LCFCJohn

If you take away being over reactive, consider factors like players that would benefit from playing in a more functional team, under a competent manager etc, there are a few who would be perfectly fine to take to that level, whether that be starters or in the squad. Main things for me are attitude and potential. On that basis, the following could be kept. Stolarcryk - clearly in a poor run of form and struggling but not a lost cause if in a competent team and coaching set up. Aluko - potential Nelson - potential and shown quality already. A victim of the anti-young player mob. Thomas - extremely generous and I could easily take him off here. If he was back up I would be fine with the odd game. Again. In a better team and with better coaches, I feel he’d be less of a liability. Skipp - good attitude and has been one of the better performers recently. He can do a decent job I think. James - obviously Fatawu - again, obviously Monga - potential Mavididi - unsure. I actually still like him as a player despite his poor season. If we somehow went up, I’d sooner we upgrade but he could be a squad player. Page - potential Evans - potential Thats 11 players. I think all those have pretty good attitudes and at least put a shift in and would be happy at the club. I do think there is an overriding weakness in areas such as mentality. To make a match day squad, you’d need 7 new additions. If those were better than what we have, in the areas of weakness (striker and defence) as well as being of the right profile in terms of having some genuine leaders, grit and winning mentality (thinking of the types of players Morgan, Huth and Fuchs were for us), I think we’d have a lot to be positive about purely from a playing squad point of view.

It’s not about that. It’s about developing assets. I’d rather we actually coached Stolarcryk to improve and not make these mistakes but it seems the club don’t give a f*** about coaching which leaves the easiest option being to toss these players on the scrap heap.

Maybe. I guess yeah, if it literally wasn’t costing the club anything, it’s quite eye opening either way. Either, the club did pay for it and can’t afford it. Or they paid for it and have just decided not to bother. Either way, not a good argument for the foot soldiers who defend them on the basis of their generosity (citing the give away at games). Or it doesn’t cost the club and is given for free to them as you suggest. In which case, not doing it is another reason to suggest they are pissed off with the fans. And it makes the generosity argument fall down if the club have never actually paid for it! A garbled way of putting these thoughts down but ultimately, nothing that reflects very well.

Another club that the club is skint? And not talking just PSR terms but real terms…

I wasn’t even his biggest fan but thoughts he would come back to us or any club at this level is pretty delusional tbf. Never going to happen. There’s also managers we could find in the lower leagues/abroad who would be much better with bringing young players through as well.

This is a particularly relevant point. It looks like at least one, possible two, established clubs will come down, unless Leeds fall back into it. Wolves certainly and maybe West Ham or Forest. Next season will be harder.

Of course you want to go up. But rather than signing the likes of Ayew, Skipp and BDR (even thought the latter 2 have been good in the past few weeks for us), you sign players on the up with the ability to grow and develop and also with resale value. Done with fees and wages that are manageable. That way, if you go down, you are well positioned to go again. In reality, irrelevant as we have no realistic change of promotion.

Agree to disagree. Or rather there always people on both sides of the fence. So both GKs had/have people defending them and both with people criticising. I wasn’t saying nobody criticised Hermansen when he cocked up. Of course they did, plenty of times and rightly so. My perception was he got a lot more excuses made for him and defence from certain quarters than Stolarcryk does for the same issues. Ultimately it’s not tangible as posts are made in all sorts of threads at different times so it’s not something there is data for! It is perception and if you disagree and think they have both had equal criticism and defence, then ok. We all have our views and I respect yours. It’s not like either are stupid points of view on something as like I say, it is just how you as an individual perceive your reading of the forum.

I remember a lot of ‘well it’s going to happen sometimes when playing this way’ and ‘he’s earned us enough through his playing out to justify the mistake’ etc etc. Whereas with Stolarcryk, despite the data showing he has prevented the most goals (as of when the data was posted a couple of weeks ago), he seems to get none of the benefit that Hermansen had. The Ipswich goal he was called stupid etc. Which yes ok, but look at the more or less identical one posted further up from the Blackburn game 2 years ago. I bet if you looked back at the match threads, the reaction would be a lot more forgiving and justifying. Hermansen definitely got a lot more leeway for his mistakes due to people loving him for the playing out ability whereas many were on a downer about Jakub before the season even kicked off. Which is why I say he has the ‘not Mads’ factor going against him.

Yeah I get it. It wasn’t a case of having a go at you or anything as you weren’t being massively critical. It was just the reference to a list of possibly better keepers in this league. And I think it’s easy to look at keepers in positive sides who are doing well and make these assumptions. Iverson is a very interesting one as he was deemed not good enough for us but is now doing really well. I always defended him at the time and said he wasn’t a bad keeper but was not suited to what we were trying to do at the time. If you swapped the two now, I bet Iverson would struggle here and Stolarcryk would look class at Preston. But yeah, I agree with you not a major problem.

I don’t believe all of those are better keepers than Stolarcryk. Jakub has a few things going against him; - Playing behind one of the worst defences in this league, particularly for mistakes and exposing the keeper. He gets no protection. - No quality coaching. - Toxic club atmosphere. - Not being Hermansen in the eyes of many fans. If one of those you had listed was playing for us and Stolarcryk was at a Preston or Coventry, it’d be roles reversed. Iverson would be getting pellets (as he did when he was here) and the same with the likes of Rushworth. And we’d have people saying how much better that Stolarcryk is than our keeper. I don’t know if this forum is worse for it or not than others, but there’s a real issue with differentiating between bad players and where bad form and mistakes are as a result of the major issues within this club. It also depends much on whether a player has been accepted by the fan base. Hence how Hermansen got defended constantly for the same mistakes Stolarcryk gets slaughtered for. Do we not wonder why players like Iverson and Johansson do well once they have left us?

Well if you’re going to be this negative about young players having one bad game, it warrants a stupid reply to be fair! I have no issue with you. You’re a solid poster on here. By your own admission in one of your posts further up, you said you are probably being overly negative on account of being disillusioned with everything about the club (or some wording to that effect, not that exactly). I’m fed up with then club also. But a grabbing any positives there are to not give up completely on the club. And bad game on Saturday aside, Nelson is most definitely still a positive.

Yeah you’re right. Let’s get rid of anyone who has a bad game and play James on his own 👍 Oh and I never said about him playing above Championship level (though I think he will). I said he’ll be playing above us.

How many are actually saying this about Braybrooke? I was banging the Nelson drum because he is better (or will be) than what we have in that position. At the same time, I can’t see Braybrooke making it into our first team so business wise, we’d be well advised to try and take advantage of his form and make a sale. Even if it’s a very modest fee, it’s pure profit. Nelson though, I would be shocked if he isn’t playing higher than we are in 2 years time as he will have left us by then.

I’ve always said it’s his mentality that’s the problem. I still believe he has enough talent to have been successful enough at this level. This is based on what we have seen when he has had his higher points. But he doesn’t have the mentality of someone who can perform at all consistently. The new contract isn’t really good for him (unless it’s all about the money). He could have gone down a level and tried to reinvent himself and still had time on his side to make a decent career in the EFL.

It’s fairness, it’s a wider issue of over reactions on this forum. I know I said it’s healthy to not feel tied to a view but there’s also so many over reactions. I think this is why OTT criticism gets picked up on, particularly when it’s about the youngest players as there is not the sample size to draw these conclusions on. I’m also surprised a (small number of) people take exception to youth players being backed and championed. It’s natural to take pride in home grown players and to not have that pride is a bit odd tbf.

Definitely one who has been quite vocal across numerous posts. Perhaps I overestimated thinking it was more. I have seen others away from this forum as well to be fair.

Definitely not 99%. We have an oddly large proportion of supporters who seem to take exception to youth players doing well. Again, look at Barnes, Chilwell and KDH as examples. Most people sit in the middle, want them (and any player) to do well. Praise when they have good games and criticise when they don’t. But, and it’s probably a male pride thing, but there’s a lot of people who have to nail their colours to the mast early to be seen as right. About any player/manager etc. Me personally, I see football and form as a changeable thing. Sometimes the club of a player goes on a strong run of form and then have bad games or a run. You can’t just decide after a few games and not be open minded to change views. It’s not a weakness to do that. So people writing off Nelson now is silly. Whereas some of the senior players have had enough changes, it is probably fair to by now.

Criticism is fine. I just think you can tell a lot from the tone of a post and the one I replied to of yours sounded quite bitter. And then the comment separating yourself from those who champion youth players, like you are ashamed to be associated with them. I’m no psychologist but it gives the impression of being inherently anti-youth player, rather than just having a default of wanting them to do well, whilst calling it how you see it if they have a bad game. We must be one of the worst fan bases for championing and taking pride in players who come through our academy to go on and be successful. It’s a shame as it is the blue print for a club our size to be successful. Or part of the blue print.

Thing is, silly comments like this water down the credibility of posts. Luke is massively disappointing for us. Silko a bit early to say. But yeah, sure, put them in whatever league those are in and they will be out their depth… Both would likely have decent EFL level careers if they were elsewhere. Even if that was a league or below this.

Bang on. I said the same at the time re Aluko at Southampton. There were genuinely grown men on here buzzing at the fact an 18 year old kid got sent off on his full debut so they could say I told you so. Our fan base is embarrassing in general but that was one that takes the biscuit! But it was the same with Barnes, Chilwell and KDH who were similarly criticised. In fact when people ran out of reasons to find fault with KDH on the pitch, attention turned to trying to tar his name but claiming him not to be one of our own etc. Wow he was born in the hospital in Nottingham before being brought home to his family home in Leicestershire. So was I. Get over it, you’re grown men.

He likely won’t be signing a new deal and why would he. So probably makes sense to sell him anyway. Ben Nelson will definitely spend the next 10 seasons of his career playing at a higher level (talking when averaged out) and achieving more than Leicester City will.

You sound very disappointed about youth players doing well I have to say….

Think to the digs Vardy has made towards Rudkin as well and the fact he mentioned everyone apart from him when he left….

Given the same poster probably never criticises Vestergaard and Faes, yes. Come on, calling for Nelson not to play again is massively extreme no?