Merging Cultures Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Hands up who likes Simon Cowell? Click link Do you like him now? That was a bit random. Which bit were we supposed to not like? The bit where he says he pays his taxes?
Strokes Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 What I don't get is politicians (like Andy Burnham on QT last night) saying that it's 'abject' to be 'reduced to' using a food bank. I presume that their solution is to pay more welfare money to those affected. How is receiving food from a food bank any more 'abject' than receiving money from the State to then hand over to pay for the baked beans yourself? Surely the two acts are philosophically equivalent? That is a very good point, wasnt it labour that first bought about the idea of benifit vouchers, which is all in all the same?We perhaps need to think about education in this country, a class in finance management, might be more useful than say textiles or drama in the modern world.
Thracian Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Come round for a brew ken, i can give you plenty of ammo. I cant stand the fact people pity these self abusers, who blame everyone but themeselves for their circumstances. Absolutely .... seems to me that the one constant is that the excuses are endless. And it is always someone else's fault. Offer to help these people and they won't listen or act if it means making some real effort. Someone will explain one day why anyone should work 6.00am til 6.00pm to constantly help people who won't help themselves and who simply soak up the goodwill of others as if it's their birthright. The reality is that more money should go to those who genuinely need it and the professional scroungers should be seen for what they are. Furthermore anyone sanctioning the release on parole of anyone who then commits further crime should themselves be jailed for failing to act responsibly. Liberals? They're just another breed of excuse makers.
Zingari Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 i don't know how any politicians have got the nerve to criticise a culture of "summat for nowt". They're the fookin' experts when it comes to paying for nowt and claiming expenses for everything including paper to wipe their fat arses . pot kettle black if ever i heard it
Rocket-Ron Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Hands up who likes Simon Cowell? Click link Do you like him now? I didn't.. I'm still not sure. Where are these food banks? Do they have ATM style machines when closed? Would I be able to get a Kebab on a Friday night?? so many questions..
Jon the Hat Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 i don't know how any politicians have got the nerve to criticise a culture of "summat for nowt". They're the fookin' experts when it comes to paying for nowt and claiming expenses for everything including paper to wipe their fat arses . pot kettle black if ever i heard it Really? Not all MPs are perfect, but comparing people work very long hours in an albeit reasonable well rewarded public role to poeple on benefits is a bit silly.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I went to a food bank but when I asked for lobster they looked at me like I'd just shat on the floor. Which I subsequently did after they turned me away for also having no truffle oil. Losers.
Rincewind Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Really? Not all MPs are perfect, but comparing people work very long hours in an albeit reasonable well rewarded public role to poeple on benefits is a bit silly. You don't think people on minimum wage working zero hour contracts, part time, raising a family, or 60 hours a week work hard?
Jon the Hat Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 You don't think people on minimum wage working zero hour contracts, part time, raising a family, or 60 hours a week work hard? I think lots of people work hard and the top and the bottom, so pointing at MPs and saying they dont is silly.
Rincewind Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I think lots of people work hard and the top and the bottom, so pointing at MPs and saying they dont is silly. So is pointing at those that work AND on benefits. The majority of those in the cabinet (and many Labour MP's) went to public school and have never suffered or en counted what it is like to live on the breadline like the majority of people on low wages and on benefits. MP's of today are career politicians. Public school to university to HOP. Little contact with real people. The only time some are seen is coming up to an election.
Jon the Hat Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 So is pointing at those that work AND on benefits. The majority of those in the cabinet (and many Labour MP's) went to public school and have never suffered or en counted what it is like to live on the breadline like the majority of people on low wages and on benefits. MP's of today are career politicians. Public school to university to HOP. Little contact with real people. The only time some are seen is coming up to an election. Certainly the case for many. To be fair, most succesful people struggle to understand why other have not improved their situation. It is a different world no doubt, and we should welcome people from poorer backgrounds into Parliament.
Guest MattP Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 We do not get council funding. But I agree with No. 1. and 2 That is what we are trying to do but all the different departments organisations do not work together for each need. We are trying to change that. We offer skills training and tenancy training for a start. There are now less support workers available and the length a person can stay in a hostel has een reduced to four months from a year. If the service user has mental issues or lack of skills to cope on their own then it is likely they may end up on the streets again. The radio and other project gives them the confidence and motivation to do things for themselves which may have been lacking or lost due to mental illness family breakdown domestic violence or several other issues. There is often no one reason. Issues are often linked leading to a spiral downfall. Watch the 5 minutes version of the DNO story and you will see some good examples of the success. I can't find my copy of the DNO story in my DVD collection at the minute, do you have a link? Action Homless do get council funding, don't try and change it, just change it, it's not that hard. Get some doers in the charity who are going to shake things up. The radio project has given a couple of homeless people help out of supposdly thousands, its a pointless vaniy project and the money spent on it could be put to far greater use. Certainly the case for many. To be fair, most succesful people struggle to understand why other have not improved their situation. It is a different world no doubt, and we should welcome people from poorer backgrounds into Parliament. It would be ideal if we could, but we also have to make sure they are good enough to do the job they are supposed to. Look at the sub standard politicians the Labour party has now thanks to all women shortlists, people like Gloria De Piero and Liz Kendell who you wouldn't let take your dog for a walk let alone hold a cabinet position. I've said for years the only way to achieve getting people from poorer backgrounds into politics is to start teaching it as a subject in schools, kids can grow up until the age of 16 now not having a clue even who are main political parties are. Though it's obviously dangerous territory given the political views we have seen from some teachers.
Merging Cultures Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 So is pointing at those that work AND on benefits. The majority of those in the cabinet (and many Labour MP's) went to public school and have never suffered or en counted what it is like to live on the breadline like the majority of people on low wages and on benefits. MP's of today are career politicians. Public school to university to HOP. Little contact with real people. The only time some are seen is coming up to an election. I wonder what percentage of population have ever really suffered and been on the breadline?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Certainly the case for many. To be fair, most succesful people struggle to understand why other have not improved their situation. It is a different world no doubt, and we should welcome people from poorer backgrounds into Parliament. Probably going off topic a bit here but I think this is just an example of how difficult it is for people to change their lifestyles and outlook, which is something that's frequently overlooked. I'm no psychologist (although I probably have more friends in this profession than any other) but I hear tales all the time of people with dreadful lives where you wonder why they don't just walk away from them, and the answer seems to be that if a shit life is what you know then a shit life is what you will lead. Not sure this illustrates my point particularly well but I read this a few weeks ago and meant to post it at the time, as I thought it was an interesting account from someone who had escaped from a terrible background and details the some of the factors that lead people to making what appear to be terrible life choices. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26254706
ADK Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I'd love to help the homeless but I'd want to be paid to do it.
Zingari Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Those food banks are rubbish . i just popped in for some pate de foie gras and some oysters in aspic and they'd got neither . they won't survive if they treat us as shabbily as this,
Vacamion Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I've said for years the only way to achieve getting people from poorer backgrounds into politics is to start teaching it as a subject in schools, kids can grow up until the age of 16 now not having a clue even who are main political parties are. I agree. This plus compulsory voting, Oz style. Even if people turn up and spoil their ballot paper, they should take part in the democratic process.
Rincewind Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 I can understand the reason for compulsory voting but would it be unbiased? Whatever is taught there would be those that say it favours one side or the other and in a class of 30 you won't please all parents. I have tried to restrict my apathy by changing to a postal vote but I still leave it until the last minute or forget altogether. Naughty me. . Have set a date because according to peter Soulsby when he was on RL there is the Lord mayor local and general elections on the same day. I don't want to get them mixed up and vote for Soulsby as PM. {)
Stadt Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 The teaching of politics would depend on the teacher rather than the curriculum, key concepts and fundamentals should be taught but as Ken said you'd get wrong and right leaning teachers.
l444ry Posted 21 March 2014 Posted 21 March 2014 Interesting but not sure that you can teach Politics. Politics should come from the heart. Too many "taught" Politicians running the country now already! Let's be honest, who really believes that Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, Blair or any other of today's trained politicians we are saddled with are in it for any other reason than themselves. http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html;_ylt=A7x9QXmQpSxTU1kAYx1LBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTE1ZTdjOXRrBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA2lyZAR2dGlkA01TWVVLMDVfNzg-
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