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I agree. I'd like to ship most of them out but that's a different point.

This is an oft repeated criticism here and I think it's a little harsh. We have to choose a manager from a vanishingly small list of candidates and one that we think has the best chance of delivering success. Why narrow our parameters to follow a rigid dogma? We don't have that luxury. Just get the best man for the job.

Yes, but you just said that they weren't good enough for The Championship. That's not true. Whether or not they are good enough for the Premier League is a different matter.

Most of the squad have literally proven that they are by winning The Championship title.

I think you just have a different perspective on the job that Rohl has done at Wednesday to myself and many others. It was much better than 'alright but no more', in my opinion. Let me put it to you another way. Name someone that we have been linked with or who is attainable that is better? Dyche has the experience you crave, for example. Would you prefer him? Rohl heads the short list by dint of being the most attractive option.

I think his first season resurrecting a dead and buried Wednesday side was miraculous. He has also done well in his second season making that same Wednesday side competitive and achieving a mid table finish amid a backdrop of non-payment of wages and also plays attractive football. None of this makes him the second coming and no one said that he was. He is an up and coming manager with a good recent record. All he has to be is better than the other uninspiring names that we have been linked with from Dyche to Martin. If he were any more than that he wouldn't be an option for us.

Plus we gained an unexpected £2.5m by beating Ipswich and finishing a dazzling 18th instead of a lowly 19th.

What? Have you met Leicester City FC 2025? Maddison played alongside Tielemans, Barnes and Prime Vardy, Wilf and Ricardo. BEK played alongside a knackered Wilf and Vardy with Skipp, Ayew, BDCR and Soumare. What can he do among that lot?

That's not a fair comparison. Maddison played in a team that crossed the halfway line now and then.

You can add Justin to that list as cover and also Wilf if he were to stay

And if we stay down we will be in an even bigger mess without the PL money

I agree and I think that the financial mess demands promotion and we will likely still have the players to deliver it. We don't have the luxury of having a year set aside for rebuilding.

I tdon't really understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that RVN is the one to cause our rivals sleepless nights? If so, I beg to differ. especially when you factor in that he just led us to our worst ever top flight season. In fact our worst season in history along with setting a new record for non-scoring consecutive defeats.

It is a good point, but to counter that, none of the other names linked to the club are really going to get our rivals trembling.

Worse than that, I never saw a glimmer of hope that he gives a toss.

I wouldn't discount him for that. When I was growing up we had Brian Little from Darlington and O'Neill from Wycombe and Peter Taylor from Gillingham....(well two out of three ain't bad). We're back where we were now, with not very attractive options wherever you look. I think a punt on an up and coming manager might be worth the risk. You might just unearth a gem whereas settling for mediocrity will get you just that.

Perhaps if Frank had unforgivably 'checked out' while still accepting an obscene wage, ripped up a successful model, relegated us and left us with a legacy that is still hurting us today and will continue to for the foreseeable future, failed to spot that Danny Ward isn't a goal keeper, lumbered us with expensive, dreadful players and smarmed the media like none of this was his fault, perhaps then, Brentford fans might have a different view.

Well our nearest rivals were Spurs on 38 points. If you think there a manager on earth that could have wrung 38 points out of our mob, I beg to differ. I'm just saying that 16th was a false position because Palace and Wolves were much better than their position at the time and left us in their wake. The exact point that we were relegated (rather than the official date) is an interesting one. Was it when Enzo left and took KDH? Was it when we blew the budget on Skipp, Okoli and Ayew? Was it the Danny Ward Wolves game?

Has anyone done the 'farewell sweet prince' thing yet?

The more that I read from this thread, the more disillusioned I become with any of the names mentioned, with the exception of Rohl perhaps. There must be someone else. I think you make a good case for Wellens. Considering the paucity of our options, I'd be willing to go for an up and coming manager rather than one of those stale merry-go-round names.

We were 16th ahead of Palace and Wolves who had awful starts. Those teams finished on 53 points and 42 points respectively, so saying that we might have stayed up because we were 16th is meaningless really.

There is plenty out there to suggest that Vichai bought a club to bond with his football obsessed son (Top), but if you know better, let's hear it.

Whatever Top's shortcomings running the show on his own, I thought that he was a football obsessive. So much so that that was the reason Vichai bought the club.

Body language. Lack of engagement with the fans, more interested in schmaltzing the opposition players, going through the motions without offering much in the way of changes or showing any signs of anger or even stress as we racked up defeat after defeat without scoring. Big dopey grin. Appears to accept defeat with a shrug. Meaningless office-style platitudes and cliches in interviews. Has form for going missing when the going gets tough. I just don't think he is particularly committed if he ever was and I am yet to see any evidence that he cares or is hurting. I have long thought that he is waiting for the sack and a payday.

Don't you think Ruud has checked out some time ago?