marbelladave Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Tactics. Tactics. Tactics. I'm an unashamed NP fan but he's getting it wrong We need to play deep, defend in numbers & hit teams on the counter We need one or two of our mids to play as dedicated CDMs & cover the defence as well as tracking opposition mids runs into our box. While we're playing two mids who both have to run box-to-box we'll be exposed during games against teams who have players good enough to take their chances We're very easy to play against, we need to make it difficuly Hamer RDL Wasilewski Upson Schlupp King Cambiasso Albrighton Mahrez James Ulloa Attacking FBs providing width, 4 defensive players with the 2 CBs & CDMs provide cover That leaves 4 attacking players who can be interchangeable depending on form & (horses for courses) opposition. I'd like to see Mahrez central behind Ulloa, but that could be Nugent if we need a shift putting in against a team who plays a deep CDM who pulls their strings, in yet other games Drinkwater or Knockaert Our inability to defend in numbers & play anything other than two up top will see us relegated Nige needs to switch up the tactics & not just a token change of personnel, his loyalty & belief isn't being rewarded, so **** 'em Ok, from that I guess you think we are 'not that far away' all you have done is change the balance, instead of letting our central midfielders run box to box with our wide men 'tucked in', (as we tried to play last night) you have the central players 'holding' and the wide men pushed on. Nothing wrong with that, but the defensive midfield need to be prepared to drop back into the back 4 to replace our central defenders, who will have to cover behind the full backs if they push on. This is the modern way, push the fullbacks on and cover behind, rather than require you wide men to cover in front, though in reality you will do both, the emphasis should be on the former. It is no coincidence that our right flank has looked more secure since Wasilewski replaced Morgan on the right, he cleans up behind De Laet in a way Morgan never did. On the other hand it may be that we are now so far into a 'rut' that only a massive upheaval will sort us out. With that in mind, how about this...... Hamer Wasilewski--Moore--Konchesky De Laet--James--King--Cambiasso--Schulpp Mahrez Vardy.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Ok, from that I guess you think we are 'not that far away' all you have done is change the balance, instead of letting our central midfielders run box to box with our wide men 'tucked in', (as we tried to play last night) you have the central players 'holding' and the wide men pushed on. Nothing wrong with that, but the defensive midfield need to be prepared to drop back into the back 4 to replace our central defenders, who will have to cover behind the full backs if they push on. This is the modern way, push the fullbacks on and cover behind, rather than require you wide men to cover in front, though in reality you will do both, the emphasis should be on the former. It is no coincidence that our right flank has looked more secure since Wasilewski replaced Morgan on the right, he cleans up behind De Laet in a way Morgan never did. On the other hand it may be that we are now so far into a 'rut' that only a massive upheaval will sort us out. With that in mind, how about this...... Hamer Wasilewski--Moore--Konchesky De Laet--James--King--Cambiasso--Schulpp Mahrez Vardy. You need a stronger player than Mahrez to play in the hole. Nugent or Ulloa - less creative, but less likely to simply get muscle off the ball.
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Plenty of people have met me why don't you ask them. I have little patience for outspoken morons who think they know it all and think if they shout loudest they'll be right, I have to admit. I stand by that, could of got someone better for the money, he's not scored in months and he cost us 8 million. So no need to let it go Col. You don't have the first clue about football if you think our midfield was to blame last night, first goal we once again failed to clear a set piece and defended poorly, second goal got opened up on De Laets flank, defended poorly by Morgan, goal, third goal, after going down to 10 after another dire bit of defending, a goal keeper howler, we had 2 against their 3 in midfield and still walked out of the game with nearly 50% possession despite playing 30 minutes with 10. We aren't being "torn apart" defensively at all I somewhat wonder if you even watch the games sometimes. They had three shots on target in the entire game, Wes Morgan claiming two assists and Kasper Schmeical playing a key role for Liverpool third and the problem is the midfield lol ? You can play 8 in midfield if you want pal if your center halves are going to set up the other side, score own goals, get sent off, your keeper can't catch a ball, and our team can't deal with simple set pieces (which I believe covers the source of all six of the goals you mention) we are going to lose games and get relegated, open your eyes and look at the real problems. 4-5-1 could work for us if used correctly but there is certainly no need to implement it because our midfield has been poor they have both being playing well, our strikers (including Ulloa) are not scoring and missing simple chances and we are handing sloppy goals out, that's why we are loosing, so no nothing about your take on the current situation suggests you have anything between your ears never mind half a brain. We have conceded the second most goals in the division.. 24 in 14 games. Only QPR have conceded more (27), and you say we aren't being torn apart defensively? I think QPR also play mainly a 4-4-2?Interestingly, Sunderland have conceded 19 goals, and that included 8 in a single game and a back four containing Wes Brown and John O'Shea.... No, you are wrong IMO. Our defence needs cover. Defensively, we are getting worse, not better. At this rate, it's goodnight Vienna. Going forward..not as bad...we have scored a few more than some other sides. But still have the second worst GD in the division. You keep banging on though..the stats suggest a different story.
CPW22 Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 You need a stronger player than Mahrez to play in the hole. Nugent or Ulloa - less creative, but less likely to simply get muscle off the ball. Is Vardy good enough to play upfront on his own? The amount of times he gets the ball and lacks control is increasing. I am not against the use of Vardy, just not leading the line in the premier league. I'd make the same comments about Nuge.
6ups 6downs 2 cups Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 As has been said, we lack that premier league know how,a couple of additions in January with that experience I think we are capable of getting out of this. Main concern is that we are not picking up wins from those around us.
Monsell1976 Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 If anybody thinks the players and manager are up to standard at the minute are delusional. Poor decision making, poor results, and serious lack of confidence, on top of lack of quality in many area's. It's not all doom and gloom, with confidence we have shown we can compete in this league, but Pearson has to find that again, before it's to late. I would say he still has the boards faith, and a high percentage of fans, but the split in opinion is going against him, the longer this goes on, without results improving. I am at a loss to what's made us go from doing really well, to a team that cannot buy a result, and for me, I think Pearson is. He can take positives from games, and talk about fine margins all he likes, but if results don't improve, all the positives don't put points on the board. Not convinced he will, but I hope he turns this around, starting Sunday, because I don't want pullis in, but if results don't improve, something will have to give.
marbelladave Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 You need a stronger player than Mahrez to play in the hole. Nugent or Ulloa - less creative, but less likely to simply get muscle off the ball. We can only pick from the players that we have. Nugent works hard but achieves little creatively, Ulloa holds the ball up well enough but again is not that effective creatively, though I accept he has the potential to play the T.S.R. Mahrez was excellent second half when we went down to 10, stopped worrying about defending and was our best attacker. Played in the hole he can help Vardy press and without having to track too deep, he will give us an out ball. He is also one of the only players we have that can open up a defence.
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 We have conceded the second most goals in the division.. 24 in 14 games. Only QPR have conceded more (27), and you say we aren't being torn apart defensively? I think QPR also play mainly a 4-4-2? Interestingly, Sunderland have conceded 19 goals, and that included 8 in a single game and a back four containing Wes Brown and John O'Shea.... No, you are wrong IMO. Our defence needs cover. Defensively, we are getting worse, not better. At this rate, it's goodnight Vienna. Going forward..not as bad...we have scored a few more than some other sides. But still have the second worst GD in the division. You keep banging on though..the stats suggest a different story. Our defense does a times get opened up and they make stupid errors I am saying we don't get torn apart in midfield. I've told you I think our defense is struggling several times, read man, whats so difficult. Wes Brown and John O'Shea are extremely experienced top level defenders who have won a lot of trophies :-/ old but not past it. Our defense needs cover does it. Look at the goal's we've conceded this season mate come back and we'll have a conversation. There a ton of defensive errors and failures in dealing with set pieces in there, I say yet again, look at the real issues, you can do this by looking at where the goals come from. I've already told you where a quarter of them have come from so you're well on your way, and to help you out further we let nearly another quarter of those in before Cambiasso or James THE DEVIL INCARNATES AND REASONS WE ARE LETTING SO MANY GOALS IN had even kicked a ball for us. They don't tell it different I've told you, we're poor at the back and we don't score enough, we were scoring enough but now we aren't, or anywhere near, before the weekend we hadn't scored for 6 odd weeks , the by product of this is inevitably a poor goal difference. I dunno why your struggling with this.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Football is a confidence game and were on a bad run at the moment. Vardy's first effort pretty much summed that up. we just need one win and i think we could go on a good run. I honestly cannot envisage a "good run" coming. I think it is fairly obvious we are just not good enough for the Premiership. Having said that, I hope we can start to put some wins together, and avoid the drop.
Carlos88LCFC Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 I like this thread. We need to get behind Pearson and be singing in the stands rather than shouting abuse at him. Someone needs to call into Radio Leicester and tell Stringer the effect he's having on some of these fans and how negativity spreads like wild fire. People see him as the voice of the club as he is the one whos doing the commentry and doing the phone ins etc but he's causing most the negativity. If I was a player playing for Leicester City right now I would be annoyed with how certain fans are booing and giving abuse. They are giving it their bollocks out there and what will booing solve? It will just make the younger players we have in our squad (pretty much all of the best ones INCLUDING Kasper) Implode. Pearson pulled us out of league one and has had us knocking on the door of the Premiership since! Now he has got us here you want him out! I personally am ashamed for you!
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Our defense does a times get opened up and they make stupid errors I am saying we don't get torn apart in midfield. I've told you I think our defense is struggling several times, read man, whats so difficult. Wes Brown and John O'Shea are extremely experienced top level defenders who have won a lot of trophies :-/ old but not past it. Our defense needs cover does it. Look at the goal's we've conceded this season mate come back and we'll have a conversation. There a ton of defensive errors and failures in dealing with set pieces in there, I say yet again, look at the real issues, you can do this by looking at where the goals come from. I've already told you where a quarter of them have come from so you're well on your way, and to help you out further we let nearly another quarter of those in before Cambiasso or James THE DEVIL INCARNATES AND REASONS WE ARE LETTING SO MANY GOALS IN had even kicked a ball for us. They don't tell it different I've told you, we're poor at the back and we don't score enough, we were scoring enough but now we aren't, or anywhere near, before the weekend we hadn't scored for 6 odd weeks , the by product of this is inevitably a poor goal difference. I dunno why your struggling with this. So, what would you do? What would Nigel do? I can only guess the latter. We, in your opinion, have a very shaky back four. Borne out by the facts. You agree? You've stated certain facts yourself have you not.Therefore, we either coach them to be better defenders (surely this is being done, if not, why have coaches?), or we buy a whole new back five? Highly unlikely I would suggest. Or, (and you know where I'm going with this), we PROTECT THEM... I want City to win, I guess you do too. Why then would you consider playing in a way where they are the second biggest conceders of goals in the league? Why would you want to keep on with the flat 4-4-2, where Cambiasso and James ( according to many others as well as me), don't track back enough and don't give our shaky defence more help? Why not? I tell you why not..cos you aint thought it through have you? I've thought it through. I stated thats what i'd do over the summer. And who I'd try to get in to do it. What have you done? Taken the pee (called people 'half brains) and considered literally no solutions whatsoever. As i said yesterday, try harder. Edit..Brown and OShea are shite and probably the reason Poyet plays Cattermole in front of them. With one exception so far, its not working badly.
Jon the Hat Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Has anyone asked Super Kev to gets his boots on? If he could get fit...
EnglishOxide Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 I'm with you. We do have quality. You don't beat United 5-3 (and Pearson outclassed LvG in terms of tactics there), Stoke 1-0 away, get draws with Everton and Arsenal and perform very well against Chelsea without having quality. The quality is there. It's just for a number of reasons the results aren't going our way. One is the formation change to the diamond which Pearson has already rectified and learnt from. The other is players not putting away decent chances. Vardy and Nugent have not been clinical at all whilst Cambiasso has missed some glaring opportunities. Results will come. We as fans always look for a solution (buy new players, sack the manager) when actually the only thing we should be doing is delivering an atmosphere at home to help drive the team to earn some points. An area which has been painfully lacking since the United game.
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 So, what would you do? What would Nigel do? I can only guess the latter. We, in your opinion, have a very shaky back four. Borne out by the facts. You agree? You've stated certain facts yourself have you not. Therefore, we either coach them to be better defenders (surely this is being done, if not, why have coaches?), or we buy a whole new back? Highly unlikely I would suggest. Or, (and you know where I'm going with this), we PROTECT THEM... I want City to win, I guess you do too. Why then would you consider playing in a way where they are the second biggest conceders of goals in the league? Why would you want to keep on with the flat 4-4-2, where Cambiasso and James ( according to many others as well as me), don't track back enough and don't give our shaky defence more help? Why not? I tell you why not..cos you aint thought it through have you? I've thought it through. I stated thats what i'd do over the summer. And who I'd try to get in to do it. What have you done? Taken the pee (called people 'half brains) and considered literally no solutions whatsoever. As i said yesterday, try harder. Yeah but we also need to support our strikers who can't score in a brothel at the moment either so it's swings are roundabouts. You isolate Ulloa and the few goals we are scoring are going to dry up completely and we'll go back to losing 1 or 2 nil like we were when we were trying to pack the middle of the park out with the diamond. Because it's a myth that they "don't track back enough" you're given no statistics or examples to prove otherwise! I've just told you without even having to think about it that the last 6 goals were all individual defensive error or set plays and 5 went in before either of them had even played a game! Without even thinking Col, without even thinking Cambiasso's own goal when Morgan kicked it against him is another piece of shit defending (Please note, the man who never tracks back, in the box) and one of Palace's was a set play, so that's 13 of your 24 now. for the 6th time, open your eyes and look at the real problem. You've thought it through did you and the best you can come up with is Lee Cattermole , that's a lot time and dead brain cells you're never getting back and judging by your continued rambling you really could of done with them. As I've said yesterday prefer to understand the game as opposed to try and pretend I know how to tactically organise a professional football team unlike you, I make a few suggestions where I see fit but working out how to fix a failing football team is difficult and there is a reason why people are paid a lot of money to do so. You are showing you can't effectively see what's going around you so what makes you think you've all the answers I don't know. Your attempting to tell us you know how to fix the team when you can't even see what's wrong with the team. Your trying to run before you can fcking crawl. But as I've stated in other threads, Simpson could sure things up a bit, I think Albrighton would be a better alternative to Jeffrey and I'm starting to think going back to Nugent/Ulloa and sticking with it might be our best option. But unfortunately no matter what we do Colin, this division is going to be a struggle as the players are no world beaters we will have issues conceding playing 4-4-2 and have issues scoring 4-5-1.
kingfox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 For me we only have a collect few who are capable of starting, some of our starters at the minute for me like Konchesky, Schlupp & Vardy especially are good squad players at this level, but aren't necessarily good enough to start week in week out. I'm sure most fans thought, that a lot of our players were going to be capable of making the step up, but looking at players on our bench as well, players like Drinkwater, King, Nugent could be good squad players at this level, but at this moment in time are not good enough to start. We lack quality in key areas, we need better.
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 For me we only have a collect few who are capable of starting, some of our starters at the minute for me like Konchesky, Schlupp & Vardy especially are good squad players at this level, but aren't necessarily good enough to start week in week out. I'm sure most fans thought, that a lot of our players were going to be capable of making the step up, but looking at players on our bench as well, players like Drinkwater, King, Nugent could be good squad players at this level, but at this moment in time are not good enough to start. We lack quality in key areas, we need better. Koncheskys actually done better than De Laet, this season, if you ask me. The three times Morgan has dropped a complete bollock be it causing Cambiasso's OG scoring one himself or passing the ball direct to Gerrard it's because he's been taken out of his comfort zone as we're being attacked down De Laets flank. I like Richie but he's struggling I think. I think Garbier Obertan was playing left wing and broke down De Laets empty flank to score for Newcastle and obviously Eden Hazard made him look a complete mug at Stamford Bridge.
kingfox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Koncheskys actually done better than De Laet, this season, if you ask me. The three times Morgan has dropped a complete bollock be it causing Cambiasso's OG scoring one himself or passing the ball direct to Gerrard it's because he's been taken out of his comfort zone as we're being attacked down De Laets flank. I like Richie but he's struggling I think. I think Garbier Obertan was playing left wing and broke down De Laets empty flank to score for Newcastle and obviously Eden Hazard made him look a complete mug at Stamford Bridge. I agree, think De Laet has been atrocious at times. Konchesky has done consistently well, bar a few mistakes but for me he isn't the type of player, we should be playing week in week out. Most wingers have took De Laet for a complete mug, we have Simpson a player with Premier League experience who doesn't get a look in, little things like that are frustrating me at the minute.
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