LCFCJohn

Yeah it’s more the crap defending the bothers me. A bit of arrogance is fine if you back it up with ability. Defensively we are an absolute shambles and Faes, Vestergaard and Thomas are the worse culprits.

I’m surprised you haven’t had anyone tell you you’re being too sensitive and overthinking it! The fact this has made it onto non-Leicester pages is very telling as to what a laughing stock this makes us…

I think people have interpreted the question differently. Most have said no and have interpreted it as whether the title and cup mean less which of course they don’t. Particularly the title win was a massive underdog story and was done fairly. The cup was a lesser degree as the squad we had was up there at that point but still a huge achievement to put our name on it for the first time. I did reply that yes, I feel it has been tainted. But that is because I interpreted the question in a way I have thought at what cost. I wouldn’t want us to have not managed the achievements. That would be downright bizarre. I also don’t think the achievements mean less. But at what cost? It feels like since the cup win particularly, we have lost our football club. It’s not the club I knew and loved. Obviously the argument there is that’s not to do with the achievements themselves but the loss of Vichai. I’m not sure personally. I think he was a decent guy and loved the club. But we can see how fragile now it was all built upon. Hopefully we will become that club again and the achievements will be banked in history. But right now it feels that the club I knew is dead.

Yeah fair. I wonder how many views it would even get if it hadn’t been posted here for example.

I wasn’t calling you a KPFC fan by the way, but that line has been hijacked by them so not a great one to use. Regarding the ground and assets, wasn’t that the case with Chansiri also? I know the obviously different between the clubs are the sheer magnitude of the finances involved within the club so I don’t pretend to understand much about it or think it would just be simply fine. What do you think the solution is? You are definitely quite knowledgeable about the subject compared to most and seem quite impartial (I.e not KPFC cult nor ready to riot against them). My view is, we are heading for administration under Aiyawatt. He has clearly learned nothing and I don’t see better decision making ever happening. So are we better off staggering along until we get there or if he sells to a new owner? I think we have arrived at the point where 95% + of potential options would be better than the ownership now.

The issue is, it gets this message out and misinforms others. On one of the general football related FB pages that pops up sometimes (Football Away Days I think), there was a post about how a Leicester fan had replied to the clubs email asking why they hadn’t attended the Sheffield United game. You obviously get all fans of other clubs who haven’t the foggiest idea about our club with the usual lazy, entitled, can’t hack being in the Championship stuff. To them, I would say, let fans who are informed about their own club pass judgement. Like I wouldn’t pass judgement about other clubs fans being unhappy. But then you get so called Leicester fans, on there saying stuff like people that are unhappy only started going 10 years ago etc. Despite the best efforts of people like @The Year Of The Foxto correct people and get the message out, when you have large sections of our own fanbase brushing over the issues, putting propaganda out on behalf of their cult leader, what hope do we have of change happening? Thats why is annoying about articles like this. Yes you can laugh at the appalling English or the hypocrisy of it etc. But it feeds into a wider problem of this cult that has formed, working against the best interests of the club.

The question wasn’t if you’d change it, just if it is tainted. I’d say given what we have become, it is a bit tainted in that it came with a cost of us losing our identity and becoming soulless. But some day in the future, we will resemble a football club again and those achievements will be in history forever so you can’t wish they didn’t happen. I just wish we could have achieved what we did without becoming what we have.

I’m not sure that’s the most use to us though. I’d definitely have him back and find a L2 or L1 club if there were takers, who can give him more minutes.

Sorry but you have undone some good and knowledgable stuff in that post with the ending. The old be careful what you wish for KP cult tagline. What if my wish is for us just to be a sensible run club going forward, with footballing people in the right roles. A strong culture around the club where effort is expected as a bare minimum? Of course all the issues won’t go away if we changed owners tomorrow. Look at Sheffield Wednesday, even though Chansiri is out the picture, they have been given a further deduction only yesterday. But they have hope. They can now see the light at the end of the tunnel and although they will still be on a downwards trajectory on the pitch in the immediate future, a new owner can come in and start doing things right and slowly repair that damage. We are still heading further and further into the dark tunnel, with no light left behind us and none ahead. Our owner will not fix this. People need to get that cuddly fuzzy notion out of their heads. We face administration and possibly going out of business if he stays. A change of ownership would give us a chance even though it will be a slow road.

Obviously a nonsense argument. I get the point about needing to move on in many ways and being unable to do so whilst he was with us. Unfortunately, what we moved onto wasn’t worth it…

Yes I think so. But not because we had been relegated. Before those achievements, we were a proper club and embodied the spirit you’d expect from Leicester sides over the years. Even when we were limited quality wise, the effort would be there and fans would be content and united behind the club. Since these achievements, the whole club just doesn’t seem bothered anymore. They’ve given up. Fans have given up. We have a high proportion of our fan base who prioritise the owner of the club over the clubs very existence. No player, manager or owner is bigger than the club. But the fans have allowed this to be the case. There are many who would happily see this club go out of business tomorrow than turn on Aiyawatt. We are no longer a proper, serious football club. And that is a big cost for me of the achievements. So yes, it’s tainted.

I noticed some Wednesday fans comments saying Nick De Marco is representing Chansiri as well.

It shows the EFL quite literally couldn’t care less about clubs and their survival. Punishing the club for the actions of a single man who is now not in charge of the club. All whilst giving a slap on the wrist that would allow him back into club ownership after 3 years. Presumably they wouldn’t fail him under fit and proper owners tests based on that. Oh but when there was talk of deducting points from the ‘big 6’ for the super league, it was all about how that wouldn’t be fair on the fans! Corrupt!

Vichai wasn’t around when we were in League 1… And he threw money at crap. The difference between him and Top was that he realised this was a mistake and brought the real brains back. I suppose that in itself is smart investment. Absolutely agree we will fall even further with Aiyawatt though.

I also want Wellens. Look at one of his scorers at the weekend. His son Charlie. Gerrim in, he can bring Charlie, next trip to Thailand, go all James Pearson and bang, PL title no2 round the corner I like the Wellens shout and was keen earlier in the year but at this point, we were likely still too big a jump. Now we are a natural step for a higher end L1 manager. He has some bite about him as well. He would have to be given full backing and patience to get rid of the bad eggs though as they would likely see themselves as above him given his playing career was predominately second tier level.

Yeah, I can’t believe anyone seriously thinks it was the other way.

If I thought it’d actually fix things and get new ownership and all would be good, I would say yes. In that I wouldn’t be fussed from a pride point of view and enjoyed the season down there before. But I can’t actively want failure. And I absolutely don’t think it would fix things. I do think administration is coming. But we would be better navigating that from the Championship.

Yeah this is fair. I agree with your point about keeping it ‘for’ the better times. Obviously it is true that people have still paid. I’m sure there are people who paid hoping for better but have just got to the point that they can’t change the fact they have already paid, but are making the point in the hope a lot of empty seats (per the thread name), draw attention to force change. My view is, as I said above, I do think people withdrawing their money and not buying tickets (be that match or season) will mean we get to a point that change is quicker. However, I don’t expect everybody to give up going or get to the same stage of disillusionment at the same time. So I respect those who still go. However, I will not accept people saying those who don’t go aren’t real supporters or don’t care deeply for the club as like you even say, everyone has their own views, priorities and way of showing their dissatisfaction. Ultimately we have a very divided fan base, each attacking the other. Meanwhile, the people who have caused it probably love the fact this distracts from the actual issues.

Yeah and picked a post (mine) that was literally not doing that

Respectfully, what are you on about? Where have I ‘not listened to others views’ or ‘slagged anyone off for not thinking and acting like me’. I was responding to a post that was doing those things, criticising people who don’t attend as not proper fans. I was presenting the counter points as to why people don’t so was demonstrating how football is not the same priority for some. And for good measure, demonstrated through my own example how that priority changed from when I was younger….. So really not sure how you have managed to come to the conclusion of that reply in response In terms of your first paragraph around financial constraints applying regardless. Well yes, of course. But to think people’s priorities won’t shift based on what they are getting back in terms of what is being served up on the pitch is a nice thought, but not reality. What you are seeing is people showing more of a customer/consumer approach. Not getting the service so not paying. Hardly unexpected when the club treats us as customers and not fans right?

Fair and that was in no way aimed at anybody over a certain age. More that when a lot of people want to show how much they support Aiyawatt, and have a dig at fans wanting change and not being happy, they chuck the old ‘you’ve only been here since 2016, I’ve supported them for 50 yeara’, better fan etc etc. Almost like 50 years is an arbitrary figure to chuck out to claim being a better fan. I doubt many actually have for that long to be fair. But yes, absolutely not a generalisation as there are people like yourself who have been supporting for decades and that doesn’t stop you having the strength of your own mind to realise what we are seeing happen to the club is not acceptable or just something we should let happen.

Feel sorry for the kid. He will just want the best for the club that he has a life time to want to follow and support. But is surrounded by people who have had their time and aren’t bothered about the health of the club, or if there is a club, there for future generations. All because they have had their 50+ years supporting and seen things they never thought they’d see….

This is a worse situation than before. We have had administration but from a point of being a Premiership side. We have also had League 1, from a position of more stable finances and an owner in Mandaric who at least knew what he was doing and understood football. We are likely facing administration in the coming couple of years coupled with this happening whilst dropping into League 1. Oh and an owner who doesn’t understand football. That said, where I agree is that I don’t subscribe to the level of concern that there will not actually be a club. Hopefully it will mean Aiyawatt is just forced out and the administrators will do what they are doing at Sheffield Wednesday and find a suitable buyer. Only then can we look forward. But using wording as you are, along the lines of had a good run and enjoyed it, all sees very past tense and shows despite what you say, you have also given up. It’s the way you talk about someone/something dying.

But don’t care if there is a club there for future generations because you have enjoyed your time yeah?

These types of posts piss me off. Whether you go to games is not a measure of how much you care for the club or support the club. There are many factors such as distance, finances and other commitments in life. There is no other supposed entertainment sector area that I can think of, that charges so much when what you are getting is so unguarenteed. The state of the cost of living in this country has put people into a position where they have to make choices and things like paying £100’s to watch this shit, drops off. I have a suspicion that those who make comments judging people who don’t attend as not real supporters, are probably from a generation or two a bit back where progression at work was handed in a plate and large salaries (relative to the time) were easy to obtain, as well as lovely big houses available at a much lower salary/cost ratio. For the younger amongst us, that is not the case. We have to graft so hard to get those opportunities and even (as with myself) at a position I am happy with, and having to able to buy a nice home at 23 with my wife, we still notice the cost of living. And we are above average so I am clued up enough to understand the position others are in. I can only speak for myself. But I went home and away for years as a child into young adult. I missed the MON glory years. I came in at the the end of the Taylor era, administration, relegation, years of what we are seeing now and then L1 (may favourite season even over 2016 for enjoyment). My time with my wife and daughter and money to fund this, are now my priority. I’m not giving my time and hard earned money, to watch completely tools who earn more in a week than most of us do in a year, show once again they don’t give a f*** and take the piss out of those in the stands week in week out. More fool those who do.