDog Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Saw a bit of 90's Friends earlier and funnily enough two lettuce lickers were having a baby. TV mind control. Now everyone thinks it's ok.
Corky Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 I agree. As i say I've no problem with gays, more to do with how being gay is launched upon us by tv programs etc. It does seem unnatural to me. Any bloke who isn't gay yet doesn't think that shoving his nob up a blokes arse, or putting his chops around another blokes nob is unnatural is fooling himself What programmes do you watch then, where this happens?
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 "When in doubt, get the race card out" - brilliantly cunning liberals Only surprise was it took until page 9. What was the trophy of a man shagging a kid trying to prove as well? Presume that's going to the Liberals next campaign after the gay rights enforcement has finished?
I am Rod Hull Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 I want to be married to a bowl of green flavour jelly and I think its my right to do so, if I march on Westminster, wave my placard and give them a petition with my demands on it do you think eventually I`ll get my way? GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!!!!
I am Rod Hull Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Saw a bit of 90's Friends earlier and funnily enough two lettuce lickers were having a baby. TV mind control. Now everyone thinks it's ok. Exxxxxxxxxxactly, media brainwashing for all.
leicsmac Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 There's so many strawmen flying around here it's unbelievable. No one light anything up.
1964FOX Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Saw a 90's program the other day with some homophobic characters in it, thankfully nobody with any intelligence has been brainwashed by this and we now all love the rainbow.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Ha ha Sarah Teather. She's always come across as a sanctimonious idiot when being interviewed or questioned. http://www.telegraph...-in-policy.html Doesn't surprise me, I'm from a Catholic background and upbringing (though an athiest now) and these folk are often the worst sort of Liberals, seen it first hand, preach everything and anything left-wing in public for PR purposes then go completely against it behind it closed doors. Don't expect anyone in the Liberal Democrats to pull her up on it.
leicsmac Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 And incidentally, I find the whole thing a pretty fvcking stupid thing to argue about. The 'marriage' ceremony is in no way just a religious institution, and indeed there are religions that agree with gay marriage, so I see no problem with the term 'marriage' being used to describe a ceremony of partnership between two people of the same sex. It's a semantic argument over the meaning of a word, for pitys sake. If certain churches want to prohibit gay marriage in their dioceses, then so be it - the important thing is making the choice available. Change the law, let gay people call their partnership ceremonies 'marriage' (because that's the only real change here) if they want to and move the fvck on.
Haydos Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 And incidentally, I find the whole thing a pretty fvcking stupid thing to argue about. The 'marriage' ceremony is in no way just a religious institution, and indeed there are religions that agree with gay marriage, so I see no problem with the term 'marriage' being used to describe a ceremony of partnership between two people of the same sex. It's a semantic argument over the meaning of a word, for pitys sake. If certain churches want to prohibit gay marriage in their dioceses, then so be it - the important thing is making the choice available. Change the law, let gay people call their partnership ceremonies 'marriage' (because that's the only real change here) if they want to and move the fvck on. If homophobes didn't exist then it would be that simple. It's as straight forward as that.
BoneDog Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 What about the social stigma that the child WILL have to deal with? How do you begin to justify putting a child through that kind of trauma? This is the main problem I have with the idea. People can say times are a changing, but they're not really. There are still millions of racists around and there'll always be millions of gayists too. Some racists/gayists are going to be the bullying or violent types. Kids can be brutal and alot of kids who have two same sex parents are going to get emotionally wrecked at school whether the school gives out speeches about being 'accepting' or not.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 I don't suppose the kids themselves may look on homosexuality as wrong then? Despite what adults think they do have a mind of their own unless of course they have been brainwashed in which case the poor buggers are in for a shock in the real world.
purpleronnie Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 This is the main problem I have with the idea. People can say times are a changing, but they're not really. There are still millions of racists around and there'll always be millions of gayists too. Some racists/gayists are going to be the bullying or violent types. Kids can be brutal and alot of kids who have two same sex parents are going to get emotionally wrecked at school whether the school gives out speeches about being 'accepting' or not. Its definatelya possibility the child maybe bullied at school, but they might not, they might be bullied simply because they are adopted whether to a gay couple or not, they could be bullied simply because they come from a childrens home, its a difficult one no doubt,but to be so firmly against it simply for the reason they 'might be bullied' seems weak, especially given the alternative.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 And incidentally, I find the whole thing a pretty fvcking stupid thing to argue about. The 'marriage' ceremony is in no way just a religious institution, and indeed there are religions that agree with gay marriage, so I see no problem with the term 'marriage' being used to describe a ceremony of partnership between two people of the same sex. It's a semantic argument over the meaning of a word, for pitys sake. If certain churches want to prohibit gay marriage in their dioceses, then so be it - the important thing is making the choice available. Change the law, let gay people call their partnership ceremonies 'marriage' (because that's the only real change here) if they want to and move the fvck on. Yes that's right ignore what a a great many people think , you just whinge whine and moan stamp your little feet accuse all and sundry of being bigots and racists and homophobes until you get your own way and move the fvck on. yep it's as simple as that.
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