Thracian Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I'd still like someone to tell me whether McCarthy is, in your opinion, a better defender than Gerrbrand. If so I'd like to know what we gained by signed Gerrbrand instead of an attacker cos McCarthy was hardly the tower of strength I'd been led to believe he was. Secondly, if Gerrbrand is the better or more reliable defender, why was he not selected?. With a cool head at the back the result would surely have been better.
Fox 4 Life Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I totally agree, we spend alot of money on him and pursue him fro ages but he does not play, surely if McCarthy and Johansson are that great we shouldn't have needed another "first team" centre back, the money would have been better spent on a striker!
Louise Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 McCarthy I feel got the nod today as he's actually played for the club before and in this division (even if it was only for about 15 games), plus Gerrbrand looked a little unfit to me at the Inter game. I'm not sure when he'll be given a chance, it would seem a bit harsh to me to drop McCarthy after today as his performance for me was average, not bad. He's still got those touches of inexperience that can lead to mistakes though, and likes to grapple with players a bit too much.
Anish Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I would like to see Gerrbrand given a chance on Tuesday. McCarthy just never seems to learn - you cannot have your arms all over the striker's chest/neck when you jump for the ball. He gave away needless freekicks again today which we luckily got away with - but sooner or later the opposition will score from them. The defending for the 3rd/4th goals was also abysmal too, god know what the hell they were playing at.
Ricey Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 McCarthy looked a little bit nervy at times today, it is however the first time I've seen him like that. I would give Gerrbrand a chance against Stoke.
Louise Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 McCarthy just never seems to learn - you cannot have your arms all over the striker's chest/neck when you jump for the ball. He gave away needless freekicks again today which we luckily got away with - but sooner or later the opposition will score from them. 151304[/snapback] I agree that his handling of other players is very irritating but I will use the well worn excuse that he's young and will learn, he is only just 22 and this is only his first experience of playing for a long time in one league for one club, he's almost as raw as a player like Stearman I feel, in terms of experience. While I joke about it I do think he might have learnt some of his bad habits from Dabizas. His defending for the 4th goal was poor, but seeing as over half the team is very inexperienced I think we can expect a lot of panicing and silly decisions when we let in a goal this season. I would like to see Gerrbrand play again and get a better idea of what kind of player he is, but dropping McCarthy after one game isn't going to help his confidence or development as a player.
Jay Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I totally agree, we spend alot of money on him and pursue him fro ages but he does not play, surely if McCarthy and Johansson are that great we shouldn't have needed another "first team" centre back, the money would have been better spent on a striker! 151289[/snapback] of course you need more than 2 centre backs, what happens if one gets injured or suspended who would come into replace them? I don't think Dublin will play at centre back again and you need cover and different options and you can't do this with only two centre backs in your squad
Durnerz Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I think because Johansson is of such high quality Mccarthy gets overshadowed a bit and pointed out as the weak link although he didn't do a lot wrong today in my eyes. It is the first game of the season and its been a tough one but the key is to get a settled back line, if we keep chopping and changing every time one player has a bad game we'll get nowhere.
lush Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I'd still like someone to tell me whether McCarthy is, in your opinion, a better defender than Gerrbrand.If so I'd like to know what we gained by signed Gerrbrand instead of an attacker cos McCarthy was hardly the tower of strength I'd been led to believe he was. Secondly, if Gerrbrand is the better or more reliable defender, why was he not selected?. With a cool head at the back the result would surely have been better. 151283[/snapback] At the moment, macarthy is better because hes fitter and more experienced playing for city, and more importantly, hes not let us down. Ive said that come the right moment, i think CL will consider gerrbrand ahead of macarthy. That said, we only have 3 CB`s and for sure, there will be injuries and suspensions, so macarthy and gerrbrand will start at times. Thracian, your panacking old boy, its not what ive come to read from your posts.
lush Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I would like to see Gerrbrand play again and get a better idea of what kind of player he is, but dropping McCarthy after one game isn't going to help his confidence or development as a player. 151312[/snapback] Thats it, we all make mistakes, and dropping macarthy when perhaps gerrbrand isnt 100%, is silly.
lush Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I think because Johansson is of such high quality Mccarthy gets overshadowed a bit and pointed out as the weak link 151316[/snapback] Good point, and what did we think of dabizas after macarthy came here, that macarthy is good. So weve lifted the `bar` with gerrbrand and johanson at the back, thats a good thing right.
TornadoShaunUK Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I would like to see Gerrbrand in.. I didn't feel McCarthy was particularly good today..
Gené and Tonic Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 At least give Gerrbrand a chance. Put him in for the Stoke game and see what he can do.
Durnerz Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 At least give Gerrbrand a chance. Put him in for the Stoke game and see what he can do. 151333[/snapback] Why so soon? Mccarthys not had a nightmare today or anything if anyone should be talked about being changed around its the Goalkeeper! How are we going to get a settled back line if we keep chopping and changing all the time?
Gené and Tonic Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I suppose your right. But it seems odd not to play him after the transfer saga and all that.
Benji Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 GERRBRAND!! he doesn't need a chance to prove himself on tuesday, just play him and watch with amazement
Thracian Posted 6 August 2005 Author Posted 6 August 2005 I would like to see Gerrbrand given a chance on Tuesday. McCarthy just never seems to learn - you cannot have your arms all over the striker's chest/neck when you jump for the ball. He gave away needless freekicks again today which we luckily got away with - but sooner or later the opposition will score from them. The defending for the 3rd/4th goals was also abysmal too, god know what the hell they were playing at. 151304[/snapback] Sounds pretty convincing. The reason I ask these sort of questions is that I was sick last year and I'm already sick this year of people saying "It'll be alright when we get our best side out". You just can't give good teams a head start. I'm not sure Mickey Adams ever knew his best side and we never recovered from that until the point of his leaving and beyond, while Levein (understandably) had to learn who his best players were last season. This year, though is different. a) The manager sees the players every day and has God knows how much video reference so he SHOULD know his best available side. b) If he feels he hasn't had time to blend the team together whose fault is that?. If CL has left it too late to fill certain positions and the players arrive almost on kick-off day without knowing the crack then that's a problem created for himself by the manager. He knew the season would start on August 6 and it was precisely because I didn't think the team was ready that I forecast a Sheffield win. We have decided weaknesses: goalkeeper (not really anticipated except by some who knew him), left back (well known), centre-back (unexpected and possibly easy to remedy) left wing (well known) and centre-forward (well known). So three of our five problem positions have been apparent for months. That's why we had a bad start (not the referee) and that's why we will continue to stutter and be vulnerable until the injured/suspended/emergency new signings become available. You cannot win championships/promotions with 3-5 weaknesses every week. When you select a player you should be able to say to yourself: "He's a good player in that position. I have every faith in him". I shall be much happier when I feel exactly that about all our footballers. At the moment I don't.
Thracian Posted 6 August 2005 Author Posted 6 August 2005 At the moment, macarthy is better because hes fitter and more experienced playing for city, and more importantly, hes not let us down. Ive said that come the right moment, i think CL will consider gerrbrand ahead of macarthy. That said, we only have 3 CB`s and for sure, there will be injuries and suspensions, so macarthy and gerrbrand will start at times. Thracian, your panacking old boy, its not what ive come to read from your posts. 151318[/snapback] I don't do panic. I do sorting things before they get serious. If McCarthy's got technical/tactical weaknesses then the place to sort em is in the reserves, on the training ground and sometimes on the subs bench. You'd have to be a good player to get in my team, not a potentially good player. And 4 f.....g 1 doesn't win any plaudits in my book.
Thracian Posted 6 August 2005 Author Posted 6 August 2005 Thats it, we all make mistakes, and dropping macarthy when perhaps gerrbrand isnt 100%, is silly. 151324[/snapback] And why would Gerrbrand not be 100 per cent fit?
Thracian Posted 6 August 2005 Author Posted 6 August 2005 Why so soon? Mccarthys not had a nightmare today or anything if anyone should be talked about being changed around its the Goalkeeper! How are we going to get a settled back line if we keep chopping and changing all the time? 151334[/snapback] My feeling and that of others is that McCarthy still has "much to learn" and that Gerrbrand would presently improve the side. Douglas. No thanks. I was brought up on the likes of Banks and Shilton. To watch today's little effort made me wince.
Solihullfox Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 I don't think it will be too long before Gerrbrand is partnering Nissa at the heart of the defence. <_<
lush Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 a) The manager sees the players every day and has God knows how much video reference so he SHOULD know his best available side.b) If he feels he hasn't had time to blend the team together whose fault is that?. If CL has left it too late to fill certain positions and the players arrive almost on kick-off day without knowing the crack then that's a problem created for himself by the manager. He knew the season would start on August 6 and it was precisely because I didn't think the team was ready that I forecast a Sheffield win. You cannot win championships/promotions with 3-5 weaknesses every week. When you select a player you should be able to say to yourself: "He's a good player in that position. I have every faith in him". I shall be much happier when I feel exactly that about all our footballers. At the moment I don't. 151370[/snapback] a, he picked his best available side. b, whos fault is it then? almost on kick-off day, are you a journalist or something. Wheres the money to replace deep freeze? CL had to slash the wage bill to £4.5M. He spent some of his summer budget on MDV maybury and hughes, so his hands were tied. he then got rid of canero, and brought in elvis. If you can grow money Thracian, sell me a seed Possible future starting 11 (what i think CL is hoping to have): douglas maybury gerrbrand johanson gilbert sylla kisnorbo hughes tiatto connolly GOODstriker? subs: henderson macarthy stearman williams elvis/dubs/mdv Thats not f-in bad in this division mate. IF we can keep the level high, were in with a good chance!!
lush Posted 6 August 2005 Posted 6 August 2005 And why would Gerrbrand not be 100 per cent fit? 151376[/snapback] I dont necesarrily mean fitness, i mean all round game. LCFC/England/the championship etc etc is all new to him.
Thracian Posted 6 August 2005 Author Posted 6 August 2005 a, he picked his best available side.b, whos fault is it then? almost on kick-off day, are you a journalist or something. Wheres the money to replace deep freeze? CL had to slash the wage bill to £4.5M. He spent some of his summer budget on MDV maybury and hughes, so his hands were tied. he then got rid of canero, and brought in elvis. If you can grow money Thracian, sell me a seed Possible future starting 11 (what i think CL is hoping to have): douglas maybury gerrbrand johanson gilbert sylla kisnorbo hughes tiatto connolly GOODstriker? subs: henderson macarthy stearman williams elvis/dubs/mdv Thats not f-in bad in this division mate. IF we can keep the level high, were in with a good chance!! 151398[/snapback] a) If that's his best available side he'll have to change it because it's got too many already documented weaknesses. b) No comment. c) (MDV) You won't need much money to replace deep freeze (Chambers plays in the Academy set-up and before you laugh would he or would he not score more goals than MDV?). d) (Growing money). Provalis (can go down as well as up).
Thracian Posted 6 August 2005 Author Posted 6 August 2005 I dont necesarrily mean fitness, i mean all round game. LCFC/England/the championship etc etc is all new to him. 151402[/snapback] Okay. He's got til Tuesday,
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