Gypsies On Benefits And Proud

[stuartn27]

Do buskers pay tax on their income?

I feel sorry for the chap....but they all come to england

We all know why

[Rincewind]

Do buskers pay tax on their income?

I feel sorry for the chap....but they all come to england

We all know why

Do we? How would he have been treated in his home country? Can you blame him for thinking it might be better here?

[Alf Bentley]

 

Thank god I'm fcuking off soon.

 

Where are you fcuking off to, or is it just an exasperated aspiration?

[Webbo]

Do we? How would he have been treated in his home country? Can you blame him for thinking it might be better here?

He's come here with the sole intention of claiming benefits, of course he's better off here.

[Guest MattP]

Where are you fcuking off to, or is it just an exasperated aspiration?

 

Bit of both

 

On a serious note I've got an open chance to work for a friend in New Zealand for a couple of years.

 

Sadly, I just know deep down I've not got bollocks to go and do it nowadays and I honestly can't figure out why. I'll speak to you about it next Saturday.

[Rincewind]

It's a good opportunity to get away by the sound of it. You may regret it if you say no or yes. It's a bit quieter out there and the football is crap.

[Webbo]

I had the opportunity to apply for a job in NZ a couple of years ago. apparently they were/are desperate for tradesmen where that earthquake was. I gave it serious thought and was tempted but I didn't have the balls either.

[bovril]

I could see myself on a little farm in New Zealand in my middle age, taking photos and making wine. Or Canada. Just the air miles put me off......

[Guest MattP]

It's a good opportunity to get away by the sound of it. You may regret it if you say no or yes. It's a bit quieter out there and the football is crap.

 

It's all Rugby, the country is absolutely obsessed with it. And not in the way it masquerades as a sport for rampant homosexuality like it is here.

 

It's family and friends that are keeping me here, certain situations at the minute would make me feel very guilty about leaving.

 

I went for two weeks last March and it was the most beautiful place I have ever visited, a bit quiet though for a young person, certainly a place I'd dash to like a shot though if I was bringing up a young family. It was more relaxed and laid back than South Asia and that's saying something.

[purpleronnie]

There's gypsies in New Zealand too.  Baffles me why people get so angry about it, does it really effect you so badly?   It sure is beautiful but plenty of places in the UK are beautiful plenty of places that have a relaxed way of life too, and none of it involves moving across the other side of the world away from family and friends.

[Webbo]

There's gypsies in New Zealand too.  Baffles me why people get so angry about it, does it really effect you so badly?  

If they have no intention of working then it affects all of us. The house we put them in is a house we can't put any genuine claimant in, the tax money that is given to them is money that can't be spent on other things.

 

Is it really so hard to comprehend that people don't like being taken for a ride?

[Alf Bentley]

Bit of both

 

On a serious note I've got an open chance to work for a friend in New Zealand for a couple of years.

 

Sadly, I just know deep down I've not got bollocks to go and do it nowadays and I honestly can't figure out why. I'll speak to you about it next Saturday.

 

I spent a month wandering around NZ back in 1990 and still have cousins there. A beautiful country in parts, but I'm not sure that I'd want to live there for any length of time. Being used to living in UK/Europe, it mostly felt fairly quiet and far away from everywhere - much more so than Australia, I felt. Very pleasant people on the whole, but it all felt a bit too laid back for me.

 

Depends how good an opportunity the job is, how much you want to leave blighted Blighty, what ties you have and what sort of life you want to lead, I suppose.

 

I look forward to hearing about it a week tomorrow.

[Guest MattP]

There's gypsies in New Zealand too.  Baffles me why people get so angry about it, does it really effect you so badly?

 

That's an appalling attitude to take Ron, if didn't really affect people when MP's started stealing our money on expenses but we should tell them it's wrong and make sure it doesn't happen again.

 

You could say it about anything that happens. If people are wandering into Britain with the open intention of living a free life courtesy of the taxpayer so anyone contributing and working hard should have to lose more of their own money of course they are going to care and be angry about it.

 

Can have your bank balance? I don't want to do anything until it runs out.

[purpleronnie]

If they have no intention of working then it affects all of us. The house we put them in is a house we can't put any genuine claimant in, the tax money that is given to them is money that can't be spent on other things.

 

Is it really so hard to comprehend that people don't like being taken for a ride?

But it happens all over the world, people seem to think it doesn't.

 

I understand that people don't like to see people who claim and have no intent on working, but then to get so angry about it that it effects you so much is odd to me, do you get so angry at people avoiding tax costing much more to the country?  i doubt it.  Just seems flavour of the month to see benefit claimers as the lowest of the low.

[purpleronnie]

That's an appalling attitude to take Ron, if didn't really affect people when MP's started stealing our money on expenses but we should tell them it's wrong and make sure it doesn't happen again.

 

You could say it about anything that happens. If people are wandering into Britain with the open intention of living a free life courtesy of the taxpayer so anyone contributing and working hard should have to lose more of their own money of course they are going to care.

It's not that I think its OK or that I think they should get away with it, it's just think peoples reactions are so extraordinary OTT about it and the reaction seems completely lop sided compared to other 'crimes' like tax evasion.

[Guest MattP]

I spent a month wandering around NZ back in 1990 and still have cousins there. A beautiful country in parts, but I'm not sure that I'd want to live there for any length of time. Being used to living in UK/Europe, it mostly felt fairly quiet and far away from everywhere - much more so than Australia, I felt. Very pleasant people on the whole, but it all felt a bit too laid back for me.

 

Depends how good an opportunity the job is, how much you want to leave blighted Blighty, what ties you have and what sort of life you want to lead, I suppose.

 

I look forward to hearing about it a week tomorrow.

 

That was the one drawback as well I really felt, it really did feel like you were on the end of the World didn't it? A strange feeling you can't really explain until you have felt it. Can't imagine what it must be like living in Tonga, Samoa etc??

 

Australia didn't feel like it.

[Webbo]

But it happens all over the world, people seem to think it doesn't.

 

I understand that people don't like to see people who claim and have no intent on working, but then to get so angry about it that it effects you so much is odd to me, do you get so angry at people avoiding tax costing much more to the country?  i doubt it.  Just seems flavour of the month to see benefit claimers as the lowest of the low.

I guarantee that nobody from this country has moved to Romania with the intention of living off their benefit system.

 

Also the bit about getting angry. This is a thread about people coming here to claim benefits, saying you don't agree with it doesn't mean you spend every waking hour in a boiling rage.

[Guest MattP]

It's not that I think its OK or that I think they should get away with it, it's just think peoples reactions are so extraordinary OTT about it and the reaction seems completely lop sided compared to other 'crimes' like tax evasion.

 

Probably because despite tax evasion those whose do it often create jobs, security, wealth and pay for schools, hospitals etc with that.

 

That's far different from just deciding to wander across Europe because it's become legal to abuse another countries welfare system.

[Rincewind]

I think their first intention is to find work and have a better life for their family because they are unable to where they are. When they find the pavements are not all paved with gold they take the next best option.

[purpleronnie]

Probably because despite tax evasion those whose do it often create jobs, security, wealth and pay for schools, hospitals etc with that.

 

That's far different from just deciding to wander across Europe because it's become legal to abuse another countries welfare system.

That's like saying shoplifting has the moral equivalence of murder, Tax evasion should get more attention than benefit cheating and if looked at with a blanced view should create more anger, it certainly takes more money out of our pockets and the economy than benefit claiments ever will.

[Guest MattP]

I think their first intention is to find work and have a better life for their family because they are unable to where they are. When they find the pavements are not all paved with gold they take the next best option.

 

Seriously Ken...!

 

Ronnie - You seem to have fell into this trap a lot of the liberals do nowadays, people aren't just concerned at the cost, it's the effect it has on overall society.

 

The more you see laziness rewarded the more people will take that road, when we started financially supporting teenagers who were dropping kids out with free housing and child benefit we were told it was something only a few did and it made no difference, have a look 25 years later and see what we have created.

 

It's exactly the same scenario, why would you bother going to work if you have seen your parents sit at home drop out kids and live off the state? What's the point and furthermore what chance do you have with that as a role model.

 

We've got into a ridiculous situation now where we have migrants arriving with no other intention than to be housed and have children and live off the state in there own filth, if you can't see the long term damage that has the potential to cause then you must have had an absolutely perfect life.

[Webbo]

That's like saying shoplifting has the moral equivalence of murder, Tax evasion should get more attention than benefit cheating and if looked at with a blanced view should create more anger, it certainly takes more money out of our pockets and the economy than benefit claiments ever will.

Why are you getting so angry about it? Does it really affect you that badly?

[ADK]

It's not that I think its OK or that I think they should get away with it, it's just think peoples reactions are so extraordinary OTT about it and the reaction seems completely lop sided compared to other 'crimes' like tax evasion.

 

It's because people read/watch it in the media. Obviously the media doesn't spend nearly the amount of time covering tax evasion / avoidance because largely those people have power and influence over what is printed anyway.

[purpleronnie]

Why are you getting so angry about it? Does it really affect you that badly?

Nope it makes me more angry.    And it effects me (and you) a lot more than benefit cheats, that's a fact.

[Guest MattP]

That's like saying shoplifting has the moral equivalence of murder, Tax evasion should get more attention than benefit cheating and if looked at with a blanced view should create more anger, it certainly takes more money out of our pockets and the economy than benefit claiments ever will.

 

And certainly puts more in as well.

 

As I've said above, it's not completely a financial viewpoint a lot of people are looking at.