The new Kent police youth coordinator is a foul mouthed, sex obsessed, racist, homophobic, aggressive binge drinker...

[Carl the Llama]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you, the future of our cuntry!

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

She's a right cvnt to be honest. I hope she dies. But yeah, enjoy your 15k a year. Cvnt

[ealingfox]

Few things:

Do we even need police in Kent anyway?

How was she qualified to do this job?

Why did this PCC think she was the way to go? Classic horrendously out-of-touch Tories.

Saying the police should just talk to youths is simplistic, you have to understand that police are just an absolute no-go for youths who really are involved in unlawful activity. They are the biggest enemy. Even in my days as a teen, the red-tapey, schoolmaster approach of beat policemen used to piss me off to no end. In principle, I feel like a Youth Commissioner isn't a bad idea, but they should be a) 18-22 and (without wanting to be sexist) b) a guy.

Youths who commit crimes or anti-social behaviour are predominantly..... male. The type I can use as an example from personal experience would not have a serious conversation with a 17yo girl, who I'd wager does not properly understand or empathise with them at all. You need a male from a non-privileged background, who has recently grown out of their juvenile years to discuss issues with them in order to be thorough and non-patronising. I also feel a YC of this description is needed to properly advise the police on the streets on how to talk to youths, because the way they do it now is totally counter-productive, and it even pisses off the well-behaved kids.

[The Year Of The Fox]

This hasn't half been blown out of proportion to some extent. I don't know anyone who doesn't call a pikey a pikey for example.

[MooseBreath]

Or how about instead of all this whimsical "trying go understand" bollocks we just make sure we're there to catch them when they commit a crime and make sure we're ready to throw them in jail.

Infact that's exactly what the perfect youth commissioner would tell you - that these kids are going to respond a lot better to a real, tangible threat of serious punishment than they are to any patronising, horribly out of step efforts to understand and nanny them.

[1964FOX]

Well this is what you get when you allow somebody driven by politics elected into a position of power in the police force who can employ who they like on a whim without any selection process.

[Guest Bilo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdGM2dkAXhY

Her hair annoys me.

[Captain...]

Few things:

Do we even need police in Kent anyway?

How was she qualified to do this job?

Why did this PCC think she was the way to go? Classic horrendously out-of-touch Tories.

Saying the police should just talk to youths is simplistic, you have to understand that police are just an absolute no-go for youths who really are involved in unlawful activity. They are the biggest enemy. Even in my days as a teen, the red-tapey, schoolmaster approach of beat policemen used to piss me off to no end. In principle, I feel like a Youth Commissioner isn't a bad idea, but they should be a) 18-22 and (without wanting to be sexist) b) a guy.

Youths who commit crimes or anti-social behaviour are predominantly..... male. The type I can use as an example from personal experience would not have a serious conversation with a 17yo girl, who I'd wager does not properly understand or empathise with them at all. You need a male from a non-privileged background, who has recently grown out of their juvenile years to discuss issues with them in order to be thorough and non-patronising. I also feel a YC of this description is needed to properly advise the police on the streets on how to talk to youths, because the way they do it now is totally counter-productive, and it even pisses off the well-behaved kids.

Some valid points in there, but I disagree it has to be a male, and under privileged, it needs to be someone who represents all youths, which is impossible, or more than one person to represent all areas of society. There is just as much anti-social behaviour by young women as men, it is just a different sort of behaviour.

You are right the way some coppers talk to kids, well any member of society, is counter productive, and that is what needs to change, they don't need a youth commissioner, they need more young recruits from all backgrounds and they need to be utilised rather than just dropped in at the bottom, and told to make the tea and do the shitty stuff no body else wants.

Incidentally could you imagine many police officers taking Paris Brown seriously, being parachuted in at the top as the Police Commissioner's pet project, poorly thought out, badly executed and didn't even vet the candidate properly. If they hadn't paraded her around as specimen of virtue, it probably wouldn't have made any difference, they could have used her past as a bit of a hell raiser as justification for her selection, but as they didn't even know about it, just shows how out of touch they are with the modern world.

[Orkneyfox]

Three issues:

1. what is this job for?

2. What is it worth?

3. The dragging up of juvenile posts which are held against you in later life. My son and his mates indulge in all sorts of silly banter ( not racist that I've seen) on Facebook (other social media are available) which would look awful if held up and "analysed" by a Daily Mail journalist. I wouldn't like to be held accountable for everything I did or said 30 years ago and many postings on this forum if held up in the cold light of day or out of context would look pretty poor.

The EU is proposing a sort of "right to be forgotten" law where you can ask companies to delete historic comments, maybe that is the way forward?

[Captain...]

Or how about instead of all this whimsical "trying go understand" bollocks we just make sure we're there to catch them when they commit a crime and make sure we're ready to throw them in jail.

Infact that's exactly what the perfect youth commissioner would tell you - that these kids are going to respond a lot better to a real, tangible threat of serious punishment than they are to any patronising, horribly out of step efforts to understand and nanny them.

Would prefer to try and get to them before they commit a crime, but what do I know, I'm just a loony lefty, you are probably right the best thing to do is wait until they have committed a crime and then bang them up for life at considerable expense to the tax payer.

[Houdini Logic]

Or how about instead of all this whimsical "trying go understand" bollocks we just make sure we're there to catch them when they commit a crime and make sure we're ready to throw them in jail.

Ever thought that young people are often the victims as well as the criminals and maybe that's something the Police could take advice on?

One track mind

[Babylon]

I'll bet £100 what her first feedback will be... "The kids of today are fed up, they have nothing to do and that's why they cause trouble".

[Captain...]

Three issues:

1. what is this job for?

2. What is it worth?

3. The dragging up of juvenile posts which are held against you in later life. My son and his mates indulge in all sorts of silly banter ( not racist that I've seen) on Facebook (other social media are available) which would look awful if held up and "analysed" by a Daily Mail journalist. I wouldn't like to be held accountable for everything I did or said 30 years ago and many postings on this forum if held up in the cold light of day or out of context would look pretty poor.

The EU is proposing a sort of "right to be forgotten" law where you can ask companies to delete historic comments, maybe that is the way forward?

It was not 30 years ago, it was last year, if they had spent 5 minutes looking into her online presence and portrayed her as a reformed character with a troubled past then it would be no issue what so ever, but the fact they didn't just shows how ill thought out this idea was.

[1964FOX]

Most new police officers are young (although there aren't many due to funding cuts) they surely are the best people for each force to use to represent and communicate with other young people.

[Houdini Logic]

Most new police officers are young (although there aren't many due to funding cuts) they surely are the best people for each force to use to represent and communicate with other young people.

But they're simply enforcing policy, not making it

[MooseBreath]

Ever thought that young people are often the victims as well as the criminals and maybe that's something the Police could take advice on?

One track mind

You're writing coherently, yet somehow you fail to convey any meaning.

It's simple. It's about the threat of punishment. These kids are like dogs. They're not deep thinkers. All they need to know is that if they do something wrong, they'll suffer for it, and they won't do it.

You give them an inch by trying to "understand" them, and they'll laugh in your face before they take a mile, showing you exactly how little you've understood.

[1964FOX]

But they're simply enforcing policy, not making it

Yes but if such a role is required then a young police officer doing it as a specialist post would surely be better. Not all cops use there warranted powers and perform similar roles with an emphasis on assisting and engaging local communities so it's follows this well established practice could be transferred to a similar role with young people.

[ealingfox]

Or how about instead of all this whimsical "trying go understand" bollocks we just make sure we're there to catch them when they commit a crime and make sure we're ready to throw them in jail.

Infact that's exactly what the perfect youth commissioner would tell you - that these kids are going to respond a lot better to a real, tangible threat of serious punishment than they are to any patronising, horribly out of step efforts to understand and nanny them.

The prevention is better than the cure. But I do agree too many warnings and pre-prison measures are given these days, however that is a necessity because of prison populations.

Some valid points in there, but I disagree it has to be a male, and under privileged, it needs to be someone who represents all youths, which is impossible, or more than one person to represent all areas of society. There is just as much anti-social behaviour by young women as men, it is just a different sort of behaviour.

You are right the way some coppers talk to kids, well any member of society, is counter productive, and that is what needs to change, they don't need a youth commissioner, they need more young recruits from all backgrounds and they need to be utilised rather than just dropped in at the bottom, and told to make the tea and do the shitty stuff no body else wants.

Incidentally could you imagine many police officers taking Paris Brown seriously, being parachuted in at the top as the Police Commissioner's pet project, poorly thought out, badly executed and didn't even vet the candidate properly. If they hadn't paraded her around as specimen of virtue, it probably wouldn't have made any difference, they could have used her past as a bit of a hell raiser as justification for her selection, but as they didn't even know about it, just shows how out of touch they are with the modern world.

Fair point, but my thinking was that rather than represent all youths, which is as you say impossible, we need only to target the section which causes the most trouble, and the most immediate drain on police resources in this area - and that is surely under-privileged, 12-18yo males.

Agree also with the last part - horrible execution of the idea all over.

[leicsmac]

You're writing coherently, yet somehow you fail to convey any meaning.

It's simple. It's about the threat of punishment. These kids are like dogs. They're not deep thinkers. All they need to know is that if they do something wrong, they'll suffer for it, and they won't do it.

You give them an inch by trying to "understand" them, and they'll laugh in your face before they take a mile, showing you exactly how little you've understood.

Hang on Moose, first you're saying that these kids aren't that smart, then in the next sentence you say they'll deceive you, implying that they're actually pretty smart. Some clarification please?

As for the issue itself, as a public figure (especially in this day and age) your dirty laundry tends to get aired. Don't really agree with the concept either, if you want to understand young people you need much more input than just one person like this.

Authoritarian "lock 'em up" measures don't work either, for young'uns or older - take the US as an example. What's the crime/reoffending rate per capita over there? Mind you, that might be down to a different social ethos.

[Fox92]

£15k!!?... I should have applied.

[Houdini Logic]

You're writing coherently, yet somehow you fail to convey any meaning.

It's simple. It's about the threat of punishment. These kids are like dogs. They're not deep thinkers. All they need to know is that if they do something wrong, they'll suffer for it, and they won't do it.

You give them an inch by trying to "understand" them, and they'll laugh in your face before they take a mile, showing you exactly how little you've understood.

What I'm saying is how do you know the role is there to advise on what should happen to young people who commit crimes. How do you know the role isn't to express concerns from young victims of crime, which the Police just wouldn't understand otherwise?

[Captain...]

But they're simply enforcing policy, not making it

Why not empower them to get involved, rather than recruit a foul mouthed little scrot only a little bit younger to consult on the youth. If an entry level copper is made to feel like he is there to be listened to as well as to do the donkey work, there may be more interest in the role.

You're writing coherently, yet somehow you fail to convey any meaning.

It's simple. It's about the threat of punishment. These kids are like dogs. They're not deep thinkers. All they need to know is that if they do something wrong, they'll suffer for it, and they won't do it.

You give them an inch by trying to "understand" them, and they'll laugh in your face before they take a mile, showing you exactly how little you've understood.

Depends who you are trying to "understand", I would imagine Kent has a bigger problem with upper working class TOWIE wannabes going out and getting smashed and causing problems, than pikeys on the rob. Both will react differently to a harsh punishment or an attempt at compromise. There is more than just stopping criminals to the police's job, it is also about protecting victims. Recent cases have highlighted young girls being attacked and raped on the way home from a night out because bus drivers wouldn't let them on without the fare. A youth commissioner could be someone that looks into that and finds out where these danger spots are.

[Captain...]

The prevention is better than the cure. But I do agree too many warnings and pre-prison measures are given these days, however that is a necessity because of prison populations.

Fair point, but my thinking was that rather than represent all youths, which is as you say impossible, we need only to target the section which causes the most trouble, and the most immediate drain on police resources in this area - and that is surely under-privileged, 12-18yo males.

Agree also with the last part - horrible execution of the idea all over.

It depends on their role, if it is as a victim support crime prevention type role, then young women are more at risk so she is better qualified than a male.

[Saxondale]

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start.

Serves them right for trying to be needlessly cutting-edge, leftfield and trying to appease young scallies.

What sort of buffoon would think it's a good idea to pay some cretinous, scally slag £15k a year in a ridiculous 'we're down with the kids' gimmick?

[Orkneyfox]

It was not 30 years ago, it was last year, if they had spent 5 minutes looking into her online presence and portrayed her as a reformed character with a troubled past then it would be no issue what so ever, but the fact they didn't just shows how ill thought out this idea was.

Most of the sillier posts were 3 or 4 years ago when many are just spouting nonsense out of bravado. I don't know if this particular girl is right for the job, from the little I heard on the radio I wasn't over impressed, but my main point is about having some statute of limitation on youthful indiscretions. There is a parallel debate about whether employers should have the right to monitor your social media activity.