Dan

The problem you have at this club, I alluded to it in another thread is that we've set a standard and give allowances to everyone based on a squad that achieved the pinnacle for us. We reward players as if they're league winners. Schmeichel did it but his commitment could never really be questioned. I don't think we can really make these allowances for new players - particularly this lot. Jordan on BSLB touched on a bit of a point in that he thought Winks was a consumate professional, a good egg etc... but thinks otherwise now. The trend I'm spotting is that virtually everyone here seems to get tainted. I really believe if you gave us say, Elanga, Hudson-Odoi etc.. at the time of when Forest signed them, they would likely be completely tailing off as players now. There's something rotten at the core here.

It's astounding. We'd take 10k to this most years.

And agreements like this - exactly the sort of nonsense that builds into the overall lack of pride in the club / city. We are being taken the piss out of by every single person at the club.

Never managed to fully shake the discomfort of adding Spurs losers to this already soft as shit dressing room. Taken its time (aka when we're not playing teams we have 10 times the wage bill of) but we got there. Get him gone. Will start our opener though.

Maresca was a complete fluke. Agents job. No credit for the board.

I knew things were bad but Jesus Christ.

At Cooper's PPG we'd be on 25 points - that is about where I think it would be. Still in the race but will ultimately be relegated.

For what it's worth I'm not one bit fooled. He carries a lot of the can for his utterly dreadful recruitment which achieved absolutely nothing. Good money wasted on players with no resale value and players who haven't delivered anything in the short term either. But if you're him I think you're having a bit of a laugh to yourself right now. He got 59% of our points in 40% of our games. This is how I'd be spinning it if I was him. I've never really known a managers stock potentially rise in a season where he was so poor himself.

On a sensible contract, where he starts maybe 20% of the games I would. What it really means though is just another iteration of this nonsense we've seen this season.

It would be extremely on brand for us to do this. After all it's one less thing for those 'running' the club to go. Another corner cut. It's absolutely ludicrous that they've forced us to a point where we're having to criticise him. Sums up how inept they are.

If we truly didn't care we'd not be on here. I would suggest most of us are holding out some hope that things can turn for the better again one day. Despite how negative I feel I do think it'll get better one day. I don't see the route to how, or when, but it can't stay like this forever.

Think this is what is letting us off the hook - teams knowing they can take a breather. Brentford for example we benefitted from them having a midweek game afterwards so they conserved energy and only won 0-4 when they could quite easily have racked up 7/8. Last night another - bit of a piss take from Man City really, but again you assume they are just conserving energy for a derby at the weekend. Forest will have no mercy against us. They've shown they've got it in their locker. I'd be quietly relieved if that one was 2/3-0. Bournemouth have fallen apart lately but they also have shown they have it in them. Get things back together somewhat and they could stick 5 on us without really breaking sweat. Possibly 7/8.

Just occurred that RVN has basically screwed Manchester United over. Manchester City at the weekend, and they have essentially had a week off where United had to play.

I do wonder if it will come out in future that the club was being sabotaged on purpose. Can't explain why they would do it, but I don't really know how you can serve up this level of incompetence otherwise.

Cooper was rubbish but he was comfortably better than this. He's the only one, bizarrely, who has come out of this looking quite good.

What's mad to me is how obvious it is to anyone who takes a quite casual view. What's useful in football is there's a very obvious measure of your success so it really isn't hard to identify when things need to be changed. You could've put the last relegation down to a freak (I wouldn't personally) but this now is definitive proof that things need to change. I can't remember a squander quite like this one to be honest.

I don't think it quite comes to double relegation but decline is all we know. I tend to make pessimistic predictions about us that turn out to actually be optimistic when measured against what plays out. So if I feel we'll be about midtable, maybe it can actually be significantly worse. We're relying on luck to get us out of this. Just like we did with Maresca. No skill involved in that whatsoever.

Lost 6 of our last 12 in the Championship last season. We got worked out, just too late for it to stop us going up. I doubt we get as lucky next time. It's a bad league but as ever our eye will be off the ball partly due to the delusion bred by winning a league we had an enormous advantage over last time. They'll cut corners and blow it next time. We've underachieved virtually every year under Aiyawatt.

Avoids my birthday, thank god for that.

Jokingly said I was going to watch Liverpool v Everton yesterday when I saw our team. Two minutes in I actually did just turn it off, stuck Southampton v Palace on for 13 minutes out of intrigue to see if there really is a side worse than us (there isn't), on went Liverpool v Everton. Not seen another thing from our game. I didn't think it would get to a point where I'm not just not going to games, but am actively not watching them either. It's partly an age thing but it's primarily due to the disgusting sabotage of the club.

The big problem here is that Aiyawatt wants to take all of the glory, be the centre of attention and hand out awards without having any reason to do it. He wants to do the rewards first, rather than the success. That's why he made such a big deal out of the procession promotion last season. It was a perfect chance to justify his ridiculous position. They got attached to being the heroes of the show after 2016 and you've now got a situation where everyone who plays for us gets treated like they achieved something. It's like a private company having a special workforce make a few million a few years back but those have all now moved on and those today are still reaping the rewards. They've all got ferraris as company cars with nothing done to achieve it. Combine this with their generally lazy, corner cutting approach and a fanbase who for the most part holds them to very little accounts. It's a seriously damaging situation where only decline can possibly occur. How far down we go, it's really hard to say.

yet Ipswich v Wolves dodged TV? What on earth is going on?

Pass on a message to Rudkin that he's a twat please.

Hand on my heart, I don't think I could do worse. It's just not for him. Terrible reflection on the state of Dutch football that he won a trophy over there. Steer well clear of there for the next few years.

An absolute joke that this non contest is on TV. But then again this is the same company who've replaced experts with youtubers so it's no surprise. 0-3 obviously.