Merging Cultures Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 Some people cannot use the internet for one reason or another (age, mental ability) and a lot of jobs require internet applications. There should be give and take and a little understanding. Once a warning the next time maybe a sanction but a given time so the person can prepare. Of course. I've not been to a job centre, do they have computers there and people to help?
Rincewind Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 No computers but machines to job search. Not every one is computer litter ate though.
Merging Cultures Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 No computers but machines to job search. Not every one is computer litter ate though. As I trash can see If the machines are not computers what are they? Are they purely limited to the job database with no means of applying for the job?
Rincewind Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 List of jobs available if not taken with contact details. Tel or website some needing com access to apply.
DennisNedry Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 As I trash can see If the machines are not computers what are they? Are they purely limited to the job database with no means of applying for the job? You can search as you would on any job website. You can't apply directly on them but it gives you the contact details you need.
Merging Cultures Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 You can search as you would on any job website. You can't apply directly on them but it gives you the contact details you need. Interesting. I would assume that the Job Centre has your details and cv on file, you would be able to log into these machines and simply click apply... like you would any job website... It seems very inefficient to have the jobs on the computer then for you to have to print off the contact details. Then again from what everyone has said on here, logic and efficiency do not seem to run hand in hand at the Job Centre.
Guest MattP Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 From The Birmingham Mail: Benefits Street star White Dee has announced she is to stand for Parliament. Deirdre Kelly, known in the controversial documentary as White Dee, plans to stand as an independent candidate in her home constituency of Birmingham Ladywood. And she announced her political ambitions with a blast at the Government - for giving too many benefits to the unemployed. lol Absolutely brilliant. Who is she kidding? She should be trying to attract the Rincewinds of the World to vote for her who believe a person should be entitled to a bankers wage even if they don't want to do anything or contribute anything, she'll lose her deposit if she genuinely goes down this route. What next? George Galloway standing for Yisreal Bintienu? I wonder how many people because of the sanctioning have given up on JSA and work cash in hand. Let's hope so, even if they are below the radar it would show something about a person if they went out and did some work for money rather than relying on handouts, even better option would be if they gave up on sanctioning and actually found a job where they paid tax as well. If they are capable of finding a job "cash in hand" then you would hope a manual labour job shouldn't be too out of reach. You don't even need to apply for jobs every week to get JSA. I was on it for 6 months in early 2012, and basically I had to fill in a form to show 3 things I had done to look for work that week. Because I was living with my parents and had no money worries and I was enjoying all the free time I suddenly had, I didn't really intend to get a job. So on occasion I'd just scribble 3 made up things in the booklet in the morning. 1: Read Leicester mercury Wednesday job edition 2. Searched jobsite.co.uk 3. Dropped CV in to *insert shop here* Jobs a goodun. I could only stand feeling like a parasite for so long though, the guilt got to me eventually Those 6 months were happy times though! Shocking it was that easy but it really didn't surprise me. If Labout get back in again in 2015 early 1016 I'm going to walk down and see what I could be entitled to. I did the same my last 9-12 months. What I meant is now from what i have heard they can sanction you for the slightest thing. Hearing a lot of this recently, is there anyone out there who still denies the last government didn't care who or what they were paying on this despite whether they were looking for work or not? It's so obvious it's untrue with the amount of people moaning now who never seemed to have any problem before.
Rincewind Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 They are often out of date as well. The staff cannot see you searching and they have the same details as you. The details are not the complete picture so extra inquiries are needed.
Guest MattP Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 They are often out of date as well. The staff cannot see you searching and they have the same details as you. The details are not the complete picture so extra inquiries are needed. What are?
Merging Cultures Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 They are often out of date as well. The staff cannot see you searching and they have the same details as you. The details are not the complete picture so extra inquiries are needed. What are? I'm guessing the jobs in the jobs database, and probably the persons details??
Guest MattP Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 I'm guessing the jobs in the jobs database, and probably the persons details?? That was my first thought but I can't believe that to be the case. Surely they enter the closing date and then it's comes off the system on that date, otherwise you would have thousands and thousands of jobs just sat on the database forever, no way would they be employing loads of people to manually wipe them off.
MooseBreath Posted 13 February 2014 Author Posted 13 February 2014 https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/JobSearch/PowerSearch.aspx?rad=2&rad_units=miles&pp=25&sort=rv.dt.di&vw=b&re=3&setype=2&tjt=&where=Leicester&q=&tm=0 There's over 300 jobs posted today alone for just the inner leicester area. All complete with easy application procedures. So many jobs. So many many jobs.
Merging Cultures Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 I'm guessing the jobs in the jobs database, and probably the persons details?? That was my first thought but I can't believe that to be the case. Surely they enter the closing date and then it's comes off the system on that date, otherwise you would have thousands and thousands of jobs just sat on the database forever, no way would they be employing loads of people to manually wipe them off. That's what I would assume too. Only thing I can think of is the companies found an exceptional candidate and closed the position early. I've done it before. Found the guy I wanted and hired him. But I'm sure most companies stick to HR protocol of keeping the ad up for x weeks and interviewing 3-5 candidates.
Guest MattP Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 That's what I would assume too. Only thing I can think of is the companies found an exceptional candidate and closed the position early. I've done it before. Found the guy I wanted and hired him. But I'm sure most companies stick to HR protocol of keeping the ad up for x weeks and interviewing 3-5 candidates. That's possible, but would be a rare occurance. In reality it's probably an excuse they have heard from someone who also heard it and so on, then we end with it being one of the usual lines alongside the other littany of excuses that a lot of these jobseekers use to claim that their benefits were stopped unfairly.
pSinatra Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 https://jobsearch.direct.gov.uk/JobSearch/PowerSearch.aspx?rad=2&rad_units=miles&pp=25&sort=rv.dt.di&vw=b&re=3&setype=2&tjt=&where=Leicester&q=&tm=0 There's over 300 jobs posted today alone for just the inner leicester area. All complete with easy application procedures. So many jobs. So many many jobs. Let's hope there's only 300 people claiming JSA in the inner Leicester area
MooseBreath Posted 13 February 2014 Author Posted 13 February 2014 Let's hope there's only 300 people claiming JSA in the inner Leicester area 300 jobs posted today alone, presumably around the same amount every other day. There are thousands of jobs on there for that one very small area.
pSinatra Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 300 jobs posted today alone, presumably around the same amount every other day. There are thousands of jobs on there for that one very small area. I quickly skimmed the first three pages & didn't spot one job that a 'White Dee' could apply for. All the jobs listed would require at least some experience or considerable qualifications. I'm not saying there aren't jobs out there & that there isn't any work-shy. Fortunately, I have enough experience & qualifications that I would be able to find something quite easily without ever needing to venture onto that website. Not everyone is that lucky.
Rincewind Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 That is what I found. Drivers are OK. Anyone with a qualification. As the law is they cannot give preferences regarding gender or age. That comes after application but can be obvious with the type of job,
The Year Of The Fox Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 Shop 'em, they are much worse than White Dee or Fungi, they are actually stealing from the tax payers, collecting benefits and not paying tax despite still working and earning a fair amount. Easy enough for me to say, I don't know them, but they are criminals and stealing your money. That's a bit harsh even if correct when people openly admit the JSA isn't enough to live on?
MooseBreath Posted 13 February 2014 Author Posted 13 February 2014 There's nothing lucky about having qualifications. They're available to anyone who's willing to put in a bit of effort to get them. I browsed through a few pages and there are plenty of unskilled and entrt level positions on there as well.
Rincewind Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 Hang nine innocent because the tenth could be guilty.
pSinatra Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 I consider myself lucky to be where I am. I've never had a privileged life, but I have had a stable & supportive upbringing. I dossed around at school (when I went), but managed to leave school with good qualifications. Got myself a degree somehow, with very little effort. A chance opportunity (friend of my sister), I got into the career I'm in now. That company paid for all my qualifications & gave me the necessary experience I needed. I then stuck two fingers up to them & went self-employed. I work my spuds off every day - weekends, bank holidays, some ridiculous hours. I haven't been handed my life on a plate......but I have been lucky. It's been said on here a few times (to Lamby mainly), that it's easier to find work when you're working. I've worked for several companies & I would say that the majority of people recruited have been internally, through friends of friends or good old-fashioned nepotism.......not from adverts placed on a government job search website. I don't know if it's a universal requirement, but having worked with the council - all jobs had to be advertised externally, when there realistically was no job available. I think it's difficult to get back on the wagon, once you fall off. Add to that the constant criticism from everyone & the general opinion that you're nothing but a scrounger. The battle with the job centre to claim something you need in order to feed & house yourself. Your health suffers, you have no social life & absolutely fook all to look forward to It's not a lifestyle I would choose for myself.......as is the case for the vast majority of people. Who here would give White Dee, Fungi (or their equivalents) a job? I know I wouldn't. When there's so many people applying for every job.......the shit will always sink to the bottom.
DennisNedry Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 People are sanctioned and have their benefits stopped on technicalities or stitch-ups. See post no. 1226 re. my nephew being sanctioned because he'd been unable to log in to post job search info, even though he'd been applying for jobs and had taken printed evidence to the Job Centre. See post no. 1246 re. my mate who was sanctioned despite applying for other jobs, because he didn't apply for a completely unsuitable job suggested by the Job Centre. See Webbo's post no. 1252 re. his wife being banned from applying for 6 months because she said she'd travel 10 miles to work, unaware that the acceptable response was 15 miles... If my nephew (still sanctioned now and wasting time fighting the Job Centre, when he just wants to find work) didn't have my elderly parents to provide some cash, he'd have been evicted, sleeping on people's sofas and eating from food banks. If my mate hadn't got his MP to challenge the way he was stitched up, he'd have been evicted, too. Webbo's wife clearly only found work through her own endeavours/contacts; the Job Centre stitched her up. Sounds like requirements have been toughened up greatly since 2012. Just post your full personal details, though, Denis. Someone will gladly pass them on to the benefit fraud people so that they can arrange for you to repay those 6 months of benefits that you thieved from the taxpayer, you fraudulent scumbag! Don't worry, I've paid it all back in taxes since I've been working
Rincewind Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 I consider myself lucky to be where I am. I've never had a privileged life, but I have had a stable & supportive upbringing. I dossed around at school (when I went), but managed to leave school with good qualifications. Got myself a degree somehow, with very little effort. A chance opportunity (friend of my sister), I got into the career I'm in now. That company paid for all my qualifications & gave me the necessary experience I needed. I then stuck two fingers up to them & went self-employed. I work my spuds off every day - weekends, bank holidays, some ridiculous hours. I haven't been handed my life on a plate......but I have been lucky. It's been said on here a few times (to Lamby mainly), that it's easier to find work when you're working. I've worked for several companies & I would say that the majority of people recruited have been internally, through friends of friends or good old-fashioned nepotism.......not from adverts placed on a government job search website. I don't know if it's a universal requirement, but having worked with the council - all jobs had to be advertised externally, when there realistically was no job available. I think it's difficult to get back on the wagon, once you fall off. Add to that the constant criticism from everyone & the general opinion that you're nothing but a scrounger. The battle with the job centre to claim something you need in order to feed & house yourself. Your health suffers, you have no social life & absolutely fook all to look forward to It's not a lifestyle I would choose for myself.......as is the case for the vast majority of people. Who here would give White Dee, Fungi (or their equivalents) a job? I know I wouldn't. When there's so many people applying for every job.......the shit will always sink to the bottom. About right there. In a way I was lucky I was approaching 60 when I became unemployed. It gave me another option. An easy way out if you like of PC. But if I had found a job I would have grabbed it. If I was 10 years younger I would have been more hopeful and more determined. I even applied to be a care worker. One job I would have liked but failed at the interview was a coningsour (sp) at a housing block near the station. It was weekends and only 20 hours but felt that I could do it. The job came up again a few months later but I received no reply. After that it was a matter of time.
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