Captain... Posted 9 April 2013 Author Posted 9 April 2013 Nice to see the same people moaning about Thatcher's treatment of the working class are complaining this girl is being paid too much at £7.21 an hour. It is twice the minimum wage for a girl her age, so in the age of austerity it could be half that.
Tempwan Yierban Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 To be fair, you'll find a lot of people like her hanging around Kent. What they should've done is target somewhere like my old school where the majority of students would've done a good job. However, it seems they wanted to get someone who can relate to our current crop of youths and personally I think she does that, coming from that part of the world. Chatham, Gillingham and other parts of Kent are brimming with girls like her. Very ironic. I don't agree that the merely using the word "fag" is conveying her opinion on gays however. What school did you go to? Agree with your comments wholeheartedly. Maidstone Grammar (Barton Road) here.
Captain... Posted 9 April 2013 Author Posted 9 April 2013 I didn't mean it politically, just that the kind of twats who work in departments whose job it is to come up with this kind of crap are usually liberal arts students, hence otherwise unemployable idiots who now survive by convincing enough tired decision makers that their latest GEN Y idea isn't just a load of pretentious horse shit. It was the police commissioner, who ran as an independent, who pledge to appoint a youth police commissioner, the public voted for it, so she was democratically bound to appoint one, she even went to the level of subsidising the salary from her own, to the tune of £5,000 a year. I bet she is glad all this has come out, so she can sack her, keep her extra 5K a year and not lose face, or be accused of going back on her election promise.
21st Century Fox Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 I think at least £5,000 of her £15,000 was coming out of the PCC's own wage. Gutted. Edit: ^ Beat me.
Tempwan Yierban Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 It was the police commissioner, who ran as an independent, who pledge to appoint a youth police commissioner, the public voted for it, so she was democratically bound to appoint one, she even went to the level of subsidising the salary from her own, to the tune of £5,000 a year. I bet she is glad all this has come out, so she can sack her, keep her extra 5K a year and not lose face, or be accused of going back on her election promise. Trust me, from the 17 year old girls in Kent she could have employed, she's actually not done that badly. It doesn't look like a deliberate act of appointing someone crap.
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Can you not turn that the other way, though? It's a ceremonial position given to a child as a publicity stunt, could you not better serve the community with that money in a way that isn't just an attempt to jump up the profile of the already overpaid suit that dreamt the idea up? So how would you propose the Police try to get in touch with the youth of today, which I'm sure you'll agree they're wildly out of touch with?
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 It is twice the minimum wage for a girl her age, so in the age of austerity it could be half that. And that's what you think it should be?
Captain... Posted 9 April 2013 Author Posted 9 April 2013 So how would you propose the Police try to get in touch with the youth of today, which I'm sure you'll agree they're wildly out of touch with? If I felt I was out of touch with someone, or something, I would get in touch myself, and not appoint someone else to do it. The police are out of touch not because they are old, but because they are distant, they are seen as authority figures not community figures, or as a joke, ineffective, and unable to tackle the issues. By appointing a "yoof" officer, they more or less admitting they are old and clueless so are bringing in some snot nosed brat to do it for them. People are going to have no more respect for her than a 40 year old plod as she still represents the police. To look at it another way, if I was a Police Commissioner and was accused of being out of touch with the black community, I would get down there and speak to the black communities, not appoint a black person to do it for me.
Captain... Posted 9 April 2013 Author Posted 9 April 2013 And that's what you think it should be? No, I think it should be nothing and the role shouldn't exist.
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Is that because no 17 year old is interested though? Not really a factor, I'm bigger and stronger than most of them so their interest doesn't come into it.
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 So how would you propose the Police try to get in touch with the youth of today, which I'm sure you'll agree they're wildly out of touch with? Haven't they always been out of touch with the youth? Kids **** about and don't like a copper telling them to pack it in, appointing some bint with painted on brows isn't going to change that. Not really a factor, I'm bigger and stronger than most of them so their interest doesn't come into it.
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 If I felt I was out of touch with someone, or something, I would get in touch myself, and not appoint someone else to do it. The police are out of touch not because they are old, but because they are distant, they are seen as authority figures not community figures, or as a joke, ineffective, and unable to tackle the issues. By appointing a "yoof" officer, they more or less admitting they are old and clueless so are bringing in some snot nosed brat to do it for them. People are going to have no more respect for her than a 40 year old plod as she still represents the police. To look at it another way, if I was a Police Commissioner and was accused of being out of touch with the black community, I would get down there and speak to the black communities, not appoint a black person to do it for me. Maybe you should have a read of the job description - people aren't supposed to have respect for her as a figure of authority and her role is not to 'do it for' the Police but instead to advise the Police on young people's opinions. It's pretty much the opposite of what you're saying. Whilst the idea of going out to the community is great on paper there are 2 main problems - 1, It takes a lot of time to organise and as such would be infrequent 2, It would cost a lot more than £15K a year The better alternative would be to have a full time representative (and in your example about the black community yes I would take a black person on my team if they were truly representative) as it's cheaper and it means every idea, no matter how small, can be run by them for their opinion. They can then talk this through with their friends, gauge opinion, etc, etc. I can't see how having that viewpoint is a bad thing. Is this the fantastic idea and going to solve all Policing problems? No, but it's a small start and for the price that the Police probably spend on bulldog clips every year I really don't understand people's issue
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Maybe you should have a read of the job description - people aren't supposed to have respect for her as a figure of authority and her role is not to 'do it for' the Police but instead to advise the Police on young people's opinions. It's pretty much the opposite of what you're saying. Whilst the idea of going out to the community is great on paper there are 2 main problems - 1, It takes a lot of time to organise and as such would be infrequent 2, It would cost a lot more than £15K a year The better alternative would be to have a full time representative (and in your example about the black community yes I would take a black person on my team if they were truly representative) as it's cheaper and it means every idea, no matter how small, can be run by them for their opinion. They can then talk this through with their friends, gauge opinion, etc, etc. I can't see how having that viewpoint is a bad thing. Is this the fantastic idea and going to solve all Policing problems? No, but it's a small start and for the price that the Police probably spend on bulldog clips every year I really don't understand people's issue Do police not actually go into Schools any more?
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Haven't they always been out of touch with the youth? Exactly, why not try to change that Kids **** about and don't like a copper telling them to pack it in, appointing some bint with painted on brows isn't going to change that. And if she's put in charge of beat bobbies then we're in trouble. But what about if her role is to advise on the issues facing young people? Maybe the 'lifestyle choice' hate crimes would have been tackled several years ago and not last week, maybe designer drugs could have been handled differently, youth drinking, cyber bullying, loitering, etc, etc... And what about it working the other way, the Police finding out the best way to communicate with kids, make sure they're safe, get them home at night, explain the danger of certain things, etc, etc.
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Exactly, why not try to change that Because it's like trying to get teenagers to not be grumpy with their parents. Kids don't like being told not to do something.
Guest Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 But what about if her role is to advise on the issues facing young people? Maybe the 'lifestyle choice' hate crimes would have been tackled several years ago and not last week, maybe designer drugs could have been handled differently, youth drinking, cyber bullying, loitering, etc, etc... Her twitter feed hardly suggests she's in a position to offer anything constructive in any of these areas being as she's guilty of condoning at least a few of those from that small sample the papers displayed.
Captain... Posted 9 April 2013 Author Posted 9 April 2013 Maybe you should have a read of the job description - people aren't supposed to have respect for her as a figure of authority and her role is not to 'do it for' the Police but instead to advise the Police on young people's opinions. It's pretty much the opposite of what you're saying. Whilst the idea of going out to the community is great on paper there are 2 main problems - 1, It takes a lot of time to organise and as such would be infrequent 2, It would cost a lot more than £15K a year The better alternative would be to have a full time representative (and in your example about the black community yes I would take a black person on my team if they were truly representative) as it's cheaper and it means every idea, no matter how small, can be run by them for their opinion. They can then talk this through with their friends, gauge opinion, etc, etc. I can't see how having that viewpoint is a bad thing. Is this the fantastic idea and going to solve all Policing problems? No, but it's a small start and for the price that the Police probably spend on bulldog clips every year I really don't understand people's issue Bit racist that, you'd employ a black person cos they are cheaper than a white person... Any what I'm saying is this is her job: She spoke about how much influence she will have over the community:"Ann wants me to be that voice, she wants me to be that link, she wants me to go out and talk to everyone and find out what their problems are so I can relay that back to her." It would be much better for the policemen and women to go out and talk to everyone, to communicate and connect with the youth, and the rest of the community. As for her role, whatever it was it was flawed, consulting one representative of the youth is hardly going to make any difference, the police need to connect with the communities again, young and old, and discuss things through with a cross section of society, she is a white female, probably upper working class, very little life experience, lives on the Isle of Sheppy, how is consulting her going to result in anything more than a very limited view point. They had 164 applicants, now if they had recruited half of them on a consultation basis, and paid them as and when they were actually used, they would have had a much better cross section of society involved, really how much work is she going to do? Get a community group together on a monthly basis, young and old and get them to talk through the issues with the PCC that is a much better idea.
Captain... Posted 9 April 2013 Author Posted 9 April 2013 Her twitter feed hardly suggests she's in a position to offer anything constructive in any of these areas being as she's guilty of condoning at least a few of those from that small sample the papers displayed. To be fair to her that was in her past and is now in a better position to advise on such things, having experienced them, but I still think that a full time role on a very high salary for a 17 year old is wrong.
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 They had 164 applicants, now if they had recruited half of them on a consultation basis, and paid them as and when they were actually used, they would have had a much better cross section of society involved, really how much work is she going to do? Get a community group together on a monthly basis, young and old and get them to talk through the issues with the PCC that is a much better idea. There we go, that's a great idea. Why can't people start off with these sort of things rather than just slag off an easy target and get ourselves nowhere
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 There we go, that's a great idea. Why can't people start off with these sort of things rather than just slag off an easy target and get ourselves nowhere Because it's a football forum and not a government think tank?
Houdini Logic Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Because it's a football forum and not a government think tank? Good point, what come over me... You're a **** and you're probably gay! Waayyyy.....
Babylon Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Good point, what come over me... You're a **** and you're probably gay! Waayyyy..... That's more like it! willy puller.
MrSpaM Posted 9 April 2013 Posted 9 April 2013 Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, the future of our country!
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