a few championship teams-ticket prices

[davieG]

As stated earlier we have always encouraged the club to reward loyalty. The season ticket prices at £11/game easily achieve this. For those that can't afford the upfront payment, we feel the introduction of the membership scheme provides a benefit for attending only a quarter of the games & potentially as little as 4 games.

So that leaves the fans who will turn up either for

a) Fans fixtures due to the cheap price  - that seemed to equate to several thousand last season, based on attendances

OR

b) Those who will select who they feel are appealing fixtures.

In lobbying terms, as these fans by lack of attendance would be defined as 'less loyal' are not so high in our priority.

However overall we do constantly give feedback to the club about match gradings & will continue to do so, therefore we are representing fans views over this issue.

There have been several good ideas on 'offers' or 'packages' posted on message boards over the past week & we have fed some on to the club to consider. At the end of the day though the club makes the final decision.

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I'm sorry but you are making the same mistake/omission every time, some of the the people who go to the more appealing fixtures are the same ones who can't afford to go to every game, of course they'll select these fixture, they want value for the little money that they have. This doesn't make them less loyal it just makes them intelligent, discerning but not able to pay the price the club are asking.

[Guest]

Lisa you assuming lower prices = lower revenue, what are you basing this on?

If prices were dropped by £5 for example a 25k attendance would make the same revenue as 22k at the current prices, a 26k attendance would make more money.

159259[/snapback]

Where have I said lower prices = lower revenue? All I did was make the point that Sheffield Wednesday will have a lower wage bill than City. I read somewhere we still have the 6th highest wage bill in the division, this is despite efforts to lower it. Where do you think the club should get this money from? It will come from the fans whether it is fewer fans paying more, or more paying less. My only problem is that there is no evidence to suggest that lower ticket prices will bring the crowds back.

Last season, attendances throughout the leagues went down for the first time in years. Is this purely down to the cost, or the fact that people might actually be getting bored with football? See, it's not a black and white issue.

We at City have the problem that for some time the football has been poor, the players seem to be coming in and out through a revolving door, and surely this has more bearing on the falling attendances. People were more than happy to pay the same prices three years ago, yet despite inflation elsewhere, they now think football tickets are too high. Don't you think these other factors have any bearing on this?

There are always people who will not be able to go to many games, whatever the prices are, but I feel that despite the apathy surrounding our supporters, it is easier to blame the club and the ticket prices than it is to admit that City have not been a great team to watch. And after all, if given the choice, we'd all like to pay less for something.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to pay less to watch City and if we charge more to watch teams, you can bet the opposition will reciprocate when we play them on their own turf, which affects my bank balance as much as anyone elses. However, I think things are being blown out of proportion, and I can see the difficulties the club has in trying to work out the most effective ticket price structure possible.

[Chrysalis]

How were the games classified 3 years ago?

number of Class A vs class B vs Fans Fixture

[Foxes_Trust]

Where have I said lower prices = lower revenue?  All I did was make the point that Sheffield Wednesday will have a lower wage bill than City.  I read somewhere we still have the 6th highest wage bill in the division, this is despite efforts to lower it.  Where do you think the club should get this money from?  It will come from the fans whether it is fewer fans paying more, or more paying less.  My only problem is that there is no evidence to suggest that lower ticket prices will bring the crowds back.

Last season, attendances throughout the leagues went down for the first time in years.  Is this purely down to the cost, or the fact that people might actually be getting bored with football?  See, it's not a black and white issue.

We at City have the problem that for some time the football has been poor, the players seem to be coming in and out through a revolving door, and surely this has more bearing on the falling attendances.  People were more than happy to pay the same prices three years ago, yet despite inflation elsewhere, they now think football tickets are too high.  Don't you think these other factors have any bearing on this?

There are always people who will not be able to go to many games, whatever the prices are, but I feel that despite the apathy surrounding our supporters, it is easier to blame the club and the ticket prices than it is to admit that City have not been a great team to watch.  And after all, if given the choice, we'd all like to pay less for something.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to pay less to watch City and if we charge more to watch teams, you can bet the opposition will reciprocate when we play them on their own turf, which affects my bank balance as much as anyone elses.  However, I think things are being blown out of proportion, and I can see the difficulties the club has in trying to work out the most effective ticket price structure possible.

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Totally agree Lisa, think you have phrased it much better than we have, its exactly the view we are trying to put across

[Foxes_Trust]

How were the games classified 3 years ago?

number of Class A vs class B vs Fans Fixture

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Haven't got the exact details, as the Trust didn't exist 3 years ago, so we don't have the records.

Certainly there would have been more grade A games than this season, the Fans Fixtures have tended to be around 3 per season, although not when in the Premiership

[Anish]

I think there were 5 fans fixtures in the first season at the Walkers Stadium, and they were £5 a ticket if I remember correctly (for members that is).

[Katy]

Basically this arguement is going to run and run. The club arent going to be hard pressed enough to rethink ticket prices/price structuring whilst people are still attending games. Not enough people are going to vote with their feet and not go so it looks like putting up and shutting up while some of us go bankrupt to prove to others that they are a 'proper' fan by going to every unglamourous game going.

[Vestan Pance]

We don't expect anybody to throw all their dosh at the club or the Trust, there are many more important things in life, the relative importance is up to the individual.

What we are trying to gather more information on is why several more thousand people can't be arsed to go to the ground anymore

160677[/snapback]

Two people that had season tickets with me last year just hated the Walkers Stadium. Like it or not they enjoyed the atmosphere and banter with other fans and often complained that the stands where too far from the pitch. They hated the stadium announcer and the general lack of atmosphere. These were not part time supporters they just missed the football culture they grew up with. They both gave it a chance (3 years) but don't now attend.

Where will the new fan base come from? When I was 17 I was earning £120p/w and paying £5 to stand on The Kop. A ticket for the Ipswich game would have cost an 17 year old £22, you would now have to earn £528p/w to buy a ticket and have the same percentage of your wage left. How many 17 year olds earn £528p/w?

A ticket for football is now an investment.

[Chrysalis]

I wonder lisa if ST prices were up 30% next year would you complain?

Of course there is no way of knowing if lower prices = more bumbs on seats but we will never know until it is trialled.

[davieG]

Where have I said lower prices = lower revenue?  All I did was make the point that Sheffield Wednesday will have a lower wage bill than City.  I read somewhere we still have the 6th highest wage bill in the division, this is despite efforts to lower it.  Where do you think the club should get this money from?  It will come from the fans whether it is fewer fans paying more, or more paying less.  My only problem is that there is no evidence to suggest that lower ticket prices will bring the crowds back.

Last season, attendances throughout the leagues went down for the first time in years.  Is this purely down to the cost, or the fact that people might actually be getting bored with football?  See, it's not a black and white issue.

We at City have the problem that for some time the football has been poor, the players seem to be coming in and out through a revolving door, and surely this has more bearing on the falling attendances.  People were more than happy to pay the same prices three years ago, yet despite inflation elsewhere, they now think football tickets are too high.  Don't you think these other factors have any bearing on this?

There are always people who will not be able to go to many games, whatever the prices are, but I feel that despite the apathy surrounding our supporters, it is easier to blame the club and the ticket prices than it is to admit that City have not been a great team to watch.  And after all, if given the choice, we'd all like to pay less for something.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to pay less to watch City and if we charge more to watch teams, you can bet the opposition will reciprocate when we play them on their own turf, which affects my bank balance as much as anyone elses.  However, I think things are being blown out of proportion, and I can see the difficulties the club has in trying to work out the most effective ticket price structure possible.

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During that period, with the aid of discounts Season Tickets/price per game has gone down. E.g. last year it cost me about £13 a match this year it's £11. I repeat I have no current axe to grind being fortunate to be able to afford 2 discounted season tickets, one of which I have no guarantee it will be used.

I do however emphasise with families as I remember how difficult it was for me to find the money for 2 adults and 3 juniors not that long ago – certainly 5 season tickets would have been absolutely out of the question and yes I did pick and choose which games to spend my limited resources on – this today would make me a CAB according to the Foxes Trust. I’m also a Foxes Trust Member and find their current disparaging approach highly offensive.

[Foxes_Trust]

I wonder lisa if ST prices were up 30% next year would you complain?

Of course there is no way of knowing if lower prices = more bumbs on seats but we will never know until it is trialled.

161081[/snapback]

The Foxes Trust would speak strongly against any 30% price rise, be that ST's, match tickets, programmes or food. Match ticket prices have not gone up this season & with the membership deal have fallen.

We will wait for the club to announce the first Fans Fixture, we assume this will be the Brighton game, the attendance figure will be closely watched.

[Foxes_Trust]

During that period, with the aid of discounts Season Tickets/price per game has gone down.  E.g. last year it cost me about £13 a match this year it's £11. I repeat I have no current axe to grind being fortunate to be able to afford 2 discounted season tickets, one of which I have no guarantee it will be used.

I do however emphasise with families as I remember how difficult it was for me to find the money for 2 adults and 3 juniors not that long ago – certainly 5 season tickets would have been absolutely out of the question and yes I did pick and choose which games to spend my limited resources on – this today would make me a CAB according to the Foxes Trust. I’m also a Foxes Trust Member and find their current disparaging approach highly offensive.

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It isn't meant to be offensive, what we are trying to do is challenge whether the fall in attendances is just down to match ticket prices (as they haven't gone up this season).

We believe this is a too simplistic answer to the reduction. As the prices have not gone up, we are asking isn't the fall about fans not wanting to watch non-Premiership football for 2 consecutive seasons, which they haven't faced for a number of years.

No DavieG it wouldn't make you a CAB - for starters you put money in to help save the club. Our definition, which has provoked some, was based on all the factors we described, not just one element of them and was more about the 'wanting something for nothing' attitude that a number of people seem to have today.

Its a bit like some fans who accuse the Trust of not representing all fans, we try to, however when we survey for opinions, in the vast majority of occasions we do so only to members, who have paid for membership.

Some non-members expect us to ask them & represent them - this is the something for nothing mentality which frustrates us - those running the Trust put many hours voluntary work in, are we so wrong to expect fans to contribute to the Trust in return?

Back to the family point you raised - yes it is expensive to take the entire family, we understand this & have a few Trust board members in that position. The U8's scheme this season is aimed at addressing that & we have already lobbied the club to move the most attractive discounting on to a different age range next season.

[TornadoShaunUK]

I voted yes I think they are too expensive nowadays. This is the reason some of my mates have given me for not coming down to see City.

[Chrysalis]

The Foxes Trust would speak strongly against any 30% price rise, be that ST's, match tickets, programmes or food. Match ticket prices have not gone up this season & with the membership deal have fallen.

We will wait for the club to announce the first Fans Fixture, we assume this will be the Brighton game, the attendance figure will be closely watched.

Well it was in reference to 2 things one was from your own words you specified there is normally 10-15% difference between matchday and ST prices if attending all games and it is now 45%, so to make up that difference would mean a 30% rise in ST prices. Which of course I dont want but that was just in reply to lisa who thinks its fair for the club to not pass on any savings to casual fans.

Not sure if brighton is the best opposition to judge potential attendances with lower prices, but I think you can assume on a matched price to ipswich the attendance would be 2k+ lower so an equal attendance could be considered a 2k gain, but I know you and the club wont see it that way.

[Leicester_Mad]

It isn't meant to be offensive, what we are trying to do is challenge whether the fall in attendances is just down to match ticket prices (as they haven't gone up this season).

We believe this is a too simplistic answer to the reduction. As the prices have not gone up, we are asking isn't the fall about fans not wanting to watch non-Premiership football for 2 consecutive seasons, which they haven't faced for a number of years.

No DavieG it wouldn't make you a CAB - for starters you put money in to help save the club. Our definition, which has provoked some, was based on all the factors we described, not just one element of them and was more about the 'wanting something for nothing' attitude that a number of people seem to have today.

Its a bit like some fans who accuse the Trust of not representing all fans, we try to, however when we survey for opinions, in the vast majority of occasions we do so only to members, who have paid for membership.

Some non-members expect us to ask them & represent them - this is the something for nothing mentality which frustrates us - those running the Trust put many hours voluntary work in, are we so wrong to expect fans to contribute to the Trust in return?

Back to the family point you raised - yes it is expensive to take the entire family, we understand this & have a few Trust board members in that position. The U8's scheme this season is aimed at addressing that & we have already lobbied the club to move the most attractive discounting on to a different age range next season.

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of course it is. With one season you can put up paying over the odds prices but when they dont come down and the level of football you are watching goes down people wont go as there are other "luxuries" they would rather have.

[Guest]

I wonder lisa if ST prices were up 30% next year would you complain?

161081[/snapback]

Seeing as this would be likely if we returned to the Premiership, no. I'd probably a little as I handed over my hard-earned cash, but I wouldn't make a fuss because of it.

If perhaps the quality of player coming into the club improved dramatically, then again I wouldn't complain too much.

If we were still in this division however, and I wasn't enjoying the standard of football, of course I would complain, but this would be because of a combination of factors, not the purely because of the cost which is what people are trying to say in this argument.

I think the board are too astute to piss off ST holders, as they need the money to fund pre-season transfers, which is why they made a concerted effort by giving all these 'Early Bird' discounts etc.

[Fox in a Box]

Dear Dear Ric, I know you hate students but that really is a sweeping statement.

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I agree with Ric..

[Fox in a Box]

Seeing as this would be likely if we returned to the Premiership, no.  I'd probably    a little as I handed over my hard-earned cash, but I wouldn't make a fuss because of it.

If perhaps the quality of player coming into the club improved dramatically, then again I wouldn't complain too much.

If we were still in this division however, and I wasn't enjoying the standard of football, of course I would complain, but this would be because of a combination of factors, not the purely because of the cost which is what people are trying to say in this argument.

I think the board are too astute to piss off ST holders, as they need the money to fund pre-season transfers, which is why they made a concerted effort by giving all these 'Early Bird' discounts etc.

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Lisa, I total agree here, money will onnly fund better quality of playing staff, you cant have you cake and eat it..... so to speak.

The board needs to know what fan base they have year in year out, not fairweather fans who just turn up to 1-2 games, they treat the ST holders with high regard and in turn we get Early bird discounts, theat have saved 2 of us £70, and because we play more games it works out at a very reasonable, £14 per game.

OK, lets say we have 15,000 ST holders and 3,4000 members.(3,000 away support) in total 23,000

example......We get CHELSKi or MANURE in the FA cup the club get revenue from the BBC/SKY to show the game.

As its not part of the season ticket the board could, and for marketing purposes they let the loyal fans/members in for £10 flat rate aywhere in the stadium as a thankyou for supporting the team...

9,000 tickets are snapped up in 2 days be eager fairweather fans from all over the county

Non ST or Non members would be fuming if they couldnt get a ticket at that price.... this is called supply and demand.

People wouldnt be happy at any price, I pay to see my team PERFORM and if not then thats when I call the shots....

***People used to complain about how shabby Filbert St was now we have the right facilities, all we need now is a team that progresses with it

[PRIOR09]

Lisa, I total agree here, money will onnly fund better quality of playing staff, you cant have you cake and eat it..... so to speak.

The board needs to know what fan base they have year in year out, not fairweather fans who just turn up to 1-2 games, they treat the ST holders with high regard and in turn we get Early bird discounts, theat have saved 2 of us £70, and because we play more games it works out at a very reasonable, £14 per game.

OK, lets say we have 15,000 ST holders and 3,4000 members.(3,000 away support) in total 23,000

example......We get CHELSKi or MANURE in the FA cup the club get revenue from the BBC/SKY to show the game.

As its not part of the season ticket the board could, and for marketing purposes they let the loyal fans/members in for £10 flat rate aywhere in the stadium as a thankyou for supporting the team...

9,000 tickets are snapped up in 2 days be eager fairweather fans from all over the county

Non ST or Non members would be fuming if they couldnt get a ticket at that price.... this is called supply and demand.

People wouldnt be happy at any price, I pay to see my team PERFORM and if not then thats when I call the shots....

***People used to complain about how shabby Filbert St was now we have the right facilities, all we need now is a team that progresses with it

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Firstly i dont think we have 34,000 members and secondly the reason they are members is that they cant get to every game, so we would average less than 23,000

[Fox in a Box]

Firstly i dont think we have 34,000 members    and secondly the reason they are members is that they cant get to every game, so we would average less than 23,000

161508[/snapback]

3,4000 thou you pin head!

[PRIOR09]

3,4000 thou you pin head!

161569[/snapback]

Pinhead? stop making a **** of yourself. there is no such number as 3,4000! It's either 34,000 or 3,400

How funny

[Mark]

Pinhead? stop making a **** of yourself. there is no such number as 3,4000! It's either 34,000 or 3,400

How funny

161581[/snapback]

3/4 thousand. Pinhead indeed.

[PRIOR09]

3/4 thousand. Pinhead indeed. 

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Who is? Fox in a box wrote a number that doesnt even exist = 3,4000. I was just saying he must mean 3,400. or he is crazy and thinks we have 34,000 members, but i am sure he doesnt. Why is everyone getting so serious, he insulted me because i saw he typed incorrectly. Sorry

[Foxes_Trust]

Not sure if brighton is the best opposition to judge potential attendances with lower prices, but I think you can assume on a matched price to ipswich the attendance would be 2k+ lower so an equal attendance could be considered a 2k gain, but I know you and the club wont see it that way.

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Sorry can't understand what you are saying here, can you re-write it & then we will respond

(Not sure if you are comparing attractiveness of opposition or mid-week Vs Saturday attendances).

[Chrysalis]

sure.

1 - if Brighton was a grade A game, the attendance would be lower then the ipswich game probably by a few thousand.

2 - So the aim of grading it lower is to sustain the attendance.

3 - So if the attendance is the same this is not a 0 gain it is actually few thousand gain since it would have been lower, and if you have say 22k 2000 higher then it is actually an extra 5k fans.

4 - my point was the board and I expect the foxes trust see it different to me and will try and sell it to the fans that if brighton is a 20k attendance then the fans fixtures has no gains in attendance.

5 - thats why I think a proper way to prove is to regrade a game that is top 12 opposition.