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same. I honestly don't understand everyone who gets teary-eyed about players treating their job... like a job. unless you've somehow cemented yourself as a complete club legend (Vardy) and you want to preserve that as a player, which I can understand, to some, is more important than just 'more money'. but for most - it's money and opportunity to prove yourself at the highest level. the guys who get upset every time a player leaves and come out with all this 'BuT AfTEr eVErYThInG We DiD fOR HiM' nonsense... gimme a break.

every last thread on the forum is a BR thread these days. can't have a single discussion anywhere without some 'BR out' obsessed poster shoehorning in the same nonsense comments like a broken record. we get it you don't like him, have a day off. hE's SinGLeHanDEDly KilLiNg dA ClUb!

<3 big nige 4eva idst

things could be going better sure, but silver lining is; I'm almost enjoying watching the guys who've completely lost their mind over Rodgers more than the football at the moment. guys are waking up seething, spending all day on FT seething, going to sleep seething, probably dreaming absolute FUME. I heard Rodgers is selling his house as he currently gets free rent in so many people's heads he doesn't need to live there anymore.

Good assessment.

the mystical unicorn Iverson who people on here see *checks notes* precisely never to judge his ability however, Rodgers is purposely picking the more dog shit keeper of the two because *checks notes* he wants to lose football matches.

good post, very measured but how are guys gonna FUME with rationale like this?

he likes it here by all accounts? maybe an improved contract, captaincy, and surrounding him with half decent players instead of some of the dog poo he's been carrying the last couple of years... who knows, maybe he'll stay?

for me it's not about people that won't admit anything. I just fail to understand people who refuse to change their opinion, some fluidity in their thinking. people call it flip-flopping - oh he changed his opinion after just two or three games or whatever - like revaluating the situation based on new evidence is so awful. becoming entrenched in an opinion and digging in isn't a good thing - it's stubborn and shows an inability to reassess and form new opinions based on new or changed evidence. we see it in all sorts of things - from politics, to football, etc. it's not a healthy way to think about things in my opinion. someone can do good things and bad things and can be both criticized and praised at the same time. we've got guys on here holding onto comments from like 3 years ago or using things that were said in throwaway press conferences as a stick to beat the guy with even though there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. It's not about winning an argument online or getting one over on someone or scoring internet points. not about getting someone to admit they were wrong or whatever - I just question people because I struggle to understand some of the proper dug in entrenched opinions that are based on mostly speculation and hyperbole. I get questions the man's tactics, or selections, or the way he handles pressers sometimes but to HATE the man, to despise him so much that even if we won the league under him you'd still want him gone? why? what did he really do that was SO bad? just seems weird to me.

and the classic: hE wILL rEVeRt BaCK tO HiS WAy

bUt HeS ChANgEd HiS WaYs! when just a few weeks ago he was so stubborn he'd never change his philosophy because of his MASSIVE ego.

I mean, nipping at the heels of the top 6 is currently 11 points away. 3 more wins - which we've been within touching distance of a few times this season. considering the absolute car crash of a start we're hardly a million miles off under the fraud snake oil salesman that is Brendan, are we? lots of ambitious clubs in the PL - plenty of them refusing to lie down and roll over to let little old Leicester consistently exercise their right to 7th place. it's tight.

I'm not going to go through all of the answers again - I don't have time and I'm not being argumentative with you at all, just interested in knowing how you come to some of the conclusions you do. But this one above - we're going to park it because even though it's glaringly obvious to you that Rodgers sees us only as a stepping stone to the 'big time', you're unable to give any proof as to what he's done or said that actually shows that? He's been here 4 years - longest serving only behind pep and klopp now, I believe? He's also said many times he likes it here and has a good relationship with Top. Just those two things alone are surely more evidence to the contrary than you're willing to provide to back up your alternative opinion?

Because it was why we were struggling? We had injuries, we had players who wanted out. We weren't spending to rectify it. I'm pretty sure in the same breath he was saying the players we had were trying their best but in certain positions just weren't good enough. And I'm inclined to agree - looking back it just seems like an honest assessment of the situation. It's up to the individual whether they like this sort of thing being aired in public - but it doesn't make it incorrect, imo.

He explicitly came out and said this at some point? I mean, the thing is - 'reasons' do matter. Lots of circumstances change, things happen that all have an affect on people to do their jobs properly all of the time. We're supposed to completely discount any outside factors from affecting our ability to do our job properly? has he? I'm sure I've seen multiple sources suggesting our spending has been pretty low in recent seasons? Again - 'whatever grudges and gripes' - with all due respect you (as well as I) have zero idea what these issues are? Are we discounting the fact that there may be some genuine reasons we don't know about for why these players have been omitted? We call it bad man management - maybe the players frozen out have had awful attitudes or been terrible in training and actually excluding them is good man management? It doesn't seem like any of the other players featuring have taken any issue? Love Marc but I'm not sure he's the answer to that problem. I'm sure with a run of games we'd have found plenty to fault about him as well. We won the league with him what, 5/6 seasons ago? No Thomas hasn't really improved - but a myriad of players have improved under Rodgers. If we're going to use Thomas as a stick to beat him with, surely we have to look at the players who've come along under his leadership too? I'm sure Rodgers saw Bertrand as a last minute signing that could bring some experience to that area and help Thomas develop. The fact Bertrand got injured / sick immediately and never featured... well, not sure Rodgers could do much about that? Possibly? But again, it's a bit of an assumption that those players would have been injury free. We've had plenty of players who've stayed fit through Rodgers tenure.

do we? or are those just words? he's been here 4 years - one of the longest serving managers currently in the PL. some stepping stone. the board didn't seem to take it that way considering they didn't push him? the players didn't seem to down tools? the fans outside of FT didn't seem to vexed? where were the protests FT was pushing for? where was the boycotting matches? like i've said - he's not free from criticism, far from it - but so much of the things that I see posted like the above are just hyperbole without much actual foundation, imo. I get people are frustrated but there's a complete unwillingness to look at the bigger picture sometimes. Rodgers has been part of a much bigger problem imo - and we're starting to see that play out - in that we're improving with some investment in the squad. arguing that he should have been getting better out of the remaining players - well for me there's a few things to consider: 1. yes, we have some players capable of playing better than they have done in the last 18 months. the players also have to shoulder some of that blame. unfortunately, some of those players, because of injuries, or players who aren't interested or capable in positions around them, have suffered. football is a game of chemistry - players like barnes suffer when his partner on that side aren't up to the job. and he hasn't been. we've seen that happening across the entire pitch for the last two years. 2. Im sometimes inclined to agree that perhaps rodgers should change his tactics to suit the squad he has left. but on the other hand, if we've spent 2 years trying to play a system, should we completely bin that at the first sign of trouble? it worked for us previously - it clearly stopped working when we lost a large number of our better players to injury etc. it's clearly working again now we've got some personnel who suit the plan again. tbh - I actually think you sometimes have to credit someone who has a vision of how things should be done and sticks with it even through a difficult period. chopping and changing isn't always the answer either. we could have quite easily reverted to what people consider 'golden' style of Leicester football that we played in 15/16 and found out very quickly that that isn't the answer we're looking for - the game, as much as people hate to admit it, has changed since then. my points above dont really matter anyway. unlike some on here i hardly claim to be a master tactician who thinks they can outthink the likes of actual football managers. i wish i could, id be earning a lot of money. on some level I trust that someone like rodgers knows better than I, what team to pick, which players to freeze out, what to say to the board, the media, the fans, etc. and dont tend to pull apart every little thing that goes on. I find my enjoyment of football a lot more relaxing that way.

I just fail to see how all of the things he supposedly said were so upsetting tbh. I feel like some people read way too deeply into throwaway comments and took far too much of it personally / to heart. 1. Were the fans good enough - not really, imo. We're happy to get behind the team when the going is good but as soon as we hit a wall we go into quiet negativity mode instead of giving all out support a go first. Very little middle-ground with our support. 2. He said we needed new players - was he wrong? Doesn't look like it. 3. Were some of the players not giving their all / not committed enough? We've known certain players have been on the way out for ages and not giving their all, it's hardly a revelation. Was he right to throw them under the bus? I mean, yeah - maybe. 4. Freezing out players - nobody on here has the slightest idea what goes on behind closed doors. Why players are frozen out, etc. It's all speculation. If you know so much and understand the game so much, and think you could handle man management aspects of football players so well - how come you're on here with your pie in the sky musings and not out there earning 10m a year managing a PL football team? He didn't get it spot on, far from it - but people act like he walked in the centre circle whipped out a home shirt and laid a hot dog egg on it at half time. Like I've said before - the hardcore FT spit-the-dummy-out crew have wondered why everyone else isn't as outraged as them - at games, on here at times, etc. Maybe it's just other people haven't lost the plot over the things that have been said as much. The most anger I've been able to whip up against Rodgers for some of his comments is a strong 'meh'. And I can get plenty angry about the right things. It just doesn't seem he's really been all that offensive, imo. All the vitriol and 'little goblin' shit people come out with is pretty cringe stuff.

I'll expand on that, I get my joy out of a rivalry by actually playing and beating rivals. Seeing them languish in the leagues below was fun but so is playing them and beating them.

Nope

not really fussed about forest being in the PL with us tbh. They're here now and there's less interesting teams I'd rather go down and tbh it's more fun to aim to be better than them and beat them twice a season than not have them here at all.

I feel like so many people fail to take Thomas' shortcomings into account when pointing out Barnes poor performances. Obviously not all down to Thomas but having a capable partner on your side makes a huge difference in your ability to get forward properly.

The FT way bro, can't moan about the result or the manager tonight so gotta let off that negative energy somehow! He's not great but he's nowhere near the absolute car crash people make out. Below average yes. Could we do better, yes.

or he just needed new players like he said and the club ended up agreeing when we were skirting around the bottom of the table? not everything is some big brendan rodgers conspiracy theory

look what happens when you have players who can make that happen always some backhanded compliment give it a rest innit