The Good News thread, local jobs, economy etc

[purpleronnie]

Last time labour were in power I had a seriously tough couple of years as there was basically no work anywhere. I've since worked hard to get myself into a position where I can up sticks and move away quite quickly. There's no way I'd stick around waiting for another economic disaster when I could just move. It's a contingency plan I'd have no hesitation in following through.

Seems strange you automatically think your job would be unsafe just because labour got in, overreacting I fear.  Although I remember looking for work in the early 90's under a tory government when unemployment was 3+ million that was tough.  Labour or Tory they're all much of a muchness neither will effect your life too much.

 

Any country is potentially unstable and it's not just because of who governs it as we saw with the world wide financial crisis, plus what happens if you move and a different party gets in...move again?  I hate to think your one of those potential expats who sneer back at the UK and try and justify their move at every opportunity yet come crawling back as soon as things go sour, I know people like that and they're dreadful people.

Edited 22 July 2014 by purpleronnie

[Guest MattP]

Ron, no Labour government has EVER left office with unemployment lower than when they came to office, people are very right to be concerned about things like that. Not saying I'd leave the country, but I'd be seriously considering my options as well given what the last lot did to everyone, even more so given the people who were running the economic side would be returning.

 

The financial crash was the best thing that ever happened to Labour, it gave them as excuse for the lavish overspending and bribery they engaged in. If they return to such polices again we all know there is only one way it ends, when people like Ken openly vote Labour who want to sit in the pub all day before retirement goading those who funds it you know you're on the right side of the fench not doing.

[Guest MattP]

You have a new generation of people as well than no longer see Labour as the working mans party and instead the party of the public sector and the shirkers, hence why they tried to import a new immigrant class to increase their vote.

 

Why would I want to live under such people?

[Buce]

Ah well...football is nearly hear to distract us....opium for the masses and all that....

Wouldn't you rather watch it?

[leicsmac]

I think the chance has gone now, it would have to take an absolute disaster from the Tories to overturn a 14pt deficit and then somehow manage to lose it again in the last 9 months in the run up to an election.

 

I'd be amazed if we didn't get a hung pariliament, I'm on a big price at 8/1 on the Tories to get more votes but Labour to get more seats, looking cracking value at the minute.

 

I honestly can't see any other result. Haven't been able to for some time. The Tories are too unpopular to get an overall majority but Miliband isn't good enough to take advantage of it.

 

I wonder how it'll all get sorted out?

 

As an aside, I agree that both Labour and Tories are pretty much a reflection of each other these days. And the political class is driven only by self-interest.

[purpleronnie]

Ron, no Labour government has EVER left office with unemployment lower than when they came to office,

 

The financial crash was the best thing that ever happened to Labour, it gave them as excuse for the lavish overspending and bribery they engaged in. If they return to such polices again we all know there is only one way it ends, when people like Ken openly vote Labour who want to sit in the pub all day before retirement goading those who funds it you know you're on the right side of the fench not doing.

I think your forgetting January1924 to October 1924.

 

You also have to look at conservative trends too for example  Thatcher-Major Conservative period in office unemployment increased from 1.4 million at the end of 1979 to over two million in 1997, and from a rate of 5.3% to 7.2% (LFS).

 

There has also been various legislative changes which have effected how unemployment statistics are reached.

So it seems odd that someone would make a huge life changing decision based purely on that.  Just seems odd.

Edited 22 July 2014 by purpleronnie

[Guest MattP]

I honestly can't see any other result. Haven't been able to for some time. The Tories are too unpopular to get an overall majority but Miliband isn't good enough to take advantage of it.

 

I wonder how it'll all get sorted out?

 

As an aside, I agree that both Labour and Tories are pretty much a reflection of each other these days. And the political class is driven only by self-interest.

 

Cameron played his cards last week shifting out any politician who was seen as deeply unpoular, it's impossible to see either of them getting 40%.

 

There could be a minor party somewhere getting a very very good deal next spring for a couple of seats. I'm a fan of PR as I do think it's real democracy and a lot fairer but fcuk me it doesn't half with politicians havinf to make themselves look ridiculous to cling onto power.

[Buce]

If Labour get in I'm emigrating.

They have my vote then.

[Guest MattP]

I think your forgetting January1924 to October 1924.

 

You also have to look at conservative trends too for example  Thatcher-Major Conservative period in office unemployment increased from 1.4 million at the end of 1979 to over two million in 1997, and from a rate of 5.3% to 7.2% (LFS).

 

There has also been various legislative changes which have effected how unemployment statistics are reached.

So it seems odd that someone would make a huge life changing decision based purely on that.  Just seems odd.

 

Maybe, but I certainly wouldn't want to live under another few years of what they brought to the table last time, it's not just economics with Labour either, they completely change areas and cities with immigration policy, you could have lived in a place that felt like home for 30 years and than see it turn into something that looks like a shanty town of Lahore if you are near a city centre by the time they have been on office.

 

Imagine sending your kids to your old school in Birmingham to see a load of Muslims chanting "Who is going to hell? The Homosexuals" in assembly with the teachers. A bit different.

Edited 22 July 2014 by MattP

[purpleronnie]

Maybe, but I certainly wouldn't want to live under another few years of what they brought to the table last time, it's not just economics with Labour either, they completely change areas and cities with immigration policy, you could have lived in a place that felt like home for 30 years and than see it turn into something that looks like a shanty town of Lahore if you are near a city centre by the time they have been on office.

 

Imagine sending your kids to your old school in Birmingham to see a load of Muslims chanting "Who is going to hell? The Homosexuals" in assembly with the teachers. A bit different.

I guess it depends on how its affected you, I doubt very much many have experienced much change, the shanty town reference is just an exaggeration, as for the muslims school comment again just silly matt.

[leicsmac]

Cameron played his cards last week shifting out any politician who was seen as deeply unpoular, it's impossible to see either of them getting 40%.

 

There could be a minor party somewhere getting a very very good deal next spring for a couple of seats. I'm a fan of PR as I do think it's real democracy and a lot fairer but fcuk me it doesn't half with politicians havinf to make themselves look ridiculous to cling onto power.

 

It's certainly possible that, but I think it might take an agreement with a few minor parties to get an overall majority this time round.

 

I wonder what the betting is on Labour and the Tories being within 15 seats of each other overall? 

 

I honestly think there's going to be an almighty argument regarding the electoral process come next May.

[Guest MattP]

I guess it depends on how its affected you, I doubt very much many have experienced much change, the shanty town reference is just an exaggeration, as for the muslims school comment again just silly matt.

 

Why is it? Have you not been reading the news about trojan horse? It's happening in Britain Ron in 2014, if that are that desperate not to be seen as Islamaphobic then you'll blindy ignore it then so be it and you have the consequences on your mind in 20 years.

 

You live out in the country and have a few quid so I doubt anything Labour did really affected you that much, a lot of people were put out of work who were desperate thanks to them though.

 

(as for the shanty town reference, you ever been to Small Heath?)

Edited 22 July 2014 by MattP

[Guest MattP]

It's certainly possible that, but I think it might take an agreement with a few minor parties to get an overall majority this time round.

 

I wonder what the betting is on Labour and the Tories being within 15 seats of each other overall? 

 

I honestly think there's going to be an almighty argument regarding the electoral process come next May.

 

Yeah it could be, it would be interesting if someone needed 2/3 and UKIP had them, I'd absolutely piss myself to see just what Ed Miliband would degrade himself to in front of the public to Nigel Farage to secure that Prime Minister position.

 

Hung parliament is odds on, I'd imagine being within 15 would be about 6/4 ish, I agree come next May, but they only have themselves to blame after everything they have done over the last few years from illegal wars to the expenses scandal, the public (or a lot of them at least) want something different.

 

Milband looks completely incapable of being in the top job and Cameron lets be honest is living off the hard work and successful policy of George Osbourne.

[purpleronnie]

Why is it? Have you not been reading the news about trojan horse? It's happening in Britain Ron in 2014, if that are that desperate not to be seen as Islamaphobic then you'll blindy ignore it then so be it and you have the consequences on your mind in 20 years.

 

You live out in the country and have a few quid so I doubt anything Labour did really affected you that much, a lot of people were put out of work who were desperate thanks to them though.

I absolutely have been reading it and I hope something will be done and I'm sure it will, but how on earth could you predict that happening  even with a tighter immigration policy it wouldn't rule it out other underlying problems like failings in the academy system perhaps?, but that said this is a small group but your suggesting this will be all over the country but nothing to back that up. 

 

I don't live out in the country matt my house backs onto a field but I live in a town (although lets face it most are only a hop and skip away from the country).  I'm sure some labour many lost their jobs and become poorer just like under conservative rule, it happens everywhere around the world no matter who is in charge. 

Edited 22 July 2014 by purpleronnie

[leicsmac]

Yeah it could be, it would be interesting if someone needed 2/3 and UKIP had them, I'd absolutely piss myself to see just what Ed Miliband would degrade himself to in front of the public to Nigel Farage to secure that Prime Minister position.

 

Hung parliament is odds on, I'd imagine being within 15 would be about 6/4 ish, I agree come next May, but they only have themselves to blame after everything they have done over the last few years from illegal wars to the expenses scandal, the public (or a lot of them at least) want something different.

 

Milband looks completely incapable of being in the top job and Cameron lets be honest is living off the hard work and successful policy of George Osbourne.

 

Agree with that, which is why (along with the probable backbiting and shady deals leading from a hung Parliament next time round) electoral reform to allow PR is going to be on the table.

[Guest MattP]

I absolutely have been reading it and I hope something will be done and I'm sure it will, but how on earth could you predict that happening  even with a tighter immigration policy it wouldn't rule it out other underlying problems like failings in the academy system perhaps?, but that said this is a small group but your suggesting this will be all over the country but nothing to back that up. 

 

Well if you have read and know its happening then why are you saying the comment is just silly?

 

How could you predict that? It's actually not that hard, Muslims are generally very socially conservative, of you didn't think that importing large numbers of Muslims would probably result in them wanting to teach their children in a traditional Islamic way then you clearly aren't thinking such things through enough. People don't just drop their own religion, beliefs and culture when they rock up to live in a different place.

 

I actually throw my support behind them, at least they know how they want their children educated and won't bow to the social engineering experiment our governments want to enforce on them getting them to all think the same way. If they want to see their kids taught that gays are going to hell, who are me, you or the state to tell them they can't?

 

Agree with that, which is why (along with the probable backbiting and shady deals leading from a hung Parliament next time round) electoral reform to allow PR is going to be on the table.

 

Still never going to happen though, Labour and the Tories just have too much to lose to ever support, you would be taking away bundles of seats from both parties, none of them would ever be able to secure a majority ever again.

 

Yeah we had a referendum on AV but they knew they already had that result in the bag, were their any chance the public were going to vote for it Clegg wouldn't have been offered and like a typical Lib Dem Clegg just didn't know the mood of the overall coutnry.

Edited 22 July 2014 by MattP

[leicsmac]

Well if you have read and know its happening then why are you saying the comment is just silly?

 

How could you predict that? It's actually not that hard, Muslims are generally very socially conservative, of you didn't think that importing large numbers of Muslims would probably result in them wanting to teach their children in a traditional Islamic way then you clearly aren't thinking such things through enough. People don't just drop their own religion, beliefs and culture when they rock up to live in a different place.

 

I actually throw my support behind them, at least they know how they want their children educated and won't bow to the social engineering experiment our governments want to enforce on them getting them to all think the same way. If they want to see their kids taught that gays are going to hell, who are me, you or the state to tell them they can't?

 

 

Still never going to happen though, Labour and the Tories just have too much to lose to ever support, you would be taking away bundles of seats from both parties, none of them would ever be able to secure a majority ever again.

 

Yeah we had a referendum on AV but they knew they already had that result in the bag, were their any chance the public were going to vote for it Clegg wouldn't have been offered and like a typical Lib Dem Clegg just didn't know the mood of the overall coutnry.

 

You'd think that, but how much time without a government as everyone scrambles to try to make deals with each other would it take for the country to become totally disillusioned with the idea of it happening again and clamour for the change?

[Guest MattP]

You'd think that, but how much time without a government as everyone scrambles to try to make deals with each other would it take for the country to become totally disillusioned with the idea of it happening again and clamour for the change?

 

I just can't ever see that happening, who would seriously support it from the main two parties? They would be signing their own death warrants.

 

The public could clamour for what they want, the parties couldn't care less. They know whatever happens the vast majority of people will still vote for them, they have taken us into wars, stole money off us and treated us with contempt at every opportunity and we still do.

 

Gordon Brown called one of his own voters a bigoted old woman and she still went out and voted for him.

Edited 22 July 2014 by MattP

[MooseBreath]

I guess it depends on how its affected you, I doubt very much many have experienced much change, the shanty town reference is just an exaggeration, as for the muslims school comment again just silly matt.

Totally disagree. I think many people will have felt the change from disastrous economy to one becoming prosperous again. I don't know how insulated your income is from changing economic conditions, but most people are quite vulnerable and I'm personally heavily affected by changing macroeconomic policy. I can pretty much make do with incompetence in other areas of the government, but I can't afford another clown in charge of the economy and I think many who narrowly survived the last wreck will feel the same way.

Edited 22 July 2014 by MooseBreath

[purpleronnie]

Maybe they'll learn from their mistakes moose, you never know, things might even improve?

 

Bottom line moose you'll be fine and your staying here with us, just like it should be.

[Webbo]

Maybe they'll learn from their mistakes moose, you never know, things might even improve?

 

Bottom line moose you'll be fine and your staying here with us, just like it should be.

They never have done yet.

[purpleronnie]

They never have done yet.

That's up for debate

 

But never say never.

[MooseBreath]

Maybe they'll learn from their mistakes moose, you never know, things might even improve?

Bottom line moose you'll be fine and your staying here with us, just like it should be.

If I stay here under another labour government it'll only be because ken has offered to put me up in one of the spare rooms they give him. Maybe that idea about people needing spare rooms is accurate after all, just so when the working population can't afford accommodation there's plenty of space in lavish welfare pads to house everybody.

[Rincewind]

If I stay here under another labour government it'll only be because ken has offered to put me up in one of the spare rooms they give him. Maybe that idea about people needing spare rooms is accurate after all, just so when the working population can't afford accommodation there's plenty of space in lavish welfare pads to house everybody.

I do not have or need a spare room. I have a living room, a kitchen a bathroom and one bedroom. I do not receive expenses if I was to have relatives over.

Would you say a disabled person who needs an overnight nurse carer may need a small room for the carer or should she share a bed with the disabled person?

Do you think a divorced man separated from his wife should share the same bed as his 12 year old daughter when she stops over as set down by access laws for divorced couples?

If there are no smaller properties available as revealed in disclosures under the Freedom of Information act by councils across the UK where do you suggest they go?

These are questions that were asked before the policies came into force as well as prediction correctly that in its present form it would be unworkable.

Are you actually saying Cameron and co are inhuman and incapable of making a mistake? I'd like to think that somewhere within them they are human an like the rest of us make and learn from mistakes.

But unfortunately being politicians they will never admit it in plain English.

Edited 22 July 2014 by Rincewind

[MooseBreath]

So you mean you won't let me stay in your welfare pad? This upsets me ken. Very much. And you say Cameron are inhuman? Take a look in the mirror, pal.