Manwell Pablo

Let’s see it then.

He won’t have been during 2016-21 Because non of us were were we? That’s the point.

That’s the point though. And like I say it’s what you’ve said or the fact you are lying it’s the context you are delivering it in. Hypocrisy could be a way to describe it, as I said in my post “Arrogant relflectivness” is more accurate. You’re an intelligent bloke, as someone else has pointed out you’ve seen the problems here far more than others. Doubling down by going after 10 years just isn’t necessary. believe me it’s not a “gotcha” if that is what I was aiming for I’d have just done it. I have concerns a lot of our fans are beginning to see sense with top, it’s too late this season and god knows what the future holds, but, if we are ever going to get them onside, we need to be the bigger people and go from trying to belittle them by trying to make them see we all knew all along to trying to incorporate them into actual factual evidence base on the last four years. There is zero reason to go beyond that. Your inviting a counter argument, making our position look like something it isn’t

No it’s not the fact you said it, I fully believe you said it, it’s the narrative you are driving by saying you said it in the way you did. You’re not a liar, and it was a bit weird, irrelevant, absolutely of non consequence to our current position, but a bit weird. what you are doing is trying to paint a picture of you knowing since 2016 that there was something wrong because of a completely irrelevant incident involving the PL trophy. And you were “shouted down” What I’m saying is it would be extremely easy to prove that’s not the case by pulling up the countless more posts you have made about our ownership from 2016-2021 showing them in a positive light. And you know I could do that. Hopefully it won’t be required as you know as well as I do there is plenty of evidence on here to back it up and just admit that’s the case.

Do we? The whole issue around the loans taken out against them geniuenly confuses me. I know it’s not good but I will admit I’m fuzzy on the specifics.

Yeah this attempt at rewriting history is getting very odd Sol tbh. Does absolutely nothing for the cause either. There’s enough evidence Aiwayatt is an unfit leader without having to track back 10 years and starting to pin Vichai for it for holding onto a trophy a bit longer than some people felt comfortable with. You’ve questioned my motives before, and seem to have an issue with me for some reason, i deal in pragmatism and realism primarily. The sarcasm and the put downs I aim at people are often ways of shutting down a lack of pragmatism and realism. I won’t agree with some of the negative comments about him, I do however respect alternative opinions. That said the past is merely something you learn from in life, mainly not to repeat mistakes. Vichai has been dead for the best part of 10 years, he’s not the problem. In our position the present and the future are far more important. You, as a poster, are someone I respect that’s why I address you in the manner I do whenever I converse with you, as opposed to they way I address other people I do not which I’m sure you’ve witnessed over the years. I am getting very concerned a lot of people have moved on from trying to do things to save the club and instead are happy to sit back now and make the most of saying I told you so and are trying to force a false narrative that things were rotten from the core all along. And as I’ve admitted attempting to moblise our fan base was frustrating and I struggle with king power apologists as much as you you do. However this narrative being pushed feels very much like, reflective arrogance than anything productive. Lastly, and I will be a bit of twat here, posts like this can be debunked completely, you’ve been on here for a long time, I’m a professional data analyst and I am more than capable of using this sites filtering features to prove you have been more than pro King Power at parts in the last 10 years, i don’t need to search I remember them, I have used that to point out complete hypocrisy to a few posters before and I’m willing to do it again if this holier than thou act is kept up. If you are genuinely trying to suggest anyone should think you or any one else are some kind of genius because of that trophy incident we can go through some of your posts from 2016-2020 and show that’s really not the case.

Who are we going to sell Seagrave to, geniuenly who would want it. I’m honestly interested I keep hearing this and I don’t see what value it has to anyone but Leicester City football club. The only potential buyer I can think of is Forest. regardless we will get absolutely bent over by selling it, I’d imagine we’d be lucky to get 25 million for it because everyone knows it’s a ticking time bomb for us if we hold on to it.

Yeah by all accounts Vardy hates our setup and feels he’s wasted enough time contributing to painting over the cracks. Wouldn’t come back here without wholesale changes.

Again it’s a legacy to his old man that the structures were in place to make him seem like a good chairman for a few years before it all came crashing down.

Why the **** would the PL care who wins the league, never mind hold a ten year grudge over it plotting away like Dick Dastardly to destroy a team that did 😂 The amount of mental gymnastics these people do must be tiring.

it’s a fair point 😂

Also if the league were actually “desperate to save Leicester” which I’m pretty sure they are not given the amount of effort they went to get the points taken off. Surely the easiest way to do that would be to just drop the charges instead of trying than going around the houses and drumming up some non founded charges against West Brom. We’ll still go down if we don’t beat Portsmouth regardless of West Brom being docked all their points 😂 Football fans sometimes, honestly 😂

I mean you’d have to be pretty stupid to try and blame that, when were we first charged in 2024 or something 😂. Possibly longer, the case was certainly not wrapped up in 3 weeks 😂

There is absolutely zero chance an independent commission gets hold of that case before the season concludes so that’s not going to save us.

it’s honestly not, for me to criticise them id have to see something they could actually do differently with the amount of hostility they have received is ridiculous. And yeah, disappointingly, hard to argue with you on your second point.

Union fs have been remarkably reserved. And I think that’s probably my biggest criticism of our so called loyal fans. Union FS are a organised decent bunch of lads who just want the best for the club and want to generate an atmosphere. They haven’t really been behind any anti king power movements. Did they support them? Yes they did, are they are clever enough to see it’s the right thing to do, yes. Did they organise any of it? No, neither of them. Some of the action taken against them in person and online this season has been nothing short of vile and I can’t blame them for wanting to take a back seat, in a situation where they shouldn’t feel the need to take a back seat. It’s situation they should feel empowered in by our supporter base to take action and help do what’s right for the football club. instead you have pricks smashing their drums and pouring abuse at them on twitter.

I was there the day we lighted the trophy and no, don’t seem him wanting to enjoy something he’s put a lot of time and effort into as red flag. You’re going to have to refresh my memory as I don’t remember anything note worthy that followed us up to the prem. It’s getting worrying you’re hung up on parading a trophy around as red flag, I’m addressing your points, and I’ll say for a fifth and final time, he bought the stadium, he cleared existing debts as a far countering green flag. Which no one dispute their other bluster has addressed directly, it’s not a minor detail, it’s big steps for the football club. Football clubs end up where they are predominantly because of the men running them. We have evidence of this. its 100% lucky an absolute perfect storm of events. We don’t with the PL with Pearson in charge for a start off because the pressure would have got to him. Raneri was the perfect man manager to implement the footballing tactics Pearson put in place, Pearson who was sacked because He son filmed a Thai prostitute giving his mate a rim job. You then have your big six clubs completely fluffing their lines. Not a single one finished on 75 points, the absolute benchmark for winning the league. That’s never happened, ever in PL history apart from that season. We might have been 5000/1 but if you got yourself down the bookies and bet on Arsenal, Spurs, Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, and Chelsea all registering less than 72 points you’d have probably got better odds. That’s never going to happen again. So it’s a completely moot point saying Vichai was “lucky” everyone was lucky, he did his job, as did the management, and the players, and we won the league, by being the best team over 38 games, and I do believe men should be judged by their achievements and their results. If I interview someone for a job I don’t want to know about their experience anywhere near as much as I want to know what they’ve achieved. This would not even be a conversation if king power no longer owned the club and it was some other administration making such a hash of this club. We’d all be looking up at the statue wishing for the good old days when King Power were in charge. I will say again, it’s re writing history, and it’s not correct.

You’re trying to argue with me about a point I’m not trying to make here John. I know as well as you do he was extremely lucky we won the league. But Everyone involved was extremely lucky, you can laud the Scouts, Pearson, Ranieri, King Power etc etc. The one thing most Leicester fans don’t like to admit was five serious forces in English football had a complete season off, that’s why our closest challenger was Spurs until they capitulated. it’s a madness critism tbh, it’s looking at man who did a lot of things right and the club achieved a lot under his stewardship but then going back and thinking, well it wasn’t all down to him and his sons a dickhead so fck him. Odd odd thinking.

We are talking purely football there, not business. He’s a business man. I acknowledge some of the points, but I have raised the point of buying the stadium back and clearing debts three times now. That’s an actual foundation. You say it’s built on sand I don’t see that, I see someone who made a lot of solid business decisions even if they didn’t have football knowledge to always get that right without a bit of luck. if we’ve learnt one thing from top’s reign it’s that shit runs down hill, you don’t make sensible business decisions than you may as well not bother worrying about the football.

People have very short and I feel biased memories when it comes to Vichai. And they tend to fixate on the fact that his ownership had very little to do with the PL win, which in fairness it didn’t. But at the same time forgetting what he did do was take a stagnant club with no money to the PL in the first place, and that was a lot to do with the ownership. You can’t win the PL if you ain’t in it. He also cleared debts, bought the stadium back, put money into charities in the city, and treated us superbly as a fan base. You would not have a single Leicester fan say a bad word about him before that helicopter crash. What people are doing here is trying to re write history because they are rightly pissed off at his creatin of a son. And that’s not right.

There are no ethical billionaires, wow, 😂 ok Josepeh Stalin. i mean I could get lengthy but there’s not a lot of need. I put it to you that we wouldn’t even own the ground where that statue is if it wasn’t for him so what goes there and what doesn’t is far more down to him than a widely outspoken and renound keyboard warrior like you Kitch. 😂

The statues fine, it’s near where the man died at the end of the day. People do need to disassociate Vichai with Top. Completely different human beings.

It just makes me laugh. Even ignoring the very valid point about money. in 1991 nobody was sat at filbert street thinking “this is normal, this is where the club fits naturally into the football league system” 😂 they were mostly absolutely livid with the the teams performance. 2008, we’d been dire for seasons, were run for a lot of that time leading up to it by an administration that wanted to get out of the club because they wanted better for it, they’d literally just taken over to keep it afloat, and we were pretty unfortunate to go down tbh. This bunch of international highly players don’t need to get the 53 points it would have taken to keep us up, it’s a good job as they ain’t getting close to it. I would rather watch Stephen Hughes, Patrick Kinsorbo, Mark De Vries, Danny Tiatto and Elvis Hammond any day of the week than this lot. In fact I’ll double down, I’d rather watch Alan Sheehan than this lot. At least his inability to defend in the 2nd tier level was made up for by a wand of a left foot. Anyone who says “we’ve seen worse” has no business following professional football. It’s like my writing a review on a west end production of Phantom of the opera. Not a scooby doo.

I don’t believe anyone else has left, There hasn’t been a lot of activity recently but I think that’s probably for the best. With the change of manager and few more positive displays and results and with a month left of the season it is probably just best to support the team and try and maintain our championship status for the next three/four weeks. I know I’ve spoken out about having that attitude but, now, I think we’ve made about as good as point we can this season and protesting against a clubs board is a war not a battle, it can take months/years and nothing they do now is going to help the situation we are in the short term, and if we go down we are in all sorts of bother.

I know mate. it’s just frustrating, I know people are trying it just feels like things could be done better. We are fighting a organised business (well a business at least) Ultimately we all want the same thing and the major problems are coming from outside.