Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 That's really not true mate! Whilst I may agree with you on food banks, that is a load of shit. In Swansea for example we have dozens of homeless people, the council has no accommodation for them other than 1 emergency bed which is set up each night in a laundry room. So they aren't tossed out on the street then? It's a good point though and shows just how ridiculous the opposition is to the bedroom tax, people shunted into laundry rooms while single people live in multi room homes paid for by the tax payer. What a mess.
Rincewind Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 So they aren't tossed out on the street then? It's a good point though and shows just how ridiculous the opposition is to the bedroom tax, people shunted into laundry rooms while single people live in multi room homes paid for by the tax payer. What a mess. or even multiple homes.
MooseBreath Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 The food is donated and run by volunteers who give up their spare time to help.A lot of them do not just give out food. They also provide essentials such as toiletries and also offer financial advice or places to go for help. The trussel trust run all the foodbanks, they openly admit to paying £60k salaries, plus expenses, plus there are rumours of several one-man 'companies' getting lucrative contracts from the trussel trust for nothing. People can get vouchers from all sorts of places now. You offer someone something for free and they'll take it. The trussel trust hypes the usage figures to try and show there is a genuine need, which leads to more money coming in for them of which they siphon off a big chunk for themselves. More free food gets offered out, usage increases again and so the cycle continues. Some people have made some serious money out of all this for sure.
Guest MattP Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 or even multiple homes. People get multiple homes paid for by the taxpayer?
RobHawk Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 So they aren't tossed out on the street then? It's a good point though and shows just how ridiculous the opposition is to the bedroom tax, people shunted into laundry rooms while single people live in multi room homes paid for by the tax payer. What a mess. Well they are left on the street as that's one bed for dozens of homeless people. The tend to take it in turns to give them some rest bite from the streets. My point about the laundry room was that they don't even get a proper room but a make shift with a bunch of washing machines. Applications for a proper place to live can take years to go through as they are often lowest priority. Only chance they get is by developing a serious illness which bumps them up towards the top of the list.
Rincewind Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 People get multiple homes paid for by the taxpayer? http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/bedroom-tax-mps-claim-child-housing-subsidy/6528260.article
MooseBreath Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 That's really not true mate! Whilst I may agree with you on food banks, that is a load of shit. In Swansea for example we have dozens of homeless people, the council has no accommodation for them other than 1 emergency bed which is set up each night in a laundry room. Of course not every homeless person gets housed immediately but there is nothing stopping anyone who has a legal right to be in the uk from getting housing benefit. Also isn't swansea something of a mecca for homeless people in the uk? Yet you only have dozens of homeless, along with no doubt hundreds of people taking a wage for pretending to help them.
Strokes Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Well they are left on the street as that's one bed for dozens of homeless people. The tend to take it in turns to give them some rest bite from the streets. My point about the laundry room was that they don't even get a proper room but a make shift with a bunch of washing machines. Applications for a proper place to live can take years to go through as they are often lowest priority. Only chance they get is by developing a serious illness which bumps them up towards the top of the list. Havent they heard of bunk beds, they could double capacity.
MooseBreath Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Do you know the criteria for getting a house? which group has priority? Generation rental: the housing crisis facing today’s youth Posted on March 20, 2014 By Jenn Ashworth published in The Observer: For many young people the possibility of owning their own home is a distant dream. Instead they are trapped in a cycle of short-term lets in sub-standard housing. In a heartfelt plea, Jenn Ashworth calls for change See the article by clicking on the link here: You realise that you are part of this problem don't you ken? People like you who get one bed apartments paidfor by the tax payer reduce the supply of suitable accommodation for young hard working people, pricing them out of the market. You should all be in shared houses and then people who work hard and deserve to be able to get onto the property ladder would be able to do so.
MooseBreath Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Pretending? Well if there's only 15 homeless people and 500 people claiming to be helping them, then what else are they doing but pretending?
RobHawk Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Of course not every homeless person gets housed immediately but there is nothing stopping anyone who has a legal right to be in the uk from getting housing benefit. Also isn't swansea something of a mecca for homeless people in the uk? Yet you only have dozens of homeless, along with no doubt hundreds of people taking a wage for pretending to help them. Well I never said how many dozen did I? I don't personally work directly with the homeless in Swansea but have volunteered a little. Sure some people get a wage from it but no different to anywhere else in the country. You are correct with what you say about HB though, trouble is affording the deposit that is usually required. I have seen homeless people save their jsa to cover a deposit so they can get off the streets but that still takes months. I've known a few people get off the streets by finding property's where no deposit is required. We are talking proper dives though, often with no gas or elec, but better than being on the streets.
RobHawk Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Havent they heard of bunk beds, they could double capacity. Trust me when I tell you there isn't room, it's not a proper bed and is just set up each evening.
MooseBreath Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 I rent a one bedroom flat. The tax payer pays for your unnecessarily large accommodation, ken. Everybody knows that.
Rincewind Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 a little light reading for you Moose to while away the night hours. http://www.lankellychase.org.uk/assets/0000/1508/IPPR_Report.pdf
MooseBreath Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 a little light reading for you Moose to while away the night hours. http://www.lankellychase.org.uk/assets/0000/1508/IPPR_Report.pdf Well that's professionally done at least. I've had a quick scan through the executive summary but unfortunately it doesn't address my main reason for skepticism - that I don't believe these problems exist on a large enough scale for any change to be necessary, and I believe barely any of those kind of problems exist that can't be fixed by a combination of the current welfare system, access to education (which is abundant in the uk) and a good healthy dose of personal responsibility (sadly not so abundant).
DennisNedry Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Look who is included first on the list http://www.lankellychase.org.uk/news_events/460_lankellychase_digital_empowerment_awards_shortlist_announced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19247116 More than 100 volunteers have helped feed the homeless in Lancashire during an event at the Flag Market in Preston. It was organised by the city's Muslim community, who are fasting this month for Ramadan and cannot eat from dawn until dusk. More than 40 homeless people were fed and the leftover food was given to homeless shelters. Volunteer Safiya Hussain said the community spirit was "absolutely lovely". Good to see examples where multiculturalism does work.
Voll Blau Posted 20 March 2014 Posted 20 March 2014 Good to see examples where multiculturalism does work. Yeah, I've heard they still have these things called "pubs" in Preston too! Whatever they are...
J.Lisemore Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Well they are left on the street as that's one bed for dozens of homeless people. The tend to take it in turns to give them some rest bite from the streets. My point about the laundry room was that they don't even get a proper room but a make shift with a bunch of washing machines. Applications for a proper place to live can take years to go through as they are often lowest priority. Only chance they get is by developing a serious illness which bumps them up towards the top of the list. Its almost a drunken story that you'd tell your mates about in the morning, its sad that this is the reality of a lot of people's lives. Personally, not sure what I'd do with the homeless situation, probably set up a hammock using a bedsheet or something. As for the food banks, its inevitable that people will take advantage of the system, but if it helps out the genuine people in desperate need, then brilliant.
Danno Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Was watching that Famous and hungry programme the other night where celebs go and stay with families in poverty, an absolute joke that people have the latest iPhones, Sky Subscriptions, and laptops yet still have to visit food banks.
Guest MattP Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/bedroom-tax-mps-claim-child-housing-subsidy/6528260.article Not remotly relevant to the question I asked but thanks anyway, I believe claiming that is wrong as well btw. I don't see the connection to taxpayer funded homes though compared to the homeless. I rent a one bedroom flat. Behave!! You don't rent anything. Its almost a drunken story that you'd tell your mates about in the morning, its sad that this is the reality of a lot of people's lives. Personally, not sure what I'd do with the homeless situation, probably set up a hammock using a bedsheet or something. As for the food banks, its inevitable that people will take advantage of the system, but if it helps out the genuine people in desperate need, then brilliant. I think there are quite a few things we could do. 1. Instead of Soulsby selling disused factories for £1 we could put about 50 beds in one of those for any homeless person to sleep in, you would easily get it looked after with volunteers and you could divert funding from some of these self serving hopeless groups that do nothing, it wouldn't be perfect but it's better than being on the street. 2. Go around and collect these people and bring them to it, if you offer them shelter, food and some warmth and then throw it back then at least we know there is nothing we can do to help them. If they cant fill out the forms to try and get accomodation physically get them and show them. 3. Shut down these organisations like DNO/Panj Pani etc and divert the funding to point 1 and 2, no matter how much people want to believe they are helping reading a poem out to a listenership of about 75 people it isn't really doing anything to combat homelessness is it? Vanity projects for people pretending to care about the homeless isn't helping anyone but the self serving people on the charity boards earning their huge salary. That's off the top of my head.
Rincewind Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 We do not get council funding. But I agree with No. 1. and 2 That is what we are trying to do but all the different departments organisations do not work together for each need. We are trying to change that. We offer skills training and tenancy training for a start. There are now less support workers available and the length a person can stay in a hostel has een reduced to four months from a year. If the service user has mental issues or lack of skills to cope on their own then it is likely they may end up on the streets again. The radio and other project gives them the confidence and motivation to do things for themselves which may have been lacking or lost due to mental illness family breakdown domestic violence or several other issues. There is often no one reason. Issues are often linked leading to a spiral downfall. Watch the 5 minutes version of the DNO story and you will see some good examples of the success.
Rincewind Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Hands up who likes Simon Cowell? Click link Do you like him now?
Vacamion Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 What I don't get is politicians (like Andy Burnham on QT last night) saying that it's 'abject' to be 'reduced to' using a food bank. I presume that their solution is to pay more welfare money to those affected. How is receiving food from a food bank any more 'abject' than receiving money from the State to then hand over to pay for the baked beans yourself? Surely the two acts are philosophically equivalent?
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