Grewks Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 15/24 teams in the championship have been in the premier league recently... All either replaced their manager their relegation season, or during the season after...None stayed up, or returned to the premier league within a season...or look likely to. (Derby, M'boro, Blackburn, Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff, Watford, Charlton, Wolves, Reading, Birmingham, Bolton, Wigan, Blackpool, Ipswich So let's sack the guy who has won us 2 promotions, got us to the play-offs twice, and just selected a side which outplayed liverpool in the league.
RedSoxUK Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Good point, would like to see more on this statistic of changing manager = success / failure. I also agree with sticking with Pearson, no matter what - results are always reflected on ones manager, and Pearson will be isolated now up until the time he's out of the job, or guiding us to safety. I believe the signings of Ulloa and Cambiasso are positive to the 1st team, and it will be interesting to see how Upson does when he's fit, especially with Morgan going off the rails a bit. January will be vital, but it's more important now for us as fans, and members of the club (Stringer you're a fan too, and you're representing Leicester - You don't have to ask Pearson if he thinks he'll be in his job by the weekend because all we want is a result.) You have to remember that more than half of this squad signed FOR Pearson, either initially or because of him, did Pearson moan when his contract was running out six months before the end of last season? No he didn't, he got on with his job. You can tell he's passionate about the players at Leicester City, and they are of him. If Pearson was sacked and some unknown to these players came in, do you think they would care or put in as much effort? They clearly wouldn't. The morale isn't lost, the spirit isn't lost - there's no reason to sack Pearson and throw away years of respect and hard work because we're getting beat by teams two years ago we would be lucky to play against. If Pearson goes, I think that's it, not a chance.
inckley fox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 15/24 teams in the championship have been in the premier league recently... All either replaced their manager their relegation season, or during the season after...None stayed up, or returned to the premier league within a season...or look likely to. (Derby, M'boro, Blackburn, Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff, Watford, Charlton, Wolves, Reading, Birmingham, Bolton, Wigan, Blackpool, Ipswich So let's sack the guy who has won us 2 promotions, got us to the play-offs twice, and just selected a side which outplayed liverpool in the league. Come on, we didn't outplay Liverpool at all. And as for that stat, are you saying therefore that Pearson should retain his job for all of this season and next season, no matter what? Because Bolton sacked Coyle and Blackburn sacked Keen after they went down, when they were doing miserably. As for the rest, Boro parted company with Mowbray after relegation, Norwich sacked Hughton at the back end of their relegation season, Watford kept exactly the same manager all the way through their first season after relegation so they shouldn't be on the list, neither should Blackpool, Reading were already practically relegated by the time McDermott left in March, Birmingham parted company with their manager after relegation, as did Wigan, and Ipswich sacked their manager after relegation. So I'm not sure how this stat helps to suggest that we should stick with Pearson if our aim is to avoid relegation. On the other hand, you might like to look at the ex-Championship sides in the Premier League. How many of them changed their manager in their first season in the top flight? West Brom, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Sunderland. Who didn't? Hull, Swansea, Stoke, West Ham. The picture suddenly isn't so clear. The reasons for keeping Pearson lie in the extent to which the squad was designed by him, how close their relationship is after a relatively long tenure in charge, and how well he knows the staff. Stats like these do nothing to help him.
Grewks Posted 3 December 2014 Author Posted 3 December 2014 Come on, we didn't outplay Liverpool at all. And as for that stat, are you saying therefore that Pearson should retain his job for all of this season and next season, no matter what? Because Bolton sacked Coyle and Blackburn sacked Keen after they went down, when they were doing miserably. As for the rest, Boro parted company with Mowbray after relegation, Norwich sacked Hughton at the back end of their relegation season, Watford kept exactly the same manager all the way through their first season after relegation so they shouldn't be on the list, neither should Blackpool, Reading were already practically relegated by the time McDermott left in March, Birmingham parted company with their manager after relegation, as did Wigan, and Ipswich sacked their manager after relegation. So I'm not sure how this stat helps to suggest that we should stick with Pearson if our aim is to avoid relegation. On the other hand, you might like to look at the ex-Championship sides in the Premier League. How many of them changed their manager in their first season in the top flight? West Brom, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Sunderland. Who didn't? Hull, Swansea, Stoke, West Ham. The picture suddenly isn't so clear. The reasons for keeping Pearson lie in the extent to which the squad was designed by him, how close their relationship is after a relatively long tenure in charge, and how well he knows the staff. Stats like these do nothing to help him. didn't outplay liverpool? They didn't create a single chance themselves, only through our own poor play..... Kasper didn't make a save.
inckley fox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 didn't outplay liverpool? They didn't create a single chance themselves, only through our own poor play..... Kasper didn't make a save. I watched the game. Then I watched the replay with the commentary and all the after-match coverage. And I listened to the radio on the way home. And read all of the news reports on the net. I haven't seen anybody who has seriously argued that we outplayed Liverpool. To the contrary, the consensus is that they could have got more. The Spanish coverage described Leicester as the worst PL side they had ever seen. I'm a Leicester fan, I love Leicester, I didn't get on their backs tonight and I thought they worked their hearts out. But we didn't outplay Liverpool. Not at all.
roger the dodger Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 15/24 teams in the championship have been in the premier league recently... All either replaced their manager their relegation season, or during the season after...None stayed up, or returned to the premier league within a season...or look likely to. (Derby, M'boro, Blackburn, Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff, Watford, Charlton, Wolves, Reading, Birmingham, Bolton, Wigan, Blackpool, Ipswich So let's sack the guy who has won us 2 promotions, got us to the play-offs twice, and just selected a side which outplayed liverpool in the league. yes lets sack him we still Didn.t win outplayed them or not. and that statistic of changing your manager has got to end sooner or later and it might for us
Collymore Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 didn't outplay liverpool? They didn't create a single chance themselves, only through our own poor play..... Kasper didn't make a save. We didn't outplay Liverpool, sorry.
HitchinFox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 The Spanish coverage described Leicester as the worst PL side they had ever seen. Well it must be true then. Is it because we lack pashun? Like this, I mean. Can you imagine Stringer doing that – sounding like he's coming in his pants – after a goal.
Jacnah Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 I watched the game. Then I watched the replay with the commentary and all the after-match coverage. And I listened to the radio on the way home. And read all of the news reports on the net. I haven't seen anybody who has seriously argued that we outplayed Liverpool. To the contrary, the consensus is that they could have got more. The Spanish coverage described Leicester as the worst PL side they had ever seen. I'm a Leicester fan, I love Leicester, I didn't get on their backs tonight and I thought they worked their hearts out. But we didn't outplay Liverpool. Not at all. wow...really? We were certainly not that bad. In fact the bits i heard at the ground after the game from the BT Sports 'pundits' (and by the way did anybody see what the clown savage looked like!!) was reasonably complimentary minus the obvious references to bad defending. Did the Spanish coverage go further or was that it simply "shite..nuff said"?
Claridge Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 didn't outplay liverpool? They didn't create a single chance themselves, only through our own poor play..... Kasper didn't make a save. The way he's playing I,m not surprised
MooseBreath Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 If you're looking at teams currently in the championship it's obviously going to be bias towards teams who have been relegated. Need to look at teams still in the prem too.
Guest LCFC_World Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 People who thought this season would be easy seriously have some re - thinking to do. Whoever is in charge it was always going to be difficult. Stick by Pearson, he always gets him self out of bad situations. He knows what he is doing. Start being more positive at games. Remember, we are the 12th man...
inckley fox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 People who thought this season would be easy seriously have some re - thinking to do. Whoever is in charge it was always going to be difficult. Stick by Pearson, he always gets him self out of bad situations. He knows what he is doing. Start being more positive at games. Remember, we are the 12th man... But he's untested at this level. I think he needs more time to show he's a Bruce, Pulis, Rodgers or Allardyce as opposed to an Adkins, McDermott, Holloway etc. But we have to remember that plenty of managers looked the part in weaker leagues - be it our 2nd tier, or the SPL or whatever - but turned out to be utterly hopeless at this level. As for being more positive at home games - I'm all for it. So long as people make noise I really don't mind, so long as it isn't wall-to-wall booing. But even then, if they get behind the side vocally for the vast bulk of the game I think they're better than people who sit in stunned silence.
Grewks Posted 4 December 2014 Author Posted 4 December 2014 But he's untested at this level. I think he needs more time to show he's a Bruce, Pulis, Rodgers or Allardyce as opposed to an Adkins, McDermott, Holloway etc. But we have to remember that plenty of managers looked the part in weaker leagues - be it our 2nd tier, or the SPL or whatever - but turned out to be utterly hopeless at this level. As for being more positive at home games - I'm all for it. So long as people make noise I really don't mind, so long as it isn't wall-to-wall booing. But even then, if they get behind the side vocally for the vast bulk of the game I think they're better than people who sit in stunned silence. So was Fergie, Mourinho, Pulis etc.. In fact, i would argue many who were proven have struggled more.... Scolari, moyes (after his spell at everton, he was poor at united) etc.
inckley fox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 So was Fergie, Mourinho, Pulis etc.. In fact, i would argue many who were proven have struggled more.... Scolari, moyes (after his spell at everton, he was poor at united) etc. Yes, I agree. Some adapt more quickly than others, but everyone was new to this league once. That's why I said he needs the time to show whether he can reach their heights.
Grewks Posted 4 December 2014 Author Posted 4 December 2014 Yes, I agree. Some adapt more quickly than others, but everyone was new to this league once. That's why I said he needs the time to show whether he can reach their heights. Remember how long fergie needed.....
inckley fox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Remember how long fergie needed..... Like I say, I agree with you. But Fergie was manager in a very different era. Pearson is, what, the third or fourth longest serving manager in this league with just over three seasons. Back then boards were a lot more patient, a lot more sides came out of nowhere to challenge the top clubs and the financial stakes were a lot less intimidating. It was easier to bounce straight back, and it was something Manchester United themselves had done just fourteen or fifteen years earlier. And Man U weren't bottom, and they were both in an FA Cup semi-final and out of the relegation places when they came to consider his position.
ImBlue Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 wow...really? We were certainly not that bad. In fact the bits i heard at the ground after the game from the BT Sports 'pundits' (and by the way did anybody see what the clown savage looked like!!) was reasonably complimentary minus the obvious references to bad defending. Did the Spanish coverage go further or was that it simply "shite..nuff said"? How can you even argue it? You could probably name a handful and even that's debatable. Were the worst team in the league so far this season so measuring against past teams is difficult and always opinion, but were pretty bad..
rico Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Perhaps the ref to 'worst team' is out of context,remember we are the bottom club in the PL at the moment
artursteppe Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Whether we keep Pearson or not, let's just get one thing clear - he does NOT know what he is doing. All this stupid talk about he knows what he's doing so let's keep him is ridiculous. His only chance is to keep the faith of the players and hope that through their desire and effort we can survive. The facts are Pearson got good results earlier in the season because the players believed what Pearson said about them and they thought they could walk on water and they sort of did against Everton, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Stoke. Now they do not believe in themselves anymore and that may be because they have lost faith in themselves or because they are not good enough and Pearson got it badly wrong. All this talk about Pearson got us two promotions is ok, but it must be balanced with the undeniable fact that two seasons ago we were nailed on for automatic promotion with 17 games to go and we didn't win another match. Past history and statistics can be used for any argument, but we are nearly half way towards beating that record.
foxinsocks Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I expect the forums at all those clubs heading for relegation were like ours... with people, rightly or wrongly, (it's a debate...) asking for a change of manager. Boards then respond. But in many cases they have not bought in someone who did a better job! I think the Thais will stand byNigel - but if they don't then I hope they only twist if they are certain they have someone better.
Candidcamera Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Interesting stats but was a certain manager available who has a 100% record of keeping team up?
Clever Fox Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 Hopefully somehow we can stay in touch until january. Losing matches doesn't make Pearson a bad manager. How he reacts to the situation and deals with it will determine how good he really is. His buys in January should tell. We need proven quality not potential to survive. Losing it the other night doesn't help his position.
DB11 Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 If we lose Pearson I have no doubt in my mind that we will be relegated
Thracian Posted 4 December 2014 Posted 4 December 2014 I think we'll be relegated anyway so the question is will it be worth the risk of changing the manager and still being likely to go down or do we trust Pearson either to save the current situation or to get us back in The Premiership better prepared next season. On balance I'd say the latter but not because of anything he's done to inspire me.
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