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£10m and Faes' wages off the bill wouldn't be horrendous business tbh. It'd be about a £4m profit from the fee alone in-year and we could probably replace him with a tidy football league CB on about 1/3 the money. I can't see us getting any more than that for him really.

I really ****ing loathe comments like this, probably more than anything else. It's the real reason I end up ranting away at strangers on the internet about a footballer I genuinely wouldn't care if we sold. Like I'm not some Patson Daka cultist but this is just straight braindead, what sport are people watching that they come out with this stuff? Daka's contributions to general, all-round play were great last year when he came in to the side. He probably fit in to Enzo's system better than any of our other strikers and we immediately improved when he started starting, going on something of a rampage for team goals across the board. He dropped in well, he linked up well and he helped stretch the game. He absolutely wasn't perfect and after a strong initial start his finishing became really wayward and absolutely fell off a cliff after the Elland Road game. He was rightfully replaced by Vardy getting back in to the team who is comfortably a better striker than him and always will be, even if Daka was in his prime and Vardy was 75. But this idea that he was "useless" or "didn't work" or didn't fit Enzo's style or anything else? It's just plain ****ing dumb.

We've already done this in this thread. This was FBref as of March.

My point is that footballers don't only exist to be sold. They both added value to the club while they were here, we paid, they signed contracts, they decided to see them out. It happens to all clubs at some point, Bayern got **** all for Lewa when he left but he'd scored a shit tonne of goals and won them trophies along the way. I don't disagree with the general point, our management of contracts is poor and our signing of established footballers has been extremely wasteful post-title win. But I wouldn't particularly use Tielemans or Iheanacho to make that point.

Did you enjoy winning the FA Cup?

I think Nelson will stay unless we're particularly desperate. I'll be surprised if he's disruptive and forces a move and I think we'll know we need defenders and a good season with us could put another 10m on whatever we'd get for him this summer. I think Bilal is the most likely to leave but I doubt we get a lot of profit given he wasn't the cheapest and our situation isn't strong. Just leaves Mads, really he should represent at LEAST 15m profit on his own because of how cheap he was. But interest seems to have cooled a bit since his injury and lack of recovery, not actually heared many rumours at all about him lately?

Agreed.

Klopp gotta be due a return to management by now.

Nothing makes me stop reading an article more quickly than the words By Jordan Blackwell.

I don't know why you've put Forest in there. They've had a points deduction already and the worst is yet to come for them. Villa are also going to have to start selling unless they rake in tidy CL revenue. Although it helps they have one of the best sporting directors in the world there, particularly for a club of their size. And Newcastle are selling their players to other clubs they own (an option also open to Forest btw) which for some reason we've not bothered trying. As for the big six, the league don't need to treat them any differently to us because these rules were very specifically designed to keep the Other 14 from threatening the Big 6 having dominance over European qualification. The rules are working as intended.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I think Rohl IS imaginative by KP standards.

It's depressing that Rohl, someone coaching in the league we're about to play in, is considered imaginative as a pick by LCFC standards

It's cute you think we'll be able to afford to sack him

We're already worrying. I'd be very surprised if Martin isn't currently the leading candidate. I don't want him to be but I absolutely guarantee the club do.

In before the sheer egg-on-the-face of Will Still being a complete flop in English football.

Really? I can't imagine Nige publicly slagging off another manager. When was this?

As always it's the sheer lack of imagination that absolutely baffles me. This club is so desperately in need of footballing intelligence.

Nobody is buying Vestergaard off us, we might as well use him while he's contracted. If we extend again then we're absolutely moronic for sure. I don't see anyone taking Winks for profit either, frankly. They're obviously not the only two players in the world who can do what they do, they're hardly my favourites, I'm fine if they're replaced. But Winks was far too good for the Championship last time out. I'm also not writing him off because Ruud has gone to war with him, it's ridiculously unfair to claim he's pampered or not committed purely because the most incompetent manager we've had since Martin Allen has used him as a scapegoat.

In fairness, anyone that has a problem with Winks being in the team, especially in the Championship, needs their head seeing to. We've spent all season unable to get out of our own half watching Soumare, Ndidi and Skipp try and build from the back. Doesn't matter what style of play you want to play, someone's got to be able to get the ball up the pitch and those two are currently the only ones on our books who can actually break the lines.

They ****ing scraped promotion by the skin of their teeth despite being significantly better than 90% of the league and were on course to break Derby's "record" in the Prem while he was there.

I'd unironically rather Sean Dyche.

If this is true we genuinely are an absolute joke.

I know it's easy to say in hindsight but I said this in the Ayew thread when we signed him, I'd rather we'd have just embraced relegation at the start of the season and done the complete opposite of getting "Premier League experience." We should have given up this year and just thought about the future. We shouldn't have signed anyone over 21. Buy a bunch of kids that'll improve in value, even if we sold half of them after one season when we get relegated. It's adding to the value of the squad and bringing in some money to soften the blow, any that stay, great that's next year sorted. The fact we brought in Skipp, Ayew, Reid and an extremely expensive Edouard loan and none of those people represent any chance of profit is just absolutely mind blowingly stupid for a club so close to the knife edge. Not only were those players obviously too crap to keep us up, they drag us further in to the PSR hole. Bilal was the right idea but he's just one guy and frankly wasn't THAT cheap.

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This is already being discussed in the Next Manager thread on the main forum. It's also a Z tier source. Can we keep the conversation there for now. If Percy or Fab or someone links us to a manager then a new thread is probably justified but this isn't really. It's just one more place to get paranoid and hysterical about Martin.