Matt Posted 27 February 2008 Posted 27 February 2008 LONDON (AFP) — The fate of Leeds United's appeal against a 15-point penalty imposed over the club's handling of its bankruptcy last year looks set to be placed in the hands of a senior judge.Club chairman Ken Bates revealed on Wednesday that the Football League, responding to a legal writ from Leeds, had offered to seek a resolution of the dispute through an arbitration panel comprised of a Court of Appeal judge, a representative from the club and one from the league. The development will raise hopes among supporters that the points penalty will be either reduced or overturned, which would boost the club's prospects of securing promotion from League One, the third tier of English football, to the Championship. Bates took Leeds into administration in May once it became clear that they was going to be relegated then bought the club back from the administrators in August. The League ruled that the move constituted a serious breach of its rules governing the insolvency of clubs and ruled that Leeds should start the season with a 15-point deficit. Leeds maintain the penalty was unfair and/or excessive and issued a High Court writ to that effect last month. Bates welcomed the offer of arbitration although he would not commit himself to withdrawing the writ. "What makes me laugh is that it has taken six months to get to this position, six months in which the League have refused to discuss the matter with us," the former Chelsea chairman told the Yorkshire Post. "Only now, with the writ having been issued, do they instruct their lawyers to come back to us. "It is a long overdue development and the pleasing thing from our point of view is that a Court of Appeal judge will hear it." Leeds, who were Champions League semi-finalists only eight years ago, are currently ninth in League One, five points off the final promotion play-off place. If they had not had the 15 point deduction they would be second in the table and on track for automatic promotion. Get over the fooker So surly if Leeds do get away with it and the 15 point deduction is withdrawn other clubs will just do the same and the points deduction's will become a farce, Will Luton have there point deduction given back? I am 100% against points deduction's we were their and it's not nice, we luckly missed out on a points deduction and I don't see how going into administration helps you on the field for one minute, BUT apparently we were the only team in the whole of the football league to vote against point deduction's every other club were in favour. All I can say is what goes around comes around. And the fact that it's Leeds and everyone wants to see them suffer!
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 Get over the fooker So surly if Leeds do get away with it and the 15 point deduction is withdrawn other clubs will just do the same and the points deduction's will become a farce, Will Luton have there point deduction given back? I am 100% against points deduction's we were their and it's not nice, we luckly missed out on a points deduction and I don't see how going into administration helps you on the field for one minute, BUT apparently we were the only team in the whole of the football league to vote against point deduction's every other club were in favour. All I can say is what goes around comes around. And the fact that it's Leeds and everyone wants to see them suffer! You aren't half a clown sometimes. Leeds point deduction has absloutley nothing to do with them going into adminstration.
Shrenchel Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 I think it's gunna turn into a bit a circus if decisons like this that the football league make can be overturned by a judge, but..... I really don't agree with points deductions, but.... I really do hate Leeds. Difficult
andyh1884 Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 Let them have them back, at the rate they're going they'll still not make the play-offs, they're in free-fall
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 Let them have them back, at the rate they're going they'll still not make the play-offs, they're in free-fall Super Alan SHHUSSSHHHH!!!!
Finnegan Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 Before I ask, I should stress I happily admit I know nothing about this sort of law and wasn't paying much attention when Leeds WERE given a points deduction. However, weren't Leeds only permitted to be IN the Football League on the agreement that they'd have a fifteen point deduction? If the deduction's over ruled, are the football league not in a position to sort of... throw them out? Is this not rather much like biting the hand that feeds?
The People's Hero Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 Before I ask, I should stress I happily admit I know nothing about this sort of law and wasn't paying much attention when Leeds WERE given a points deduction.However, weren't Leeds only permitted to be IN the Football League on the agreement that they'd have a fifteen point deduction? If the deduction's over ruled, are the football league not in a position to sort of... throw them out? Is this not rather much like biting the hand that feeds? Yeah it is. But it's Leeds. They aren't exactly going to act reasonably. Hopefully they continue to take our shi tters on emergency loan and end up outside the play offs.
Matt Posted 28 February 2008 Author Posted 28 February 2008 You aren't half a clown sometimes.Leeds point deduction has absloutley nothing to do with them going into adminstration. Sorry, Only going on what i've read or what has been reported; The club are campaigning for a review of the FA's decision to deduct 15 points from them at the start of the season after going into administration as they do not believe they were given a fair hearing. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28112007/58/...egal-fight.html The 15-point penalty was imposed on the Yorkshire club in August by the League who claimed they had not properly followed insolvency policy.It followed the deduction of 10 points after the club went into administration following relegation to League One in May last year. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779 "However, it is acknowledged the club did go into administration and has been unable to comply with the terms of the League's well-established insolvency policy."As a result, the board determined this transfer of membership should be subject to Leeds United having a 15-point deduction applicable from the beginning of the 2007/08 season. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...ufnleeds103.xml Leeds, who were relegated after being deducted 10 points in May for going into administration, were hit with the further15-point penalty in August for what the League board considered to be a failure to follow insolvency policy. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Exclu...ffer.3818816.jp The Yorkshire club served a writ on the Football League last week in a bid to get their points penalty for breaking competition rules on administration overturned. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779 Can find many other links aswell if needed, as I said i'm not a Leeds fan, I don't quite know the ins and outs of this matter but how I read and understand it is that Leeds went into administration, got given the option of accept a 15 point deduction or your out of the league and now their moaning and going to court about it. As for the odd "insolvancy" quotes i've posted it still stems around administration, money toubles, e.t.c. What an idiot I am for reading and believing all these quotes
Brainy Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 Whether they deserve them back or not, it's not right messing with the other teams fighting for the automatic promotion spot, especially if they get them back after the season has finished.
Benji Posted 28 February 2008 Posted 28 February 2008 Whether they deserve them back or not, it's not right messing with the other teams fighting for the automatic promotion spot, especially if they get them back after the season has finished. Not sure how that would be justified if it was in the season. I agree at the end would be wrong, but if a judge found that they shouldn't have been deducted any points, they have to count... they wont be given any kind of advantage, they've earned their wins as much as all the other teams up there.
accessory Posted 29 February 2008 Posted 29 February 2008 Whether they deserve them back or not, it's not right messing with the other teams fighting for the automatic promotion spot, especially if they get them back after the season has finished. If they do get the points back, it'll be the league's fault, not theirs.
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 February 2008 Posted 29 February 2008 Sorry, Only going on what i've read or what has been reported;http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28112007/58/...egal-fight.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...ufnleeds103.xml http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Exclu...ffer.3818816.jp http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779 Can find many other links aswell if needed, as I said i'm not a Leeds fan, I don't quite know the ins and outs of this matter but how I read and understand it is that Leeds went into administration, got given the option of accept a 15 point deduction or your out of the league and now their moaning and going to court about it. As for the odd "insolvancy" quotes i've posted it still stems around administration, money toubles, e.t.c. What an idiot I am for reading and believing all these quotes What an idiot you are for not reading them properly. The 15-point penalty was imposed on the Yorkshire club in August by the League who claimed they had not properly followed insolvency policy.It followed the deduction of 10 points after the club went into administration following relegation to League One in May last year. Meaning this Get over the fooker So surly if Leeds do get away with it and the 15 point deduction is withdrawn other clubs will just do the same and the points deduction's will become a farce, Will Luton have there point deduction given back? luckly missed out on a points deduction and I don't see how going into administration Has nothing to do with it.
Thracian Posted 1 March 2008 Posted 1 March 2008 Give em the points back - then a couple of ex-Leicester players might be part of a promotion team.
Alexikokopops Posted 2 March 2008 Posted 2 March 2008 Sorry, Only going on what i've read or what has been reported;The 15-point penalty was imposed on the Yorkshire club in August by the League who claimed they had not properly followed insolvency policy.It followed the deduction of 10 points after the club went into administration following relegation to League One in May last year. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779 "However, it is acknowledged the club did go into administration and has been unable to comply with the terms of the League's well-established insolvency policy."As a result, the board determined this transfer of membership should be subject to Leeds United having a 15-point deduction applicable from the beginning of the 2007/08 season. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...ufnleeds103.xml Leeds, who were relegated after being deducted 10 points in May for going into administration, were hit with the further15-point penalty in August for what the League board considered to be a failure to follow insolvency policy. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Exclu...ffer.3818816.jp The Yorkshire club served a writ on the Football League last week in a bid to get their points penalty for breaking competition rules on administration overturned. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779 Can find many other links aswell if needed, as I said i'm not a Leeds fan, I don't quite know the ins and outs of this matter but how I read and understand it is that Leeds went into administration, got given the option of accept a 15 point deduction or your out of the league and now their moaning and going to court about it. As for the odd "insolvancy" quotes i've posted it still stems around administration, money toubles, e.t.c. What an idiot I am for reading and believing all these quotes Mate, read the quotes again. The 15-point penalty was imposed on the Yorkshire club in August by the League who claimed they had not properly followed insolvency policy.It followed the deduction of 10 points after the club went into administration following relegation to League One in May last year. They got the 10 point deduction for administration when they were in the Championship. The 15 point penalty was for not following proper insolvency policy "However, it is acknowledged the club did go into administration and has been unable to comply with the terms of the League's well-established insolvency policy."As a result, the board determined this transfer of membership should be subject to Leeds United having a 15-point deduction applicable from the beginning of the 2007/08 season. See, the 15 point deduction is as a result of not following insolvency policy. Leeds, who were relegated after being deducted 10 points in May for going into administration, were hit with the further15-point penalty in August for what the League board considered to be a failure to follow insolvency policy. 10 points in may for administration when they were in the Championship, 15 points for FAILURE TO FOLLOW INSOLVENCY POLICY The Yorkshire club served a writ on the Football League last week in a bid to get their points penalty for breaking competition rules on administration overturned. Breaking the rules on administration ie INSOLVENCY POLICY. Ironically by posting those quotes you've actually proved yourself wrong.
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