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  1. Premier League, 2017-2018 Season Thread

    Incredible striker, not an incredible player, has much more to add to his game to be considered that.
  2. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    No, you're avoiding answering I can't tell you what you think is wrong, I can't tell you what you wanted to reply to Alf but decided not to. If you think he's wrong at any point I'm interested to know why. And if I'd already decided, why would I be asking you to reply to it? Now you misrepresenting my view by assuming what I think, which @Foxin_mad I can put him right on by telling him I don't think that, which is something I couldn't do if he'd was misrepresenting what I'd said, because he'd just keep coming back and telling me I'd said something I hadn't.
  3. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Well I can't tell you what you think he's got wrong, so I'd like you to counter against anything you feel he's wrong about.
  4. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    I'm really interesting in how you think he's in anyway wrong tbh.
  5. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Well no I wouldn't actually, because if someone said all that about me and I thought they were wrong, I'd want to tell them why.
  6. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Misrepresenting views and misrepresenting comments are totally different things. If you misrepresent my views, tell me because I voted a certain way I must believe X, Y and Z, I can argue that, I can tell you why you're wrong about me. If you take everything I say and make out as though I said something else, how can I argue that. I say A you sat I'm saying Z, what can I do? I correct you, but you do it again, how can I counter that, how can I tell you you're wrong about what I said when you're just not listening, when you're just bending it to fit your agenda. I'm not saying mispresenting views is a good thing either, but you can counter it, you can prove people wrong, you can't when people are lying about what you actually say.
  7. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    This one. There's no reply to it. Maybe you wrote it but didn't post it. You reply to leicsmac bit not Alf.
  8. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    Sorry you feel that way Wymesy. I don't do that at all, I just don't put with with shit from others. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice back. If I feel you're taking the piss, being horrible, lying, misrepresenting, or talking bullshit, I'll tell you, be it here or in real life.
  9. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    I'm not telling anyone how to post, I'm just saying it how it is, and pointing out why certain posters are being perceived in certain ways. We all have our moments, Webbo just pointed one out and it isn't great what Rog did. My point is I think a lot of people find Webbo a pain to discuss things in here with, not just on one occasion but all the time. We all over step the mark, we all twist things at times, but we don't all do it all the time, and that's my point. I just want, in the most part a proper debate, where I'll accept the occasion slip up. People will argue their corner, and that's what I see most people doing, be it you, Buce, Toddy. Moose, MattP etc I don't see them twist what people say and misrepresenting their comments, which I hope you can see is constantly happening with Webbo. Also I'd say the fact Webbo hasn't bothered to respond to Alf's excellent post from yesterday, where he pretty much says what I said but much more eloquently, and pulls apart his behavior towards fox ulike and donut speaks volumes, as he clearly has to answer to it. And it's the kind of posting Alf rips into in that I'm talking about happening, not just once or twice but all the time, and it ruins what could be excellent debate. And I wasn't telling you how to post, just pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining about someone not answering a question when you are the master of avoiding them.
  10. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    I don't want to have to "Just rise above it" though. I want to engage in reasoned, proper debate, not have my comments twisted and distorted by someone at every opportunity. That someone being someone I can't put on ignore because they are a mod, and I don't particularly want to because in every other thread they seem a perfectly reasonable and nice person.
  11. Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

    You don't read people posts properly, constantly misrepresent what they say, and make arguments that have nothing to do with the discussion just to steer the debate on to ground you have more chance of being the victor on. You're not necessarily offensive, just a pain in the arse to discuss anything with in this thread, and a major reason why I rarely post in here any more. It's nothing to do with the side of the fence people are on a totally the way they conduct themselves. I think it's proven by the shear number of people who you've had run ins with over it, be it myself, Carl, Alf, Toddy, Fox Ulike, Buce, and I could go on. I hope as you say you can moderate it a little bit, and actually engage in decent discussion, as you clearly have an interest in politics.
  12. Interesting news topics.

    I bet he's from Bolton.
  13. Championship 2017/18

    The other downside is you have to own Sunderland.