Formula 1 2015

[Brainy]

I dunno, he clearly got quite emotional just before it, be a bit weird if he went straight from emotional/head in hands thinking then straight to troll mode.

[fuchsntf]

Its amazing what people see in, one incident... capthrowgate.

Personally I couldnt care, what both had in their heads.

Roseberg, and Hamilton are two damn good racers, who try their best, both driving the top 2 cars.

Thats what counts, they do something that would scare the shit out of most people, this aint speeding on the M1..!!

Just think, about the incident...Hamilton highly emotional after winning his 3rd title, do you think he was thinking anything

at that moment, definitly, not how can I bug Nico....Utter crap!!!

Just a twat on Skys F1, programme, trying to keep his job.

[Carl the Llama]

Its amazing what people see in, one incident... capthrowgate.

Personally I couldnt care, what both had in their heads.

Roseberg, and Hamilton are two damn good racers, who try their best, both driving the top 2 cars.

Thats what counts, they do something that would scare the shit out of most people, this aint speeding on the M1..!!

Just think, about the incident...Hamilton highly emotional after winning his 3rd title, do you think he was thinking anything

at that moment, definitly, not how can I bug Nico....Utter crap!!!

Just a twat on Skys F1, programme, trying to keep his job.

#FreeTheCommas #CommaLivesMatterToo

[fuchsntf]

#FreeTheCommas #CommaLivesMatterToo

Scheisser, thought they were hairs on my screen.

I sing alot while typing....Comma, Comma, Commmmmma , Chameleon

[foxes_rule1978]

Hamilton is a world class British sporting hero, to have someone especially from his background produce what he is doing should be commended by all in this country. It is rare we genuinely get a true world class sportsmen. It seems to be a trend in this country to analyse everything about those that have talent, rather than appreciate what is rare here, he could genuinely become the greatest. Alonso is the only driver I would put on Hamiltons level on the grid

[The Horse's Mouth]

[Jimothy]

If you disagree, put a counter argument in rather than a emoji. Otherwise we've can only presume you can't argue against what he said. I mean what does mean in response to that post, what he said isn't that outrageous.

[The Horse's Mouth]

It is, suggesting Hamilton could be better than the likes of Schumi,Prost and Senna is actually insulting.

[Brainy]

is this the bit where somebody makes him look like a total mug and then he falls back on his "im only winding you up" line?

 

 

 

So why can't he be better than them?

[Jimothy]

It is, suggesting Hamilton could be better than the likes of Schumi,Prost and Senna is actually insulting.

Well ****ing say that then for Christ sake.

If he wins more titles then he'll put himself close to them, but it's a different era of the sport, people can't drive like the likes of Senna and Prost any more. I agree as racers none of the current crop match up to the guys from 20-25 years ago, but in terms of abilty, wins etc, he's right up there, as is Vettel. He's the only driver on the grid that's won a race in every season he's been in F1, so to suggest he's mile off being one of the top drivers of all time is ridiculous itself.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Well ****ing say that then for Christ sake.

If he wins more titles then he'll put himself close to them, but it's a different era of the sport, people can't drive like the likes of Senna and Prost any more. I agree as racers none of the current crop match up to the guys from 20-25 years ago, but in terms of abilty, wins etc, he's right up there, as is Vettel. He's the only driver on the grid that's won a race in every season he's been in F1, so to suggest he's mile off being one of the top drivers of all time is ridiculous itself.

It's pretty ****ing obvious what was wrong with that statement

His titles haven't been at all impressive though, he's had no competition for his past two titles. In seasons where he's been on a level playing field with the competition, he's bottled it time and time again. Quality over quantity, even if this Merc reign of terror continues and Hamilton matches Schumi's record. He still won't be considered on Schumi's level and that's just fact, in the same way Vettel isn't considered to be on Prost's level

[Jimothy]

It's pretty ****ing obvious what was wrong with that statement

His titles haven't been at all impressive though, he's had no competition for his past two titles. In seasons where he's been on a level playing field with the competition, he's bottled it time and time again. Quality over quantity, even if this Merc reign of terror continues and Hamilton matches Schumi's record. He still won't be considered on Schumi's level and that's just fact, in the same way Vettel isn't considered to be on Prost's level

Schumacher won 5 on the bounce with barely a sniff of anyone challenging him. He also won one by blatantly cheating in the final race, and nearly won another the same way. Yet people still class him as the undisputed greatest.

Since his first title Hamilton hasn't had a car that's truely been of championship challenging quality, by has still won at least one race in every season, something you chose to ignore, and something that also shows he's far from a bottler.

At the end of the day the combination of best car and driver wins the title. Whether that's third best driver in the best car, or best driver in the second best car or whatever. He's not some talentless schmuk in the fastest car, his victories in an inferior car in previous seasons prove that.

See now we're having a discussion and I'm getting my point across. But obviously is a better way of doing that.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Schumacher won 5 on the bounce with barely a sniff of anyone challenging him. He also won one by blatantly cheating in the final race, and nearly won another the same way. Yet people still class him as the undisputed greatest.

Since his first title Hamilton hasn't had a car that's truely been of championship challenging quality, by has still won at least one race in every season, something you chose to ignore, and something that also shows he's far from a bottler.

At the end of the day the combination of best car and driver wins the title. Whether that's third best driver in the best car, or best driver in the second best car or whatever. He's not some talentless schmuk in the fastest car, his victories in an inferior car in previous seasons prove that.

See now we're having a discussion and I'm getting my point across. But obviously is a better way of doing that.

I didn't chose to ignore it, I just don't think it's particularly relevant. It's not as if he's been driving Sauber's and working his way up the ladder. He started with a very good and established team, which were still reasonably competitive before he even left. I'm not discrediting that achievement either, I just don't think it really is relevant in what we're talking about here. I'm not discrediting the idea that Hamilton is a good, even great driver. The problem I have is putting him on a pedestal with what is basically the mount rushmore figures of F1 without anything in his career really standing out to put him on the level of Prost or Senna or Schumi or anybody in the same bracket. 

[Jimothy]

I didn't chose to ignore it, I just don't think it's particularly relevant. It's not as if he's been driving Sauber's and working his way up the ladder. He started with a very good and established team, which were still reasonably competitive before he even left. I'm not discrediting that achievement either, I just don't think it really is relevant in what we're talking about here. I'm not discrediting the idea that Hamilton is a good, even great driver. The problem I have is putting him on a pedestal with what is basically the mount rushmore figures of F1 without anything in his career really standing out to put him on the level of Prost or Senna or Schumi or anybody in the same bracket.

But nobody is, people are talking about the possibility of him joining that elite. He's 30, has years left and it's very likely he'll win more titles. People are asking if he'll one day become a legend of the sport. To discuss if he can do that you have to discuss whether he has the potential and in doing so will end up talking about how good he is.

[The Horse's Mouth]

But nobody is, people are talking about the possibility of him joining that elite. He's 30, has years left and it's very likely he'll win more titles. People are asking if he'll one day become a legend of the sport. To discuss if he can do that you have to discuss whether he has the potential and in doing so will end up talking about how good he is.

No, the original comment said him being the greatest, not slotting into the elite.

[Brainy]

I didn't chose to ignore it, I just don't think it's particularly relevant. It's not as if he's been driving Sauber's and working his way up the ladder. He started with a very good and established team, which were still reasonably competitive before he even left. I'm not discrediting that achievement either, I just don't think it really is relevant in what we're talking about here. I'm not discrediting the idea that Hamilton is a good, even great driver. The problem I have is putting him on a pedestal with what is basically the mount rushmore figures of F1 without anything in his career really standing out to put him on the level of Prost or Senna or Schumi or anybody in the same bracket. 

 

And there was a reason he started with a well established team, and McLaren were proved right in giving him a chance. I see you chose to ignore Facecloth's comment though on Schumachers titles in the early 2000s ! Other times when he's had competition he's bottled it!?! 2007? First season and first possibilty of winning a title, call it what you like but its understandable how he might screw up somehow against someone i'm sure you'd say is light years ahead of Hamilton and the two time/current champion at the time? 2012 he could have won it had he not retired from p1 about 3/4 times in the last 8 races through absolutely no fault of his own. 2010 I can't remember, 2011/2013 I don't recall him having much of a chance. Probably because he bottled it though eh

[Jimothy]

No, the original comment said him being the greatest, not slotting into the elite.

Said he COULD become the greatest. If you going to talk about joining the elite, you have to discuss if he could become the greatest. If he's joining that elite he's staking a claim to that position also.

F1 is always going to a subjective sport. People will always tag victories to the car rather than the man, especially if doing so fits you're perception of that particular driver, but if we can't talk about a 30 year old 3 time world champion (who has actually won his third at a younger age than Schumacher) as potentially being the greatest in the future then there's something wrong.

[The Horse's Mouth]

 

Said he COULD become the greatest. If you going to talk about joining the elite, you have to discuss if he could become the greatest. If he's joining that elite he's staking a claim to that position also.

F1 is always going to a subjective sport. People will always tag victories to the car rather than the man, especially if doing so fits you're perception of that particular driver, but if we can't talk about a 30 year old 3 time world champion (who has actually won his third at a younger age than Schumacher) as potentially being the greatest in the future then there's something wrong.

It's not about tagging the car to the man and didn't you just do that with Schumi anyway? It's just that nothing really stands out in Hamilton's CV to show signs of him being the greatest to my definition at least. I don't think age is the best way of saying that stat, Schumi took 9 to win 3 whereas Hamilton took 8. But if you ignore the Jordan season, then they're pretty much level in that regard with pretty similar seasons actually. But I don't think anyone considers Schumi the actual greatest anyway unless you're a die hard ferrari fan and the greatest will always be subjective I guess, like you say. Although, I'll say this I can't see him reaching 7 but that's just me.

[Jimothy]

It's not about tagging the car to the man and didn't you just do that with Schumi anyway? It's just that nothing really stands out in Hamilton's CV to show signs of him being the greatest to my definition at least. I don't think age is the best way of saying that stat, Schumi took 9 to win 3 whereas Hamilton took 8. But if you ignore the Jordan season, then they're pretty much level in that regard with pretty similar seasons actually. But I don't think anyone considers Schumi the actual greatest anyway unless you're a die hard ferrari fan and the greatest will always be subjective I guess, like you say. Although, I'll say this I can't see him reaching 7 but that's just me.

But you see now why it's such a subjective subject, it's not really that outrageous that by someone else's definition that Hamilton could become the greatest, and isn't really a reply when someone makes a point that doesn't fit exactly with what you think. We might not agree on this ever, but this is a hell of a lot more interesting than which is reply I'd expect if someone suggested Danny Simpson was the greatest footballer ever.

Anyway for me Hamilton has a little way to go to join the elite and certainly further the to be the greatest, but he's very good. Certainly the in the top two drivers currently on the grid, along with Alonso. If he wins another two or three titles in the next 4 or 5 years then, especially with Ferrari closing the gap, I don't think you'd be able to argue against the fact he's one of the greatest ever.

[The Horse's Mouth]

But you see now why it's such a subjective subject, it's not really that outrageous that by someone else's definition that Hamilton could become the greatest, and isn't really a reply when someone makes a point that doesn't fit exactly with what you think. We might not agree on this ever, but this is a hell of a lot more interesting than which is reply I'd expect if someone suggested Danny Simpson was the greatest footballer ever.

Anyway for me Hamilton has a little way to go to join the elite and certainly further the to be the greatest, but he's very good. Certainly the in the top two drivers currently on the grid, along with Alonso. If he wins another two or three titles in the next 4 or 5 years then, especially with Ferrari closing the gap, I don't think you'd be able to argue against the fact he's one of the greatest ever.

It was just more my initial reaction, I just didn't see it coming. Obviously we both of our biases towards Hamilton and even me playing devil's advocate it's still way too premature to bang on about him genuinely could be the greatest, but that's just me. Honestly hope he gets some competition, would love Nico to find his confidence but I think he's probably been massa'd sadly. Really would love to see Vettel and Hamilton showdown for the title next year if Ferrari actually manage two successful seasons in a row.

[Jimothy]

It was just more my initial reaction, I just didn't see it coming. Obviously we both of our biases towards Hamilton and even me playing devil's advocate it's still way too premature to bang on about him genuinely could be the greatest, but that's just me. Honestly hope he gets some competition, would love Nico to find his confidence but I think he's probably been massa'd sadly. Really would love to see Vettel and Hamilton showdown for the title next year if Ferrari actually manage two successful seasons in a row.

Surely by definition of the word it's never too early to discuss potential. And anyway like I said earlier if you can't speculate whether a 3 time world champion at the age of 30 in sport where you can win titles into your mid to late 30's can go on to surpass all others then somethings wrong. People have speculated at Man City's potential to be one of the biggest and best football teams in Europe recently, but they've barely shown they're close to that in recent years, with poor European performances. But there's nothing wrong with speculating, because they clearly have the potential to do just that, even if they haven't got close to those levels yet.

[fuchsntf]

Well ****ing say that then for Christ sake.

If he wins more titles then he'll put himself close to them, but it's a different era of the sport, people can't drive like the likes of Senna and Prost any more. I agree as racers none of the current crop match up to the guys from 20-25 years ago, but in terms of abilty, wins etc, he's right up there, as is Vettel. He's the only driver on the grid that's won a race in every season he's been in F1, so to suggest he's mile off being one of the top drivers of all time is ridiculous itself.

I belong to the older generation, so let me say something, to this and future younger generations.

Dont ever believe this crap above...

The stars in today sports are just as good as any in any generation.

Like life sports develope, and evolves , the challenges in motorsport, depend on the technical advancements,

successes and even failures. Whether some supporter or peripheral person dislikes a particular individual is often bias, and not on a sporting platform, or how that individual sportman compliments his sport.Too many people love better criticising than complimenting.

I am a person who doesnt or never has idolised anybody. In my sports I have had good coaches, great teammates, and even better peers. Has a fan, supporter, or follower of many sports, I have had my favourites over 55 years, but not 1 has stood out

to say he/she/team is the 'best ever I have ever seen'.

In F1, or the older equivilant, even on motorbikes Fango, Surtees, Clark,Mike Hailwood,AgostiniGraham Hill , then Prost, Senna, and Schumacher, all great names could only be the best, for the season/era they were winning champions.

To football, Pele, Maradonna, Messi, Ronaldo,Charlton, Riva, Banks, Shilton, Kahn, Riva, Yashin,

For me... great W.Class, but the best ever,...naaaaa never !!!

Could Messi, or Pele play regularly at CB, or fullback.

Could Fango, Clark handle todays F1 sport, and Visa versa for Schumacher, Hamilton, Senna, yesterdays cars,

and under more threat of accidents and catastrophies.

One thing is for sure todays sports stars, are not behind, or poorer in technic than past heroes.

for the season they were winners...thats how it is

[Jimothy]

I belong to the older generation, so let me say something, to this and future younger generations.

Dont ever believe this crap above...

The stars in today sports are just as good as any in any generation.

Like life sports develope, and evolves , the challenges in motorsport, depend on the technical advancements,

successes and even failures. Whether some supporter or peripheral person dislikes a particular individual is often bias, and not on a sporting platform, or how that individual sportman compliments his sport.Too many people love better criticising than complimenting.

I am a person who doesnt or never has idolised anybody. In my sports I have had good coaches, great teammates, and even better peers. Has a fan, supporter, or follower of many sports, I have had my favourites over 55 years, but not 1 has stood out

to say he/she/team is the 'best ever I have ever seen'.

In F1, or the older equivilant, even on motorbikes Fango, Surtees, Clark,Mike Hailwood,AgostiniGraham Hill , then Prost, Senna, and Schumacher, all great names could only be the best, for the season/era they were winning champions.

To football, Pele, Maradonna, Messi, Ronaldo,Charlton, Riva, Banks, Shilton, Kahn, Riva, Yashin,

For me... great W.Class, but the best ever,...naaaaa never !!!

Could Messi, or Pele play regularly at CB, or fullback.

Could Fango, Clark handle todays F1 sport, and Visa versa for Schumacher, Hamilton, Senna, yesterdays cars,

and under more threat of accidents and catastrophies.

One thing is for sure todays sports stars, are not behind, or poorer in technic than past heroes.

for the season they were winners...thats how it is

Charming. I stopped when you called my post crap because you clearly didn't understand or read it properly.

The sport has changed, they don't race like they used too. So you can't compare today's drivers as racers to the ones of old. But if you'd read my post properly you'll see that I said he can become one of the greatest, it'll just be different.

I'm like you, I can't stand nostalgic prats who can't appreciate the greatness of today's sporting stars. Who'll always hark back to the days others weren't alive to witness so kind of beat you down with what they believe is some kind of nostalgic supierioity.

[Amin]

The place is packed. Should be a lot of crowd noise during the race, particularly if Perez gets involved in some action.

[Jimothy]

The place is packed. Should be a lot of crowd noise during the race, particularly if Perez gets involved in some action.

Not seen much of this weekend, and don't know much about the new layout of the track. Does the track go under the baseball stadium or something?

Edit: I've seen the stadium section now.