MooseBreath Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 But what relevance does that have to anything? That's private income, it's got nothing to do with the NHS funding and nothing to do with us working more hours for less pay in unsafe conditions. It is kind of relevant. If the "unsafe conditions" are a consequence of too many hours worked, while doctor's are busy topping up their income by working additional hours in extracurricular roles then surely the first way to address the safety issue would be to prevent doctor's taking on extra jobs. It's not really fair on the tax payer to strike for your right to have a relatively easy ride at work so you've got enough energy to carry out additional roles as well, is it? Maybe if doctor's weren't taking on these extra jobs then tiredness at work wouldn't be a problem, and I think as tac payers we've got the right to expect doctor's to prioritise their main job and make sure they can carry it out safely before they take on other gigs.
Wymsey Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 I don't bother using my local GP/GPs anymore. When I had come to see them and told them what the problem is, they have appeared disinterested/lacking support and just told me to 'eat and drink healthily'. One of these GPs has a Bentley and a Porsche, and owns a well-known school - I really expect better than this considering he's on (he's quite senior) around the £100K+ mark and considering than the health problems I informed him of haven't completely gone away despite his 'advice'.
Guest MattP Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 Who is saying that because I find that very concerning. It's certainly not what I have read in the media and in the communications sent from the BMA around the time of the ballot. What is clear is that we will not return to a negotiation table at which 22 of 23 conditions are non-negotiable, unless an arbitrator is appointed. That's been the BMA stance for months. And again, with respect, I'm not overly interested in the perception of attitude. I'm interested in facts. And again, there is NO question of us asking for more money. None whatsoever. We already work weekends, we already work nights, we do not wish to work more hours for less pay at the behest of a Government that lies, slanders, misrepresents critical evidence and wants the run the NHS into the ground. You've put up a pretty good argument in this thread but lines like the last one really don't do you any favours, already a lot of people think this is a politically motvated cause and comments like that won't help you. Looks a little daft as well after that same government has just fronted up an additional 4billion to it yesterday.
Darkon84 Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 I don't bother using my local GP/GPs anymore. When I had come to see them and told them what the problem is, they have appeared disinterested/lacking support and just told me to 'eat and drink healthily'. One of these GPs has a Bentley and a Porsche, and owns a well-known school - I really expect better than this considering he's on (he's quite senior) around the £100K+ mark and considering than the health problems I informed him of haven't completely gone away despite his 'advice'. His surname's not Dyer (Dyah maybe) by any chance is it?
Bryn Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 It is kind of relevant. If the "unsafe conditions" are a consequence of too many hours worked, while doctor's are busy topping up their income by working additional hours in extracurricular roles then surely the first way to address the safety issue would be to prevent doctor's taking on extra jobs. It's not really fair on the tax payer to strike for your right to have a relatively easy ride at work so you've got enough energy to carry out additional roles as well, is it? Maybe if doctor's weren't taking on these extra jobs then tiredness at work wouldn't be a problem, and I think as tac payers we've got the right to expect doctor's to prioritise their main job and make sure they can carry it out safely before they take on other gigs. It's completely and utterly irrelevant, we're not doing this kind of extracurricular work as I've stated multiple times. That's consultants. Easy ride? Absolute joke if you genuinely think that.
Bryn Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 You've put up a pretty good argument in this thread but lines like the last one really don't do you any favours, already a lot of people think this is a politically motvated cause and comments like that won't help you. Looks a little daft as well after that same government has just fronted up an additional 4billion to it yesterday. It is politically motivated individual part, I don't deny it. I wouldn't strike for that alone but ideologically I believe the current government does not desire to preserve the NHS or protect the welfare of its staff or patients beyond that which they must to keep up appearances. I wouldn't strike for that in isolation but I believe it.
Wymsey Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 His surname's not Dyer (Dyah maybe) by any chance is it? You've got it. You couldn't imagine him in being such a professional role as this by looking at him. I'm not the only one moaning about him. Dr. Simpson is alright, though.
Darkon84 Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 You've got it. You couldn't imagine him in being such a professional role as this by looking at him. I'm not the only one moaning about him. Dr. Simpson is alright, though. Haha, I don't know him in that capacity, but I've met him on more than a few occasions. You certainly wouldn't have him down as being a doctor, perhaps he could take some of his own advice I still have no idea how he drives those cars! I'm sure he may well be a nice guy at home etc, but let's just say I'm not a big fan of his.
Guest Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 Seems to many of you don't know what a junior doctor is. A GP is not a junior doctor so irrelevant to this thread.
Guest MattP Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 It is politically motivated individual part, I don't deny it. I wouldn't strike for that alone but ideologically I believe the current government does not desire to preserve the NHS or protect the welfare of its staff or patients beyond that which they must to keep up appearances. I wouldn't strike for that in isolation but I believe it. It's good you do but I wouuldn't admit that to the reporters on the picket line if I were you.
GaelicFox Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 My respect to your wife. That's what I call working for the community. These are the people that deserve the higher wages, the people we should value but our system is ****ed up. Yea she is an amazing lady , amazing cos she cares and gets paid feck all for caring Amount of times she has got out of bed at midnight to ring a ward and remind them of something she thinks she forgot but hasn't at all but because she cares she double checks Hard job , I couldn't do it
Guest Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 Yea she is an amazing lady , amazing cos she cares and gets paid feck all for caring Amount of times she has got out of bed at midnight to ring a ward and remind them of something she thinks she forgot but hasn't at all but because she cares she double checks Hard job , I couldn't do it Nor me. piss and shit are out!
Bryn Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 I should have written "in part" there, typo. We've been pretty clear that we believe the NHS is not in safe hands with Hunt and I don't think we should hide that. What i feel is important personally and from what I've been told by the BMA is that this is not about one issue, it's a multitude of issues and we feel forced to strike because we're not being given an alternative means of contesting changes we believe are ultimately damaging to patient care. Edit: keep making mistakes! Hopeless at typing on a phone.
Rincewind Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 Seems to many of you don't know what a junior doctor is. A GP is not a junior doctor so irrelevant to this thread. That is why I have stopped posting on the subject. I will leave it to the ones that are junior doctors and know what they are talking about. adieu
GaelicFox Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 Even a few years ago 700 British GPs were earning more than £200,000 a year. With doctors, and nurses too in some cases, it's not just their salaries, there are extras for working in the private sector, for endorsing medical products and treatments, for giving lectures, writing columns, appearing in adverts and so on. No wonder they feel overworked and good luck to them. But I can do without the sob stories. There can be brilliance when there's a real emergency or when a life is under imminent threat but bottom line is that many aspects of the basic service are awful. I've seen it first hand in Leicester on virtually every occasion I've had involvement. As for the long hours and pressured demands they can always chuck it in and come work winters on the market, often for sweet damn all when conditions are bad.. You could always pack in the market and go through a 5-7 year education and training programme with one of the higest fail rates in academia The work 60-80hrs a week as a junior !
GaelicFox Posted 25 November 2015 Posted 25 November 2015 Nor me. piss and shit are out! That's a minor couple of issues !
Bryn Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 We're open for business tomorrow. A+E is emergency care so will be fully staffed. My ward has 3 consultants covering it, normally there'd only be two juniors! Don't fear to attend if you or a loved one are unwell.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 Jeremy Hunt reminds me of something that slips out of a goats arse. You want to temporarily stop the threats to impose new contracts the night before the first day of industrial action, after everyone's had their appointments cancelled? Make your mind up you melt. He is a worm and nothing more.
Bryn Posted 30 November 2015 Posted 30 November 2015 Excellent news. Glad to be going to work tomorrow really.
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