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MooseBreath

Predict other posters reactions to the autumn statement

By MooseBreath, in General Chat

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Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Surprised at how many agree with my statement.

 

I'm at a works christmas party next weekend in town, I'll dedicate this one just for you.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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I live for the day Rincewind and MattP finally meet.

 

I'm sure it will be a very warm experience for him.

Alf Bentley

Alf Bentley

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Gordon employed an additional 1million people in the public sector did he not?  And oversaw massive inflation in public sector pay to the point where what used to be a case of lower salary but better pension turner into better salary and better pension.  Stupid.  You cant blame him for everything, and indeed to your other point, Thatcher's government should not have pocketed 75% of the proceeds of council house sales, they should have left a lot more with councils to fund house building.  Then again, councils could have funded more of their own had they not been busy expanding their remit to all kinds of services they never did before, and wasting cash on Green projects left right and centre.

 

Gordon is annoying and therefore draws the eye in terms of criticism.  He has was also Chancellor or PM for move of my adult life so far.

 

I don't want to get involved in yet another discussion of the record of Labour in government. Suffice to say that they certainly wasted some money on public sector pay (the deal for GPs, profusion of NHS administrators, consultants in civil service), but I wouldn't like to see the state of schools or the NHS if they hadn't injected the money they did. Front-line roles like teachers and nurses are important and deserve decent pay - and it'd be a struggle to recruit/retain decent staff without that.

 

The pensions time-bomb goes back much further than Brown, though. It was evident from the 80s, probably the 70s, that people were living longer and that long-term economic growth had slowed right down. Governments of every persuasion probably avoided the issue because they knew it would lose them votes.

 

Fair comment re. housing, though for a long time councils were actively banned from spending revenue from council house sales on building new housing stock - and there's been a steady decline in central govt funding of local govt, which is limited as to other sources of funding (e.g. council tax capping). Central government, Tory and Labour alike, has also failed to encourage the building/supply of sufficient affordable housing - maybe because they know that a big slice of the electorate (homeowners) actively likes to see house prices rising..

 

I must make a New Year's resolution to get involved in fewer of these circular political arguments, interesting as I find them! 

Rincewind

Rincewind

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I live for the day Rincewind and MattP finally meet.

There is a fans fixture coming up. I might go so I cou;d meet some of you in a pub.. Is it on the telly?

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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I must make a New Year's resolution to get involved in fewer of these circular political arguments, interesting as I find them! 

 

Hope not, one of the most interesting posters on here.

Zingari

Zingari

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TPH ;

 

Autumn statement is good for those that want to work 

I go to work , I work very hard . My parents went to work too . We've always worked and payed for what we buy . Unlike those that don't go to work.

 

Those that are unemployed don't work unlike me who works very very hard and always looking to work at doing other things.

I'm always bettering myself ( yes even me) so i can work in the future . I'm always looking how i can stay in work and not be out of work so i don't have to scrounge like a scrounger who doesn't work  

 

This autumn statement is very encouraging for those that work like me and bad for those idle scroungers that don't work because it encourages those that don't work to be more like me  who works hard for a living.

 

I off to do some work now because that's what i do 

 

 

 

 

just joking TPH  ;)

Zingari

Zingari

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It's pretty much spot on, although I'd try to express it less clumsily.

sorry i've been in the pub all day with all the other scroungers.

we all drank a toast to you for giving us your money though :thumbup:  

Alf Bentley

Alf Bentley

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Hope not, one of the most interesting posters on here.

 

Thanks for the flattery - appreciated!  lol

Just need a weekend off as I'm even starting to bore myself now...

Zingari

Zingari

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And I thank you for presumably spending it on a highly taxed product. The more money you give the scroungers, the more you get back.

spot on , everyone's a winner  :D

 

More drinks all round landlord and the generous hardworking taxpayer here will foot the bill !

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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I don't want to get involved in yet another discussion of the record of Labour in government. Suffice to say that they certainly wasted some money on public sector pay (the deal for GPs, profusion of NHS administrators, consultants in civil service), but I wouldn't like to see the state of schools or the NHS if they hadn't injected the money they did. Front-line roles like teachers and nurses are important and deserve decent pay - and it'd be a struggle to recruit/retain decent staff without that.

 

The pensions time-bomb goes back much further than Brown, though. It was evident from the 80s, probably the 70s, that people were living longer and that long-term economic growth had slowed right down. Governments of every persuasion probably avoided the issue because they knew it would lose them votes.

 

Fair comment re. housing, though for a long time councils were actively banned from spending revenue from council house sales on building new housing stock - and there's been a steady decline in central govt funding of local govt, which is limited as to other sources of funding (e.g. council tax capping). Central government, Tory and Labour alike, has also failed to encourage the building/supply of sufficient affordable housing - maybe because they know that a big slice of the electorate (homeowners) actively likes to see house prices rising..

 

I must make a New Year's resolution to get involved in fewer of these circular political arguments, interesting as I find them! 

 

All fair points.  Sadly politics always gets in the way of sensible policymaking in the end.

Rincewind

Rincewind

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All fair points.  Sadly politics always gets in the way of sensible policymaking in the end.

Politics is the art of preventing people from becoming involved in affairs that concern them. PAUL VALERY

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