interesting stats

[Babylon]

Cambi isn't a striker but people have been hero worshipping his shots and yet he's hit the target just 5 of 18. If that's decent then Vardy's is exceptional.

Hero worshipping his shots? Really?

 

As for the shot stats, the vast majority of Vardy's shots are inside the area, the majority of Cambiasso's are outside the area. The stats also don't take into account whether the shots on target were straight at the keeper, or well saved etc

[Fox92]

According to ESPN

 

Goals scored

 

Cambiasso 4

Vardy 3

Schlupp 3

 

Shots/Shots on target

 

Schlupp 37/7

Vardy 32/16

Cambiasso 18/5

 

Surprisingly Mahrez has most shots 52/19

 

Assists

 

Vardy 6

Cambiasso 1

Schlupp 1

 

Fouls suffered/Fouls committed

 

Schlupp 43/26

Vardy 21/31

Cambiasso 10/12

 

I think these stats reflect that Vardy and Schlupp have been far more beneficial to us than most people say.

 

Vardy is shooting 1 out of every 2 on target, Has by far the highest assists and it is Schlupp who teams are most worried about fouling him far more than any other player and far more than he fouls (James is the only other player to have a positive statistic in the fouls table).

 

Thoughts?

 

I'm not surprised, he always comes inside and shoots.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Typical.

I've not once said Cambiasso is 'shite'. Not once. What I have said is I don't rate him as much as the masses AND he needs support due to his ageing legs.

The 'shite' I referred to was alluding to people's mass criticism, (there's been threads on it) of young Schlupp.

Even though the stats pretty much suggest otherwise?

Cambiasso's thread....amazingly positive.

Schlupp's thread..pretty much the opposite.

When the stats suggest they've been pretty much equally as effective/ineffective.

Ironic? Spot on.

 

 

While true of the wider forum you'll have a way to go to find a post from me criticising Jeff, I seem to be one of the few who sticks up for him and recognises what he offers the team.

[Guest]

18 shots, 5 on target and 4 goals, dunno how you're trying to dress that up as a bad stat.

Don't quite get your aggression. I haven't said it's a bad stat.

 

I've said that Vardy's is a better stat.

 

Get on the Vardy bandwagon and relax.

[Guest]

Hero worshipping his shots? Really?

 

As for the shot stats, the vast majority of Vardy's shots are inside the area, the majority of Cambiasso's are outside the area. The stats also don't take into account whether the shots on target were straight at the keeper, or well saved etc

 

 

I'm not surprised, he always comes inside and shoots.

 

You two do know that there is a better chance of scoring from inside the box don't you? That is the point of shooting. Your replies point to the fact that Vardy is capable of beating players and getting into the box. another positive for Vardy.

 

The same site also shows the stats for dribbling, crossing and losing the ball if you care to look.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Don't quite get your aggression. I haven't said it's a bad stat.

 

I've said that Vardy's is a better stat.

 

Get on the Vardy bandwagon and relax.

 

What is at all aggressive about that post?

 

I don't see how less shots and more goals is a worse stat than more shots and less goals? How, exactly, is 3 goals from 32 shots a better stat than 4 goals from 18 shots? That's not even a case of interpreting the stat to suit anyones particular argument. Very odd.

[Guest]

While true of the wider forum you'll have a way to go to find a post from me criticising Jeff, I seem to be one of the few who sticks up for him and recognises what he offers the team.

 

And that was another part of this thread. Stats to show that we're right about Schlupp, he's a big and positive part of the team.

[Guest]

What is at all aggressive about that post?

 

I don't see how less shots and more goals is a worse stat than more shots and less goals? How, exactly, is 3 goals from 32 shots a better stat than 4 goals from 18 shots? That's not even a case of interpreting the stat to suit anyones particular argument. Very odd.

 

Your agression was how defensive you came about Cambi when this thread doesn't attack him only shows stats which are quite good I think. 75% pass completion is good.

 

With regards your intepretation of the stats - I like the point. It's a shame that he shoots so few shots (especially given how many more minutes he's played). He should shoot more - clearly - I guess it's more difficult for him though as he's a midfielder with defensive responsibilities too.

[Babylon]

You two do know that there is a better chance of scoring from inside the box don't you? That is the point of shooting. Your replies point to the fact that Vardy is capable of beating players and getting into the box. another positive for Vardy.

 

The same site also shows the stats for dribbling, crossing and losing the ball if you care to look.

What on earth are you talking about. You were using the stats to show Vardy was better at Shooting than Cambiasso were you not? The point I made was that it's easier to hit the target when shooting from inside the box than outside of it. It's also easier to be in the box when you're a striker and not a CM.

 

And ultimately his shooting isn't that good anyway as with all those extra shots and all that extra time in the area he's come away with one less goal.

 

Trying to compare shooting stats of three players in three completely different positions is fruitless.

Edited 14 April 2015 by Babylon

[David Guiza]

I think that 16 of 32 shots being on target is a pretty convincing statistic. 

 

Look at everyone else's in our team!

 

Cambi isn't a striker but people have been hero worshipping his shots and yet he's hit the target just 5 of 18. If that's decent then Vardy's is exceptional.

 

We've had a big problem scoring from chances this season, perhaps Vardy is the answer.

 

btw narrowly wide is less useful thatn going out for a corner. shots need to be on target.

Well yes and no. Of course that's a great return, but it's still only very few goals (hopefully more to come before the end of the season!!). It's good to know that Vardy is hitting the target as often as he is missing it, but those stats can also be used to back up so many other things. E.g. Cambiasso has scored more goals than the other two in less than half of Jeff's attempts, and almost half of Vardy's etc.

Of course neither is great, but in terms of building pressure on the opposition, a shot that strikes the post, goes inches wide is far better than a daisy cutter or one that goes for a throw in, is it not?

As I said though, stats can back up or disprove almost anything. The only ones I'd take any notice of personally is assists and goals.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

I think assists are the most bodged stat out there, as when talking of individual stats it's the one that is most heavily reliant on another person. Mahrez should have a few assists this season, the fact the chance hasn't been put away shouldn't count against Mahrez, but that's the way the stat works.

[Guest Col city fan]

While true of the wider forum you'll have a way to go to find a post from me criticising Jeff, I seem to be one of the few who sticks up for him and recognises what he offers the team.

Good. So do I. I'm with you.

Now YOU go back and find a single post where I've suggested Esteban is 'shite'.

I've said he's had 'stinkers' (I think he has). I've also acknowledged where he's had some great games too.

Finally, I've consistently tried to say that Pearson playing him in a central midfield two has not often enabled us to get the best out of the player.

Cambiasso has been an exceptional footballer. He's a real asset to us now. But I've not been as bowled over with him as the majority have been.

Schlupp, for me, played to his strengths has got great potential. Yet, as you rightly say, he's generally been vilified on this forum. The love for Esteban, the disdain for Jeff is unfair. And isn't backed up by the stats.

As for Cattermole? Yes, I said pre season that we needed a 'Cattermole type player'. His name came to mind as a player I thought could realistically sign.

With the benefit of hindsight I should have said such a player to ACCOMPANY Cambiasso. And I stick with that.

[ImBlue]

I think assists are the most bodged stat out there, as when talking of individual stats it's the one that is most heavily reliant on another person. Mahrez should have a few assists this season, the fact the chance hasn't been put away shouldn't count against Mahrez, but that's the way the stat works.

Are winning penalties 'assists'?

[ImBlue]

Cattermole is just so piss poor it's unbelievable. To honestly have his name in the same thread as Cambiasso is just an insult.

Considering Cattermole offers such protection to the back four, and cambiasso hasn't got the legs,it's a mystery why Sunderland have conceded only 3 less than us.

[Captain...]

Hero worshipping his shots? Really?

As for the shot stats, the vast majority of Vardy's shots are inside the area, the majority of Cambiasso's are outside the area. The stats also don't take into account whether the shots on target were straight at the keeper, or well saved etc

Or missing an open goal... (Chalk up 2 for Cambiasso)

[Captain...]

Are winning penalties 'assists'?

Not if we don't score them, I also don't think Vardy was credited with the assists against Man United.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Will Vardys goal go down as a Cambiasso assist this weekend or did Mcauley touch it before Vardy got to the ball?

[NotTheMarketLeader]

According to ESPN

Goals scored

Cambiasso 4

Vardy 3

Schlupp 3

Shots/Shots on target

Schlupp 37/7

Vardy 32/16

Cambiasso 18/5

Surprisingly Mahrez has most shots 52/19

Assists

Vardy 6

Cambiasso 1

Schlupp 1

Fouls suffered/Fouls committed

Schlupp 43/26

Vardy 21/31

Cambiasso 10/12

I think these stats reflect that Vardy and Schlupp have been far more beneficial to us than most people say.

Vardy is shooting 1 out of every 2 on target, Has by far the highest assists and it is Schlupp who teams are most worried about fouling him far more than any other player and far more than he fouls (James is the only other player to have a positive statistic in the fouls table).

Thoughts?

You've just confirmed what I have known since the first day I saw him play - Jeff is as someone put it, is 'shite'.

We all know he's a diabolical left back - we don't need figures to solve that one, but these numbers prove how terrible and ineffective he really is.

At 18.9% that's less than 1/5 shots HIT THE TARGET

1 assist from God knows how many minutes on the pitch.

8.1% of his shots have resulted in goals.

These are awful numbers, which prove what I have said for a long long time - he's stealing a living at this game, and some of you lot, much to my amazement have not realised it yet.

Edited 14 April 2015 by NotTheMarketLeader

[Babylon]

Or missing an open goal... (Chalk up 2 for Cambiasso)

Exactly!

[Larry_LCFC]

Would you like some fish for your other shoulder?

 

Sorry!

Took me a second to work that one out

[Stadt]

Jeff gets fouled more therefore is more dangerous?

[Fox92]

You two do know that there is a better chance of scoring from inside the box don't you? That is the point of shooting. Your replies point to the fact that Vardy is capable of beating players and getting into the box. another positive for Vardy.

 

The same site also shows the stats for dribbling, crossing and losing the ball if you care to look.

 

I said nothing about shooting or chances, just said it's no surprise Mahrez is top. 

[Guest]

I think assists are the most bodged stat out there, as when talking of individual stats it's the one that is most heavily reliant on another person. Mahrez should have a few assists this season, the fact the chance hasn't been put away shouldn't count against Mahrez, but that's the way the stat works.

 

 

You've just confirmed what I have known since the first day I saw him play - Jeff is as someone put it, is 'shite'.

We all know he's a diabolical left back - we don't need figures to solve that one, but these numbers prove how terrible and ineffective he really is.

At 18.9% that's less than 1/5 shots HIT THE TARGET

1 assist from God knows how many minutes on the pitch.

8.1% of his shots have resulted in goals.

These are awful numbers, which prove what I have said for a long long time - he's stealing a living at this game, and some of you lot, much to my amazement have not realised it yet.

 

Same assists as Cambi from less minutes yet you think Cambi is the bees knees. And Cambi's big strength passing is only 1% better than Jeff. You are right to say nice things about Cambi but your comments on Jeff are pathetic.

 

Jeff gets fouled more therefore is more dangerous?

 

Well yes, He gets fouled more because he tortures the defenders with his speed and all they can do is bring him down. Imagine if Cambi's legs were as fast as his mind.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

What about what I've said there is incorrect? don't get the aggression. If you create a goalscoring chance but it isn't put away you don't get an assist, if you pass a ball sideways on the half way line and the person you pass it to beats 5 players and smashes it in the top corner you get an assist. To me it isn't a very accurate stat.

Edited 14 April 2015 by Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot

[Stadt]

Same assists as Cambi from less minutes yet you think Cambi is the bees knees. And Cambi's big strength passing is only 1% better than Jeff. You are right to say nice things about Cambi but your comments on Jeff are pathetic.

Well yes, He gets fouled more because he tortures the defenders with his speed and all they can do is bring him down. Imagine if Cambi's legs were as fast as his mind.

Wingers get fouled more anyway. I'm pretty sure teams would rather let schlupp have time in the ball than cambiasso.