Gypsies On Benefits And Proud

[Webbo]

It's because people read/watch it in the media. Obviously the media doesn't spend nearly the amount of time covering tax evasion / avoidance because largely those people have power and influence over what is printed anyway.

Tax evasion is illegal and so is done in secret, if anyone gets caught it usually makes the news. As for tax avoidance, which is legal btw, are you saying that that's never mentioned in the media? Starbucks, Amazon etc? 

[Guest MattP]

It's because people read/watch it in the media. Obviously the media doesn't spend nearly the amount of time covering tax evasion / avoidance because largely those people have power and influence over what is printed anyway.

 

Oh no we have read nothing about companies dodging tax recently have we?

 

edit: Webbo beat me to it!

[purpleronnie]

And certainly puts more in as well.

 

As I've said above, it's not completely a financial viewpoint a lot of people are looking at.

If its' not financial do you mean it's a moral one?, because surely the same conclusion should be reached, would you rather see someone committing a more serious crime as large scale tax evasion or someone claiming a few quid a week that they are entitled too but just not looking for a job?

 

Because to me morally they are simply not equivalents.

[Webbo]

If its' not financial do you mean it's a moral one?, because surely the same conclusion should be reached, would you rather see someone committing a more serious crime as large scale tax evasion or someone claiming a few quid a week that they are entitled too but just not looking for a job?

 

Because to me morally they are simply not equivalents.

It's a bit more than a few quid.

[Guest MattP]

If its' not financial do you mean it's a moral one?, because surely the same conclusion should be reached, would you rather see someone committing a more serious crime as large scale tax evasion or someone claiming a few quid a week that they are entitled too but just not looking for a job?

 

Because to me morally they are simply not equivalents.

 

I believe a man who has worked hard for his money and goes to efforts to keep more of it than the state says he should is far more moral than a man who ups his family to a different country as he can live off the success and hard work of others.

 

Any progressive society should do. I would dread the alternative.

[ADK]

Tax evasion is illegal and so is done in secret, if anyone gets caught it usually makes the news. As for tax avoidance, which is legal btw, are you saying that that's never mentioned in the media? Starbucks, Amazon etc? 

 

I think there's a lot more coverage given to benefits than there is tax avoidance and tax evasion. I didn't claim they were never mentioned in the media.

[Webbo]

The tax avoidance issue is such a load of bollox. We;re talking about money that wouldn't exist in normal circumstances.

 

Everyone knows that they are making the next 3 Star Wars film here and that's because the Chancellor made a deal with them that the profits would be tax free. So if these films make a £billion  in profit the usual suspects will be crying about hundreds of millions of pounds lost to tax avoidance, but if he hadn't made the deal the films would have been made elsewhere so that money wouldn't exist in this country. Also the money spent on facilities, actors, technical staff, hotels rooms, all the money paid in VAT,income tax, NI wouldn't be in this country either. The benefit to the nation outweighs any hypothetical tax lost that has occurred.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Bit of both

 

On a serious note I've got an open chance to work for a friend in New Zealand for a couple of years.

 

Sadly, I just know deep down I've not got bollocks to go and do it nowadays and I honestly can't figure out why. I'll speak to you about it next Saturday.

 

He's going to exploit the indigenous population.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which as we all know, are Hobbits.

[Father Ted]

Gypsy bashing is so 1980's.

 

Looking at the picture of that guy on Gallowtree Gate Gypsy Tossing is clearly the future.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if this showed all the Slovaks on Evington Road.

[ADK]

The tax avoidance issue is such a load of bollox. We;re talking about money that wouldn't exist in normal circumstances.

 

Everyone knows that they are making the next 3 Star Wars film here and that's because the Chancellor made a deal with them that the profits would be tax free. So if these films make a £billion  in profit the usual suspects will be crying about hundreds of millions of pounds lost to tax avoidance, but if he hadn't made the deal the films would have been made elsewhere so that money wouldn't exist in this country. Also the money spent on facilities, actors, technical staff, hotels rooms, all the money paid in VAT,income tax, NI wouldn't be in this country either. The benefit to the nation outweighs any hypothetical tax lost that has occurred.

 

So do we just abandon the notion of making business pay any form of tax on their profits?

[Webbo]

So do we just abandon the notion of making business pay any form of tax on their profits?

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

[MooseBreath]

So do we just abandon the notion of making business pay any form of tax on their profits?

Interesting idea though. Maybe the increased employment and money for innovation would outweigh the lost tax revenue in the long run.

[ADK]

Interesting idea though. Maybe the increased employment and money for innovation would outweigh the lost tax revenue in the long run.

 

The danger is a race to the bottom where you end up giving such a generous deal to business that there is simply no money to pay for public goods.

[lavrentis]

This was a topic of conversation at work today, thankfully we were slating the scroungers off, really puts it to bed when you work full time that some people get so much money a week for **** all

[Guest MattP]

So do we just abandon the notion of making business pay any form of tax on their profits?

Actually not a bad idea, Monte Carlo looks like a nice place to live.

Switzerland, Cayman Islands, low tax...seems the more taxation the lower the standards become.

The danger is a race to the bottom where you end up giving such a generous deal to business that there is simply no money to pay for public goods.

A brilliant piece of satire.

[The God Emperor]

Actually not a bad idea, Monte Carlo looks like a nice place to live.

Switzerland, Cayman Islands, low tax...seems the more taxation the lower the standards become.

 

spot on. people often believe the fallacy that wealth in the hands of the state means wealth for the nation. Wealth in the hands of the state is no good to any one but the state since most of it gets eaten up by the state apparatus and whatever's left get used to pay for pot holed roads, reducing the economic opportunity of the lower classes through 'welfare' programmes and the wages and pensions of the police who keep coming to my house asking why on their infrared cameras my loft looks unusually warm.    

[DennisNedry]

I watched this last night.

 

It confirmed my fears that tens of thousands of these Eastern Europeans (from Romania/Slovakia on this show) actually have no intention of working at all. I was surprised at how open and honest they were about milking benefits, playing the system and even stealing/pick-pocketing. 

 

Even the most left wing of posters (Ronnie, Alf etc) surely cannot give me a reason as to how they benefit this country, or why we should allow them to come here?

[Rincewind]

Yes definately. By the evidence of that programme ALL Romanian gypsies are benefit scroungers.

 

I also saw a film once that showed half a dozen Frenchmen carrying onions which PROVES beyond reasonabledoubt that all Frenchmen smell of onions.

 

Not watched it but I'll take your word for it.

[Strokes]

Yes definately. By the evidence of that programme ALL Romanian gypsies are benefit scroungers.

I also saw a film once that showed half a dozen Frenchmen carrying onions which PROVES beyond reasonabledoubt that all Frenchmen smell of onions.

Not watched it but I'll take your word for it.

All homeless people stink.

[leicsmac]

Actually not a bad idea, Monte Carlo looks like a nice place to live.

Switzerland, Cayman Islands, low tax...seems the more taxation the lower the standards become.

Most of Scandinavia begs to differ.

Mind you, their public funding and resultant high quality of life is backed by an impressive education system and ready business in extracting natural resources using a nationalised industry...hang on, didn't we have both of those things once upon a time? :-P

[lavrentis]

Time to leave the EU.

[purpleronnie]

Time to leave the EU.

No thanks.  I wont let a few immigrants who don't work overide the massive majority who are a benefit to this country.

[purpleronnie]

I watched this last night.

 

It confirmed my fears that tens of thousands of these Eastern Europeans (from Romania/Slovakia on this show) actually have no intention of working at all. I was surprised at how open and honest they were about milking benefits, playing the system and even stealing/pick-pocketing. 

 

Even the most left wing of posters (Ronnie, Alf etc) surely cannot give me a reason as to how they benefit this country, or why we should allow them to come here?

You mean all of them or just the ones who claim?, as its been proven that EU immigrants put more into our economy than they take out.

 

But we've had this discussion before, we go round and round.

 

If people want to lump all or the majority of immigrants as benefit scroungers despite all the facts that prove that's untrue then go ahead it's all pretty boring so I'll leave it to others.

[MooseBreath]

Most of Scandinavia begs to differ.

Mind you, their public funding and resultant high quality of life is backed by an impressive education system and ready business in extracting natural resources using a nationalised industry...hang on, didn't we have both of those things once upon a time? :-P

You've been away too long. Even the guardian has stopped believing in the Scandinavian utopia nonsense.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/05/scandinavian-miracle-denmark-finland-iceland-norway-sweden

Makes you wonder what kind of absolute mess they would be in if they weren't blessed with such an abundance of hugely profitable natural resources.

[MooseBreath]

You mean all of them or just the ones who claim?, as its been proven that EU immigrants put more into our economy than they take out.

Not counting the additional benefits claimed by british people who have had their wages driven down or who have lost their jobs due to the importation of cheap labour of course.