Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 I'll get accused of hating on Jezza again but that was a complete joke today. How Cameron can cruise through PMQ's like he just did after the week the Conservatives have had is beyond me. Anyone got the leaked "hostile to Corbyn" list online?
Darkon84 Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 I'll get accused of hating on Jezza again but that was a complete joke today. How Cameron can cruise through PMQ's like he just did after the week the Conservatives have had is beyond me. Anyone got the leaked "hostile to Corbyn" list online? I'm only just catching up on it now, but the Guardian have released the list, linked below. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/23/labour-mps-hostile-corbyn-leaked-party-document
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 I'm only just catching up on it now, but the Guardian have released the list, linked below. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/23/labour-mps-hostile-corbyn-leaked-party-document Cheers mate, the chief whip who is responsible for party loyalty is in the "hostile to Jez" section. John Woodcock's Tweet that was deleted after about 30 secs
SMX11 Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Douglas Carswell tweeted something similar. Utter shambles. The problem is this Conservative front bench is a disaster as well, not good for the country.
Guest MattP Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 The Conservatives have been a complete and utter shambles ever since they were elected in May. The fact they lead in most polls by as big a margin as they do says everything you need to know about the opposition. British politics is a total mess at the minute, a party cocking up everything and they remain the only viable government.
Rincewind Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 There was a protest outside but the BBC are not allowed to film it. https://www.facebook.com/inmynewsfeed/videos/1158319234178654/
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Not a great one today, Corbyn totally irrelevant again, Cameron really going on Labour on their Islamist extremist links again with Sadiq Khan, probably more of a desperate attempt to boost Goldsmith though who looks beaten already in the mayoral election. Get the feeling everything is just a prelude to the EU vote at the minute.
Rincewind Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 In your opinion has Corbyn ever been relevant? I cannot remember you giving him credit for anything. I'll take your word for it as I never saw PMQ so am not not qualified to dispute your summing up. I saw where some Blairites were saying after the Cameron fiasco Labour should be doing better. Well if they spent more time fighting the Tories instead of squabbling amongst themselves and supporting Tory policies maybe people would have more faith in them. I still think they are all as bad as each other.
Webbo Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Why weren't you watching PMQ s Ken? We're you reading about a man in a hotel or a woman on the beach?
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Not a great one today, Corbyn totally irrelevant again, Cameron really going on Labour on their Islamist extremist links again with Sadiq Khan, probably more of a desperate attempt to boost Goldsmith though who looks beaten already in the mayoral election. Get the feeling everything is just a prelude to the EU vote at the minute. How is the Governments white paper on schools not a relevant topic? Especially as there's wide ranging concerns within the Tory party about it, not just from the Labour side? You do realise the majority of political commentators from all sides of the press had this as a strong Corbyn win today?
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 In your opinion has Corbyn ever been relevant? I cannot remember you giving him credit for anything. I'll take your word for it as I never saw PMQ so am not not qualified to dispute your summing up. I saw where some Blairites were saying after the Cameron fiasco Labour should be doing better. Well if they spent more time fighting the Tories instead of squabbling amongst themselves and supporting Tory policies maybe people would have more faith in them. I still think they are all as bad as each other. He was very relevant at the start, a new leader with an suppose "new politics" had just taken over the opposition party, but it's just tiresome already, there doesn't seem to be anything different, no ideas and no real desire for anything except a bit of class warfare and moaning about people who have a few quid. It's not just at PMQ's though, it's everything, they even cut off him on BBC news when he was speaking about Europe as no one really cares what he says apart from the fanboys that elected him. Unfortunately he just isn't cut out for this, he doesn't have the debating skills and I don't think he is even bothered in acquiring them either. Hopefully the results will be as bad as polls indicate in a couple of weeks and they can start the process of becoming a proper opposition again and start holding this recently awful government to account.
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 How is the Governments white paper on schools not a relevant topic? Especially as there's wide ranging concerns within the Tory party about it, not just from the Labour side? You do realise the majority of political commentators from all sides of the press had this as a strong Corbyn win today? Glad you reminded me, I'd actually already forgotton what his questions were about today, all six were on that as well weren't they? I'm having serious trouble believing that second line, most of those on Twitter I read were taking the piss out of Corbyn for not even landing a blow.
Darkon84 Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 No surprises here then. The immediate 'go-to' retort from anyone on the left when anyone mentions anything regarding Islam MP's shout 'racist' at Cameron http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/mps-shout-racist-at-cameron-after-comments-on-sadiq-khan-in-pmqs
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Glad you reminded me, I'd actually already forgotton what his questions were about today, all six were on that as well weren't they? I'm having serious trouble believing that second line, most of those on Twitter I read were taking the piss out of Corbyn for not even landing a blow. Jason Groves - Mail Norman Smith - BBC Michael Wilkinson - Telegraph John Rentoul - Independent David Maddox - Daily Express Jason Beatie - Mirror James Forsyth - Spectator Nigel Morris - I James Lyons - The Times Andrew Sparrow - Guardian All made Twitter comments that suggested in their opinion it was a Corbyn win. Fancy trying again?
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 No surprises here then. The immediate 'go-to' retort from anyone on the left when anyone mentions anything regarding Islam MP's shout 'racist' at Cameron http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/mps-shout-racist-at-cameron-after-comments-on-sadiq-khan-in-pmqs http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/zac-goldsmiths-extremist-attack-line-backfires/
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Jason Groves - Mail - " Norman Smith - BBC - Michael Wilkinson - Telegraph - John Rentoul - Independent - David Maddox - Daily Express " Jason Beatie - Mirror James Forsyth - Spectator Nigel Morris - I James Lyons - The Times Andrew Sparrow - Guardian All made Twitter comments that suggested in their opinion it was a Corbyn win. Fancy trying again? These are your definition of people stating it's a "strong Corbyn win"? I've read half of them and they basically saying he didn't do bad for once, a bit like the judge who gives a boxer the last round of a fight when he finally managed to land a punch or two after failing for the eleven rounds before. hardly a load of political heavyweights either is it? No surprises here then. The immediate 'go-to' retort from anyone on the left when anyone mentions anything regarding Islam MP's shout 'racist' at Cameron http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/mps-shout-racist-at-cameron-after-comments-on-sadiq-khan-in-pmqs Of course, not something that's ever going to change is it? There is no chance of Labour getting to grips with this with the current leadership in charge.
Darkon84 Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/zac-goldsmiths-extremist-attack-line-backfires/ Oh dear. Slight backfire, though there's still, as also mentioned in the article, a large difference between a chance encounter and photo, and multiple meetings etc. I still think it was a valid question to raise, it wasn't racist, and the reaction from the opposition was as predictable as ever. Immediately jumping to call people racist does far more harm than good.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Oh dear. Slight backfire, though there's still, as also mentioned in the article, a large difference between a chance encounter and photo, and multiple meetings etc. I think it was still a valid question to raise, and I don't think it was a racist question either. Yes, but it's the "others" that have also been involved below it that doesn't help - because you can see they were meeting on a more official capacity.
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Oh dear. Slight backfire, though there's still, as also mentioned in the article, a large difference between a chance encounter and photo, and multiple meetings etc. I still think it was a valid question to raise, it wasn't racist, and the reaction from the opposition was as predictable as ever. Immediately jumping to call people racist does far more harm than good. As I said earlier they know Goldsmith is going to lose so they might as well try and throw some mud to get him back in it, some of Khan's friends are slightly dubious though to say the least, this guy isn't the only one.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 These are your definition of people stating it's a "strong Corbyn win"? I've read half of them and they basically saying he didn't do bad for once, a bit like the judge who gives a boxer the last round of a fight when he finally managed to land a punch or two after failing for the eleven rounds before. hardly a load of political heavyweights either is it? Dear oh dear - strong evidence provided and you still try a pedal a line. From the Times correspondent: "Corbyn forensically questioning Cameron over forced academisation - his best #pmqs by far. What could have changed?" Telegraph: "Corbyn found fire in his belly on academisation. "We appear to be heading into some kind of fantasy land here." A good day for him #PMQs" Mail: "Corbyn on good form for once at #PMQs. Not many Tory voices backing Cameron on forced academy schools"
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Dear oh dear - strong evidence provided and you still try a pedal a line. From the Times correspondent: "Corbyn forensically questioning Cameron over forced academisation - his best #pmqs by far. What could have changed?" Telegraph: "Corbyn found fire in his belly on academisation. "We appear to be heading into some kind of fantasy land here." A good day for him #PMQs" Mail: "Corbyn on good form for once at #PMQs. Not many Tory voices backing Cameron on forced academy schools" Fair enough, I thought the whole thing was a non-event but will happily give you a Corbyn victory today, although it's still clearly based on how poor he has been in previous weeks. Anyhow, the real results we'll start to see in a few weeks in the only place that matters, the ballot box.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Fair enough, I thought the whole thing was a non-event but will happily give you a Corbyn victory today, although it's still clearly based on how poor he has been in previous weeks. Anyhow, the real results we'll start to see in a few weeks in the only place that matters, the ballot box. It's not about "giving me a Corbyn victory" - it's about showing a balanced mind rather than letting a bias frame a view. By showing a complete disregard to the reality, you do your own comments on here a disservice, because people can see how strongly you lean to one side.
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 It's not about "giving me a Corbyn victory" - it's about showing a balanced mind rather than letting a bias frame a view. By showing a complete disregard to the reality, you do your own comments on here a disservice, because people can see how strongly you lean to one side. It was my own personal opinion, we're all biased on here, even you. I said on here a few weeks ago he won, I can't remember which one, I didn't see that today.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 Not a great one today, Corbyn totally irrelevant again, Cameron really going on Labour on their Islamist extremist links again with Sadiq Khan, probably more of a desperate attempt to boost Goldsmith though who looks beaten already in the mayoral election. Get the feeling everything is just a prelude to the EU vote at the minute. You didn't make it clear you didn't watch it here? Plus the only bias I have is to my own view... but those views can span across the left and right of politics and I tend to do a bit of research into ares before I take a full view. What I dislike is a view being peddled without true foundation and where I see that, I will pick people up on it.
Guest MattP Posted 20 April 2016 Posted 20 April 2016 You didn't make it clear you didn't watch it here? Plus the only bias I have is to my own view... but those views can span across the left and right of politics and I tend to do a bit of research into ares before I take a full view. What I dislike is a view being peddled without true foundation and where I see that, I will pick people up on it. When I said "Didn't see that today" I meant re Corbyn winning. I did watch PMQ's, as I said I found it very boring and half hearted.
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