Babylon

Who has asked for no accountability?

It's Leicester. If you look up "protracted" in the dictionary, we're used as an example.

He did... we needed to convince him it wasn't a wind up from his mates.

Doesn't everyone need convincing in some form or another? The more someone needs convincing, the more their stock is likely to be higher. It's not a bad thing.

Would I? I mean please provide a single post where I've said he's not accountable. If you are going to pipe up I would suggest reading posts first.

He's not a scout and has history of scouting has he, so why would he be involved in scouting? Sure, setting up the department, etc, providing a general style of play remit. But actual players will come from what the manager wants and what the team have scouted within their specific style. There are many forms of "passing" football, done in different ways with different players. Puel, Rodgers and Maresca, all played passing football, but in different ways. Particularly Maresca, who would obviously want very different players in different positions to Rodgers.

Realistically most of the stuff you’ve listed is delegated. A general direction might come from the top, but I’d imagine that’s about it. The rest will be agreeing / signing off other proposals

I’m sure it went on before, but I don’t think people get the amount of work that’s likely put into it.

But this is just garbage isn't it. What I've asked for personally is accountability where it's due, and not just getting out pitchforks because you've decided John Rudkin is the one to blame.

Are we supposed to beleive, that if the club released a statement along the lines of: "After a thorough internal review, the club have identified key areas of improvement and will strive to make sure they are met". I just don't beleive that for a second.

It was most definitely reported that Rodgers was a Rudkin man... too much so.

Bad Decisions: Rudkin Good Decisions: Someone Else

100%, who needs clothes when there are throw in routines to think about.

Or they have all acknowledged their part in it, or they are just doing what that are directed. Or they all know the reality is a perfect storm of issues not caused by any one single person. At one point we were flying, had loads of bankable assets and all looked good. I think we all probably thought that if it went wrong we have more than enough players to be able to cash in. What we probably didn’t envisage is several players wanting to run down contracts (Soyuncu, Tielemans). Injuries completely wrecking lots of our most saleable assets (Ndidi, Maddison, Ricardo, even Justin). On top of that almost all of our singings flopping when we had a such high hit rate previously. Injuries to players which meant having to buy when I doubt we wanted to. You can break down loads of things individually and see how they impacted the club and contributed. From Covid and us being one of the first clubs to say we aren’t taking government support when lots of others far bigger decided they were going to applauded, but ultimately putting a bigger hole in the finances. All the other losses involved in it, which contributed to massive losses. How it impacted KP, financially and also what time they could focus on the club. How FFP changes at UEFA then impacted our ability to spend if we ever wanted to play in Europe and the prospect of the prem following ( they always do). How that meant we pulled back the spending. How backing Rodgers with a huge budget and the subsequent flopping of them blew up in our faces. I can’t even be bothered to start breaking down all the knock ons. There are just so many little bits that all just came together to create a shit storm. Some mistakes, some not, some bad luck, Some bad timing, some likely from the Top, some likely form Rudkin, most we’ll never know. I’d like to think there has been a proper analysis of it all internally. Why would you not want that as a business owner.

Has anyone said that? I very much doubt anyone escapes a proportion of the blame. But let’s say he sits down with the board and presents a preseason outline of budgets. Best case, likely, worst case. If the board say don’t worry about worst case, getting relegated is so improbable. What we really want is to compete at the top so let’s focus on the top end spend. Do you blame him or the people in charge if we then overspend gigantically? I’d much rather focus on the stuff like allowing Rodgers to appoint his own head scout. Which I think is far more likely to be down to him. That one problem then snowballs, poor signings, overpaying, no money when we need it etc. One bad decision can then spiral into many bad decisions. But he could possibly have just made one very bad decision, and his argument would be, we needed him to get Rodgers and he provided an FA cup and two top 5 finishes. So his bosses will weigh that up. I think this summer will answer a lot of questions. We either try and rein it in massively, selling players, buying nobody and just taking the money and getting the ship right. Or Top and KP will roll the dice again and a lot of it we will know is down to their appetite for risk.

No manager thinks they need a plan B

Maresca only went 10 days ago!

Some parts yes, we've also been told previously that the players were lined up by the head of recruitment and they did much of the leg work (including contracts) before handing it off to the DOF. They will give an outline of worth to him, otherwise how is he meant to know what they value the player at, they are meant to be the experts. There are numerous things at play. Firstly, you can't make a player sign a contract, secondly, you can't make other clubs bid for players. Many players have started running down contracts around Europe, we'll see it more and more as they are all so rich now, they don't worry about an injury, and they are taking power back. Secondly, FFP rules changed and we had to adapt. This meant a limited budget, which meant little to buy replacements. Yeah we could let players go cheap, but then if you don't have the money to get a better player in, then sometimes you are better off keeping the player. That's just silly; I've had disagreements with bosses wherever I've been, it doesn't mean people need replacing; it's just differing opinions at times. There are also bigger things at play, yeah I'm sure if his remit was just book balancing and nothing else, he'd have not wanted Seagrave, not wanting expansions etc. As that money all comes out of the clubs spending power. Spending money to try and compete is the risk, the mistake was made during the scouting. Do you think Rudkin sits there and randomly decides what to pay, or do you think the scouts hand up a detailed scout report with potential valuations, wages, etc? If you want to say he made a huge mistake in appointing Rodger's man, yes I would agree. We all took a few seconds to look into him and it screamed disaster. There are no many things at play, of course people want things to change but I want the people with ALL the information to make that call. Not the people on here with pitchforks, who just ignore so much stuff. From Covid, to FFP changes and 101 other things. These people have been around huge companies for much of their lives, if there were obvious black and white issues I'm sure there would be action. But there will be so many shades of gray, where x persons decision, impacts y persons decision, x event impacts y event.

I will be; eventually. I feel like their stuff will buy me some time to get used to the oven itself, get my process down, play around with toppings etc. Before I start worrying about the dough as well. We all agreed it was better than any take away pizza, and even a few professional restaurants we've been to. So a good start!

Drool....

Decided to purchase the Ooni Fyra, only used it once so far. Absolutely fantastic and that was just a first attempt, my lads face lit up when he tasted it!! Can't wait for the good weather to kick in so that I can use it more. Just ordered a load of their dough to save some time

I know his attire and haircuts have been a bit of a meme on here. But honestly, I want a manager who is all consumed by the game and the club. If you are worried about what your hair looks like or what clobber you're wearing, you are wasting precious time. Give me a Steve Jobs / Nigel Peason type character. A wardrobe that's full of identical tracksuits and trainers.

You actually think that one person, not on the board, not signing the cheques, is going to run up a £90m loss without the people above him signing it all off, or not even instructing him to make decisions that cause it. Utterly nonsensical. You don't know what his remit is; anyone saying oh well, x, y and z are his remit is doing nothing but guessing. You also don't know if he's been overruled once, twice or a hundred times by those above him. You might not like it, but it's reality. I'd shed no tears if he went, there has probably been enough over the years for him to lose his position. But the fact he doesn't means there is probably quite a bit more to it than we realise. I fear you don't grasp that much of our success since KP arrived has been based on risks. I'm sure you enjoyed it when it went well. You know that for a fact? If you want the club to play by the rules, don't push the boat out to get much further than what clubs our size normally do, we'll just be Palace. Bobbing around in midtable until the inevitable happens, and it will happen. Because no matter who you appoint, they will at some point hire the wrong head of recruitment or the wrong manager, and it will all go down the pan. There is a very good reason no club without vast sums of money has ever sustained it.

Did the FA Cup happen 10 years ago? Did promotion happen 10 years ago? I stand by what I always say, we have no idea who knew what, who said what, or who signed what off. Clearly, in his position, he's going to get a percentage of the blame, but so is everyone. So either just apportion blame to all, or choose the person at the top. There are just things that nobody alive is going to get right all the time. Yeah we signed some duds, which comes from poor scouting. Some of that is just poor scout judgement, some of that is appointing the wrong person. But we've had a high turn around in scouting, generally because we've been good at it, so the staff have been poached. Eventually, we'll get it wrong.

That's fair enough, so long as Lucas Film don't do the usual "anyone who didn't like it is a sexist racist". There have been so many characters in films and TV shows that haven't had much criticism. It always seems to be the most lazily written, contrived characters that get it in the neck. PS.. the actors should never get the brunt of it. Lucas Films are the ones signing off this rubbish.