Dan

We're just obviously bad aren't we. We've morphed into Forest in no time.

Me but now rather than 12 years old

I dunno. Al-Ahli possibly.

Right now we've gotten through the Rudkinomics, lets hope he's as big a **** to the opposition as made out.

Maresca was well onto Rudkin, I think he was really trying to force change above him. Teflon Jon for a reason though. Chelsea come and save the day.

I honestly think KDH felt forced into it. I could be being very naïve but I really don't think he fancied that move. He got rattled here a couple of times over silly things. I don't think it'll take much for it to get on top of him at Chelsea. There's a sentiment that he's the teachers pet who replaced Gallagher. They're going to be demanding more than I think he can give. I feel him ending up on loan here in January is actually quite inevitable. Can see it being a bit of a torrid move for him.

Think they're a decent side to catch early given they've just lost their 'glue' in Palhinha. Do think Silva's teams often play above the sum of their parts though. I quite like him. He achieves this while playing pretty entertaining stuff. Cooper's got to have improved his away form substantially since Forest. 13 points away in 28 games is absolutely woeful. I think narrow loss. 2-1 or something. Would take a point but these are one of the more beatable teams you would imagine. Never feel like we do very well against Fulham.

Honestly think Maresca's got absolutely no chance at Chelsea. I usually think that a good manager can shine through even in tricky circumstances, inept board etc... but Chelsea are such a mess, owners with absolutely zero feel for the sport that have manifested such a mess of a situation that I really don't see how you're going to make it click. Maresca's going to be viewed as the owners puppet, KDH is going to be Maresca's golden boy. Their fans will turn more and more on their ownership this season and by extension those two are going to get a lot of the brunt of it. They both have to hit the ground running and I'm not convinced they will. I can totally see KDH being back here on loan in January.

This annoys me more than the player himself. This should clear up the Rudkin debates anyway.

Of course. The club apologists will defend each notching down of the expectations each time as well and pretend we don't notice. So lets hold them to it. Two more attackers in next week. I bet it's something like Doak on loan and that's that.

Glad we got there in the end!

This is the other side of it for me. Could you imagine us getting this sort of fee for a player we don't want? How obvious does Rudkin's ineptness have to be for it to be pretty much unanimously agreed?

Tete didn't work but how much did that actually cost us? We weren't lumbered with him for another three years. This signing has potential to be better than Tete. It also has potential to be a lot worse. We're not covered.

It's pretty obvious already this is what he wants, he was supposedly like this at Swansea, and I think he's had more of a hand in the Forest chaos than what was made out. But beyond his personal preference it's the fact we just cave into those demands. We appoint managers who are very different from each other, let them dictate our transfer policy and end up with this never ending mish mash of players. Rudkin is truly, truly terrible. He's dictated to by managers and agents and seems to come out of 90% of deals we make on the slight wrong side of value. We end up pissing around for weeks, months failing to get players in and then panic on things like this. We're the only club outside of Saudi Arabia who'd pay that for Skipp and Ayew. We also hardly ever sell anybody. Rudkin's ineptness is a massive bottleneck for us. It's so obvious to the point I just can't be bothered even debating it anymore, people believe what they want to believe. But we're stuck with this so what hope have we got? There's no serious pressure on them to force change either. This place and Twitter are echo chambers.

You've been about the biggest moaner in here to be honest.

We were doing this a year ago as well. We were taking punts on these types of players, such as Fatawu and Hermansen - two players with 0 minutes of PL experience before the other night who ended up being two of our best players in that game. We already have a lot of PL experience - as much as basically anybody who has ever been promoted. We really don't need to pay a premium to get more of it. This is Rudkinomics at its finest and Cooper's recruitment is a huge red flag to me as well. He got a free pass from basically everybody because Marinakis is a cretin but it's pretty obvious already he had more to do with it than made out. The fact Rudkin has just caved into this as well. We've learnt literally nothing.

The deal that encapsulates everything about this ridiculous regime. You can't fix stupid.

I don't know if this is the case for Glover but I'm a little more sympathetic as I knew that previous scouts were often ignored or overruled.

Tapsoba was actually lined up in the window we ended up signing Ryan Bennett. True story

I have left early before but I only do it when it's clearly game over (though I did leave at 4-0 at Bournemouth one year and we got it back to 4-2, I had a few minutes where I thought what the **** have you done ) but I do think people who leave early with just a goal in the game are mental. Like I don't really know why you'd go at all if that was the case.

Yeah Fatawu was an exception as we had an obligation. Getting him out of Tony Bloom's grasp is going to be like doing a marathon on the sun.

He's really really good.

First 50/55 minutes was everything I feared, arguably even worse. But futbol eritage is alive and kicking. The turnaround in performance and attitude after that goal. Really hard to not be encouraged by that. We went into the first game against Brentford two years ago off the back of a dire summer where we'd been hoping that the football would distract us but it just reinforced everything bad going on. This time around the game has genuinely lifted spirits. The second half was the first time in ages I felt like we were playing above ourselves.

Another £20mil on Ayew? Don't give them ideas.

We are the only club in this country who would cough that fee up for a midfielder who doesn't even massively fix our issues. Absolute insanity again. This is what happens when you have inept staff put you on the back foot and you end up panicking.