Raj Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 Done- Comments were- LEAVE IT AS IT IS. FCUK STANDING ARES!!! Actually Tis was this- Understandably many people may now be used to sitting down but alot will still want to stand and watch the games. They should have the option. The majority of games with standing prior to the Hillsborough Disaster all went along fine so safety issues should be of minimal concern,as long as the right precautions are taken,which with Health and Safety being as it is,shouldn't be a problem. So to summarise,YES bring back standing to areas of Stadiums!
Blue Fox Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/b...bctid1250573705 Let us stand you miserable yellow coats, get back to Maplins - Hi de Hi .
Floating Fox Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 Nice one Raj, Will do one after my driving lesson which is now!
Daggers Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 It's not 1985. I thought I'd start by stating the obvious because that is what this debate is all about: Thanks to television scheduling (your bad, Sky), pricing policies, all-seater stadia and the pandering to overpaid players the atmosphere has been sucked out of the grounds. Vocal fans have been replaced with those prepared to pay £3.00 for a bottle of weak lager. Stand up and sing? The only thing that people are allowed to stand for now is the queue to get to their cars fifteen minutes before the match finishes. That, and the queue for the half-time balti pie that starts forming 30 minutes into the game due to the lack of desire to sit in the stadium listening to the flutter of leaves and the odd punt of a football. Critics bemoan the reaction of the crowd to Owen's substitution at Wembley and fail to realise that this is simply the natural progression for hundreds of thousands of supporters that feel deeply betrayed by their sport, cheated by media companies and ignored by their clubs. In a way, England fans were not booing McClaren or Lampard...they were booing the fact that they were swallowing another slice of negativity. Attendances continue to slip, games thrown onto a Sunday and prices continue to rise and none of us are allowed to do anything about it. Standing at the back of grounds effects no body and causing a vocal element to bring in some badly needed atmosphere. Stewards make the Leicester Kop sit down and shut up while visiting fans are allowed to do what the hell they like. It's ridiculous. For me it is the final straw in season upon season where I feel as though all the fun from football has steadily been taken away. Give me a safe standing area like they have in Germany, give me the chance to indulge myself in some homo-erotic frottage and chanting. Give me back my game - or get used to having one less season ticket's worth of income next season Leicester. I want to stand. It didn't appear on the Sky site...how long did yours take Raj?
Raj Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 It didn't appear on the Sky site...how long did yours take Raj? It came up after about 30 mins
Floating Fox Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 <a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/b...bctid1250573705" target="_blank">http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/b...bctid1250573705</a>Let us stand you miserable yellow coats, get back to Maplins - Hi de Hi . Guess you mean This! Footage from our game vs them last week.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 Excellent writing Dave. I like the idea of pursuing that McClaren/Lampard booing situation further. The idea perhaps that the football match is now just a small part of the football way of life. It used to be the centrepiece and focus of the week. These days it seems to me that the recriminations and over-analysis of the game are enjoyed more by some people than the match itself. That may seem like a separate issue but I think it ties in with the standing debate. The television companies and the football clubs don't care who pays their money as long as somebody does. Increasingly these days it is likely to be those who can afford it rather than those who care most passionately about their club and the game. What incentive do football clubs have to redress this balance? As long as they are getting their money, do they really care who is giving it to them and how they behave when they are getting what they paid for?
Floating Fox Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 It's on SSN now :w00t: Some of your emails/comments will be read out! Someone please tell me whats happening....Damn Virgin bastards!
Daggers Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 Well - it seems like "live debate" is on as long as no one mentions Sky being in any way partially responsible for the death of the game. That's a shame because I could put up an equally good argument that Sky Sports simply reflects the desires of a changing demographic and so they should be big enough to take a couple of asides. We don't come from a lineage of miners and dockers anymore, our apprentices don't risk contracting a coal-dust inspired lung disease while working a late shift to make ends meet. No more sepia pictures of shoe-less ragamuffins kicking a distressed brown leather ball up and down a terrace street. The terrace got demolished ages ago to make an out of town shopping complex, the kids have Nike and Asbos and their parents holiday abroad twice a year. Frank Lampard went to a sodding public school ~ we have no working class heroes because we have no working class...sociologically, we skip right from Middle Class to the chavscum nevergoingtowork underclass. The attitude of wanting to excel on the pitch has been replaced by a desire to marry a vapid pop-tart and meet Royalty. Society doesn't go to church, football fans don't chant in the kop - Great Britain is not great...we only exist to shop.
Floating Fox Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 It didn't appear on the Sky site...how long did yours take Raj? Try sending it to SSN [email protected] Flood the barstards!
Simi Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 Try sending it to SSN[email protected] Flood the barstards! I'll get mine in later when I'm back from the gym, and get a better post in here. Thanks to those who've emailed so far, good day this is for the campaign. *Bump*
Joe. Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 Well at least the idea is at least getting some more public attention. Who knows with enough interest what could happen?
Daggers Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 Thanks to those who've emailed so far, good day this is for the campaign. The trouble is: a) There's no votes in it so there'll be no political will from the government. Middle England doesn't like hooligans b) There's no money being stumped up to pay for the conversions of stadia (if the law permitted it) so club owners don't care about it The only reason it's getting airtime is for the same reason this forum is quiet - International fortnight. Watch it drop like a brick from the agenda as soon as football resumes.
Trumpet Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 It's ridiculous. I've never had the chance to stand at a game, well, I have, but not been able to stand without being told to sit down or knowing that im ALLOWED to stand. You go to gigs, it's mostly all standing. It's alot more dangerous there, for example, pillars in the building you can smash into, you could get caught up and fall over and be trampled on. How long will it be until all gigs are seated? Was happy when i sat eating my cookie crisp infront of SSN this morning, seeing this report and the footage from last weeks match. Lets just hope something comes of it, it looks promising anyway with the report highlighting the idea of standing sections. If standing was organised and controlled, surely nothing along the lines of the Hillsborough disaster would happen again? I mean, for 10,20,30 years, or even since football began, the crowds would stand. Lets just hope it happens!
Daggers Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 If standing was organised and controlled, surely nothing along the lines of the Hillsborough disaster would happen again? I mean, for 10,20,30 years, or even since football began, the crowds would stand.Lets just hope it happens! I don't believe it will happen until more people boycott their clubs - money is the only motivator in the modern game...and I think people are simply too apathetic to do anything. I think back to games I used to go to in Colombia - a steward would have had a great time trying to get people to sit down! :laugh:
Simi Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 The money thing is a huge thing Daggers, I agree. Problem is, football clubs know how much the club means to the fans, meaning they can't stay away long enough to make a lasting impression. SUSD has been making good progress lately. With people like David James and Ray Wilkins backing safe standing, it can only help. But the campaign really needs them to come out and put there mouth about where it matters and maybe sponsor them. I noticed in the footage that the anti standing argument still stands behind Hillsborough, which is the only thing they have to back themselves up. Yes, it was a horrific disaster, but as a lot of people know, it wasn't entirely down to standing.
Simi Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 TalkingBalls weren't as keen. Rather stay seated. I'm not old enough to remember the standing so i don't really care. I assume it's the same for most my age. He's 21. I do think seating has made it harder to be a football hooligan / racist in a ground because the individual can be identified through their purchasing of the seat together with cctv footage. dont really see the problem with seating Fair enough, they don't agree, also have no problem with seating. But the idea isn't to make grounds all with standing, just designated areas, which wont disrupt the people that want to sit.
potter3 Posted 15 October 2007 Posted 15 October 2007 I do think seating has made it harder to be a football hooligan / racist in a ground because the individual can be identified through their purchasing of the seat together with cctv footage. Thats bullshit anyway, since when have "hooligans" sat in their designated seat?
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