Rincewind Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 Concierge?? yes. My spell checker never corrected me. Should have said doorman/caretaker.
Guest MattP Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 Concierge? Doorman or caretaker? Not jobs I can imagine you in.
absolutelegend Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Qualifications and experience are down to luck? Here's me thinking hard work and sacrifice. if id have known that id have stayed at home waiting for the day when my cv gets an unexpected overhaul and somebody offers my dream job.
absolutelegend Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 White dee is lucky that she has lots of time on her hands to learn new skills and apply for new jobs.
leicsmac Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Qualifications and experience are down to luck? Here's me thinking hard work and sacrifice. if id have known that id have stayed at home waiting for the day when my cv gets an unexpected overhaul and somebody offers my dream job. Qualifications and experience are hard graft, but them actually paying off in the form of a job you enjoy/pays well is often down to luck/knowing the right people/being in the right place at the right time. If hard work automatically equalled life success, the world would be very very different to what it is now.
ozleicester Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 There's nothing lucky about having qualifications. They're available to anyone who's willing to put in a bit of effort to get them. I browsed through a few pages and there are plenty of unskilled and entrt level positions on there as well. I consider myself lucky to be where I am. I've never had a privileged life, but I have had a stable & supportive upbringing. I dossed around at school (when I went), but managed to leave school with good qualifications. Got myself a degree somehow, with very little effort. A chance opportunity (friend of my sister), I got into the career I'm in now. That company paid for all my qualifications & gave me the necessary experience I needed. I then stuck two fingers up to them & went self-employed. I work my spuds off every day - weekends, bank holidays, some ridiculous hours. I haven't been handed my life on a plate......but I have been lucky. It's been said on here a few times (to Lamby mainly), that it's easier to find work when you're working. I've worked for several companies & I would say that the majority of people recruited have been internally, through friends of friends or good old-fashioned nepotism.......not from adverts placed on a government job search website. I don't know if it's a universal requirement, but having worked with the council - all jobs had to be advertised externally, when there realistically was no job available. I think it's difficult to get back on the wagon, once you fall off. Add to that the constant criticism from everyone & the general opinion that you're nothing but a scrounger. The battle with the job centre to claim something you need in order to feed & house yourself. Your health suffers, you have no social life & absolutely fook all to look forward to It's not a lifestyle I would choose for myself.......as is the case for the vast majority of people. Who here would give White Dee, Fungi (or their equivalents) a job? I know I wouldn't. When there's so many people applying for every job.......the shit will always sink to the bottom. Qualifications and experience are down to luck? Here's me thinking hard work and sacrifice. if id have known that id have stayed at home waiting for the day when my cv gets an unexpected overhaul and somebody offers my dream job. Qualifications and experience are hard graft, but them actually paying off in the form of a job you enjoy/pays well is often down to luck/knowing the right people/being in the right place at the right time. If hard work automatically equalled life success, the world would be very very different to what it is now. Of course its luck, you dont determine where you are born, to whom and what you will be provided with from birth, those born to drug addicts or in countries at war or in the grip of drought or starvation are not as lucky as you and will find it rather more dificult to gain the GCSE's Sure you may have done well with what you were given. But your damn lucky where you were born.
Buce Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Concierge? Doorman or caretaker? Not jobs I can imagine you in. I knew a BNP supporter who went for a job interview: They asked him to fill-in a questionaire, so he went outside and beat-up the doorman.. I'll get me coat...
Alf Bentley Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 I knew a BNP supporter who went for a job interview: They asked him to fill-in a questionaire, so he went outside and beat-up the doorman.. I'll get me coat... Shouldn't the doorman have done that for you? Oh, no, that's the cloakroom attendant...
Rincewind Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 MattP, on 13 Feb 2014 - 11:27 PM, said: Concierge? Doorman or caretaker?Not jobs I can imagine you in. i have done security and it would be sitting in an office handing out keys to residents and calming them down when they had complaints.
MooseBreath Posted 14 February 2014 Author Posted 14 February 2014 Of course its luck, you dont determine where you are born, to whom and what you will be provided with from birth, those born to drug addicts or in countries at war or in the grip of drought or starvation are not as lucky as you and will find it rather more dificult to gain the GCSE's Sure you may have done well with what you were given. But your damn lucky where you were born. http://www.deanfetzer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/life_brian_dungeon./img] Well exactly. The likes of white dee and pungi were born in Britain, a land of opportunity where gaining qualifications is often as easy as just turning up every now and again, and where serious qualifications are simply a matter of hard work. And yet despite being engulfed in opportunity, they have contrived to equip themselves with no employable skills whatsoever. Which is all the more reason for holding them in contempt.
MooseBreath Posted 14 February 2014 Author Posted 14 February 2014 Qualifications and experience are hard graft, but them actually paying off in the form of a job you enjoy/pays well is often down to luck/knowing the right people/being in the right place at the right time. If hard work automatically equalled life success, the world would be very very different to what it is now. You only see it that way because you studied a subject where there's about a thousand graduates for every job. That you've struggled is perfectly logical. It isn't the same in every sector.
leicsmac Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 You only see it that way because you studied a subject where there's about a thousand graduates for every job. That you've struggled is perfectly logical. It isn't the same in every sector. Hence my movement sideways into teaching and engineering. One thing I think we both agree on is that you do need to keep adding to your skill set. Which professional sectors are there where jobs available outstrip applicants right now then? Construction? Finance? I do think that landing more than a standard professional job takes more than hard work though. It's knowing and talking to the right person, in the right way, at the right time. That ties in to what I said before...hard work is important for success and you can put yourself out there as much add you like, but to advance you need the right circumstances that are often come down to luck or all that hard work just means you'll be doing the same job well for the rest of your natural.
Guest MattP Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Qualifications and experience are hard graft, but them actually paying off in the form of a job you enjoy/pays well is often down to luck/knowing the right people/being in the right place at the right time. If hard work automatically equalled life success, the world would be very very different to what it is now. And the harder you work the luckier you'll get.
leicsmac Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 And the harder you work the luckier you'll get. Yup, it'll boost your chances (like by networking and pounding the pavement as much as possible) but it's still going to come down to whether or not some guy or lady in a suit likes the way you talk and gets along you. Unless you go self employed, of course, which does give you a fair bit more control. But a for instance: take the guy who works 10 hours a day for 20 years, puts away a tidy bit for early retirement and then drops dead of a heart attack two days before his retirement day? Where was his success in life, and his enjoyment? Look, I'm not saying people shouldn't apply themselves and work hard to better themselves. I'm saying that regardless of how hard you work sometimes things you have no control over happen which means you will not be successful.
Rincewind Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Where I worked there was a bloke who started off as a packer, worked his way up to manager anyway he could then dropped dead one lunch time whilst rushing back to work. 60 years old. May not be a nice word to some but he grovelled his way up. Listened into the shop floor workers conversations then told the management of anything about them. Hung around them, went to a local coffee shop with them. It helped him in promotions but I could never be like that.
Dr The Singh Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Oh not this again. What, What, What's happened, you got a STD again ADK???
Rincewind Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Think its me again. We can't all be the same. Good luck to those that work their way up. Hope they have long lives to reap the awards. Another mate people said he would be the richest bloke in the graveyard. He is. Aged 65. About three years ago now he died. Used to be a fit bloke. Exercised every morning.
Alf Bentley Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Think its me again. We can't all be the same. Good luck to those that work their way up. Hope they have long lives to reap the awards. Another mate people said he would be the richest bloke in the graveyard. He is. Aged 65. About three years ago now he died. Used to be a fit bloke. Exercised every morning. I'm getting that fine song "Enjoy yourself (it's later than you think)" by the Specials in my brain just now...
Guest MattP Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 Yup, it'll boost your chances (like by networking and pounding the pavement as much as possible) but it's still going to come down to whether or not some guy or lady in a suit likes the way you talk and gets along you. Unless you go self employed, of course, which does give you a fair bit more control. But a for instance: take the guy who works 10 hours a day for 20 years, puts away a tidy bit for early retirement and then drops dead of a heart attack two days before his retirement day? Where was his success in life, and his enjoyment? Look, I'm not saying people shouldn't apply themselves and work hard to better themselves. I'm saying that regardless of how hard you work sometimes things you have no control over happen which means you will not be successful. Of course, but if you take that attitude it's a hundred times more likely you will end up like a white dee or a fungi with no qualifications and nothing to look forward to in life. The guy who worked 10 hours a day for 20 years caught some misfortune but if he has anybody he leaves them a lovely package behind, his success in life still comes from the job he did and he was clearly good at it if they wanted him for 20 years for nearly half a day, I'm sure he had enough enjoy for decent holidays and for a some luxeries in life. Some people will get unlucky, but do everything you can to make yourself lucky. I dont want to be hearing people in ten years time when asked why they haven't got any qualifications saying "whats the point, could be dead just before retiring" - although judging by the last handful of posts it appears to already be starting.
ADK Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 What, What, What's happened, you got a STD again ADK??? No not that, It's Rincewind talking about the guy who died from overworking as if that was the clear cut sole cause of his death. Sorry Rincewind, I don't know why it annoyed me, probably because there were some interesting points being made and I could see it degenerating into a pretty shallow argument about whether hard work = better career.
Guest Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 That was my first thought but I can't believe that to be the case. Surely they enter the closing date and then it's comes off the system on that date, otherwise you would have thousands and thousands of jobs just sat on the database forever, no way would they be employing loads of people to manually wipe them off. I believe "public" sector jobs have to be posted but most of them are already promised to insiders
Guest MattP Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 I believe "public" sector jobs have to be posted but most of them are already promised to insiders That may be the case but I fail to see why that means it would be on the system after the closing date?
Guest Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 All this talk about a minimum wage is a red herring. The minimum wage doesn't exist. You really think immigrants, work gangs, student workers and many others get "minimum" wage? What we should look at is a maximum wage, a salary cap for both employees and employers.
Webbo Posted 14 February 2014 Posted 14 February 2014 All this talk about a minimum wage is a red herring. The minimum wage doesn't exist. You really think immigrants, work gangs, student workers and many others get "minimum" wage? What we should look at is a maximum wage, a salary cap for both employees and employers. Not only is that ,imo, immoral , it would also mean that all the best talent would leave the country.
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