PMQ's

[Sharpe's Fox]

Davey Cameron is a pie.

[Vlad the Fox]

There's nothing wrong with pantomimes.

Too right. Is Biggins in or out on the eu debate, or behind you?

[theessexfox]

Well they do debate policies at other times as well but the PM isn't usually there. It's half an hour once a week, I can't get angry about it no matter how hard I try.

I'm not angry about it, it's hardly one of the biggest problems facing our political system however the argument that because our PM appears in front of the House weekly means that his work is scrutinised heavily and brilliantly isn't really true. 

[Bryn]

They look and sound like a flock of ****ing seagulls.

[Webbo]

I'm not angry about it, it's hardly one of the biggest problems facing our political system however the argument that because our PM appears in front of the House weekly means that his work is scrutinised heavily and brilliantly isn't really true.

It's not the PM' s job to make the opposition look good. If he's not brilliantly scrutinised blame Labour.

[theessexfox]

It's not the PM' s job to make the opposition look good. If he's not brilliantly scrutinised blame Labour.

And it's not the responsibility of MPs on both sides to ensure a reasonable level of behaviour to allow proper scrutiny to take place?

[ousefox]

PMQs is not an adequate platform to scrutinise the PM - that's the problem. It's purely point scoring for the TV cameras nowadays. The lack of respect shown by the back benches of both parties, particularly the Tories with Corbyn, undermines the process.

Parliamentary Questions in general do seem adequate and written questions also seem to be answered well, but PMQs has become a joke.

[Rincewind]

Corbyn does well to hold his temper. He remains calm and waits until the cackle quietens down. It seems a good enough response to me which as others  have said will not be noticed. All the attention will be on what he was called how he is dressed not the imprtance of the question asked; Cameron rarely answers a question anyway, either blaming a previous government or repeating lines from previous PMQ.

Probably learned from MP's before  him Thatcher Blair  etc. It just shows how  out of touch they are when they can laugh  at someone for defending the  NHS.

[The Railway Man]

I'm not angry about it, it's hardly one of the biggest problems facing our political system however the argument that because our PM appears in front of the House weekly means that his work is scrutinised heavily and brilliantly isn't really true. 

 

It's the oppositions job to make sure this happens, the system isn't hopeless just because Jeremy Corbyn is crap at his job, all the other opposition leaders have done ok with it, if you watch Yvette Cooper at PMQ's she often had Cameron squirming all over the place, blame the Labour membership for putting a far left campaigner of pretty average intelligence into the position of what should be held by an erudite quick witted debator.

 

And it's not the responsibility of MPs on both sides to ensure a reasonable level of behaviour to allow proper scrutiny to take place?

 

The speaker has that job and he is hopeless.

 

PMQs is not an adequate platform to scrutinise the PM - that's the problem. It's purely point scoring for the TV cameras nowadays. The lack of respect shown by the back benches of both parties, particularly the Tories with Corbyn, undermines the process.

Parliamentary Questions in general do seem adequate and written questions also seem to be answered well, but PMQs has become a joke.

 

It's very good if the opposition are competant at it, Angus Robertson does a very good job of holding the PM to account as he isn't asking questions from Jill in Liverpool who wonders why her local community centre doesn't have a swimming pool.

[Guest Mee-9]

I thought that "Who are you" heckle was brilliant.

 

If you heard that in a comedy club you'd go home and tell your kids. 

[ozleicester]

, The (almost the) same guys and girls, wearing the (almost the) same suits with different coloured ties, and we expect a debate

 

The UK, the US, Aust and pretty much any "modern democracy", is two groups who hold basically the same beliefs arguing about which one gets to implement them.

 

All the while, suckers buy more junk they dont need, complain about taxes being wasted and fight with each other over how their man is better than yours.

 

 

[Vacamion]

, The (almost the) same guys and girls, wearing the (almost the) same suits with different coloured ties, and we expect a debate

The UK, the US, Aust and pretty much any "modern democracy", is two groups who hold basically the same beliefs arguing about which one gets to implement them.

All the while, suckers buy more junk they dont need, complain about taxes being wasted and fight with each other over how their man is better than yours.

All very cynical.

What's your alternative, then?

Signed,

One Of The Sheeple.

[ozleicester]

All very cynical.

What's your alternative, then?

Signed,

One Of The Sheeple.

 

Im not suggesting anyone is "sheeple".. and im one of them if they were... I dont have the answer, but surely its obvious that the Cons and Lab are basically saying the same thing, and more fool us for getting suckered into the debating of the irrelevances, instead of looking at the big picture.

 

We have people starving yet we throw away food.

We bomb people then tell them to stay where they are being bombed.

 

Thats just a couple of points that should be discussed and could be resolved...but instead, we talk about ties, haircuts and whatever mindless drivel that the existing power brokers use to distract us from the real issues.

 

Im not sure but the current "democracy" has existed for a little over 100 years...its not the only way to live there were, are, and will be alternatives.

[Mike Oxlong]

I don't get the chance to watch it very often but I like it. You can't beat a bit of cut and thrust.

That's what the Yorkshire Ripper said.

[Darkon84]

Blimey, it lasted about 10 seconds and went back and forth a couple of times. Anyone would think the entire house was sat there calling each other poo-poo heads and arguing over who's dad is bigger. Believe it or not, a lot actually gets raised and points put across from both sides, but I wouldn't expect that to be brought up as I expect the majority of people here moaning about it, never watch PMQs.

Yes it was a bit childish, but they are still real people and if you can put your hand up and say you've never had a little bit of 'back n forth' like that with anyone, even at work, then I feel for you. In fact, I know full well some of the people that are complaining about it, have had little digs etc at others on here anyway

[Guest MattP]

Blimey, it lasted about 10 seconds and went back and forth a couple of times. Anyone would think the entire house was sat there calling each other poo-poo heads and arguing over who's dad is bigger. Believe it or not, a lot actually gets raised and points put across from both sides, but I wouldn't expect that to be brought up as I expect the majority of people here moaning about it, never watch PMQs.

Yes it was a bit childish, but they are still real people and if you can put your hand up and say you've never had a little bit of 'back n forth' like that with anyone, even at work, then I feel for you. In fact, I know full well some of the people that are complaining about it, have had little digs etc at others on here anyway

 

Absolutely, it's a typical British trait these days, not really bother with something but see a great oppourtunity to have a moan about it anyway.

 

A million people tuned into PMQ's when Corbyn had his first one, I said within a year that number would be back down to the standard 350,000 as the hipsters find the next fad to move onto, it actually took about three months.

[David Guiza]

Blimey, it lasted about 10 seconds and went back and forth a couple of times. Anyone would think the entire house was sat there calling each other poo-poo heads and arguing over who's dad is bigger. Believe it or not, a lot actually gets raised and points put across from both sides, but I wouldn't expect that to be brought up as I expect the majority of people here moaning about it, never watch PMQs.

Yes it was a bit childish, but they are still real people and if you can put your hand up and say you've never had a little bit of 'back n forth' like that with anyone, even at work, then I feel for you. In fact, I know full well some of the people that are complaining about it, have had little digs etc at others on here anyway

I don't think anybody is deeply offended by it, just a little taken aback at the childish nature.  

 

Of course we've all made jokes like that at work, but I'm not a PM or MP and consequently don't abide by the same moral code that they do; I wouldn't make that joke to a client for example. I wouldn't really say that the two were completely comparable anyway, as the situation is too abstract. 

Nobody is saying that they have to live like robots and never sway from the mundane, but personally I think that making personal swipes about dress code and then sniggering like a school kid just makes him/them look like the privileged, classist fool(s) that he/they have always had the potential of being and almost certainly are.  

[Darkon84]

Absolutely, it's a typical British trait these days, not really bother with something but see a great oppourtunity to have a moan about it anyway.

 

A million people tuned into PMQ's when Corbyn had his first one, I said within a year that number would be back down to the standard 350,000 as the hipsters find the next fad to move onto, it actually took about three months.

 

It's the whole over the top, vying to see who can be more outraged and offended by every little thing, and quite frankly, its a worrying trait. Do we know what the viewing figures were for yesterday anyway, was it back down to the usual levels then?

 

I don't think anybody is deeply offended by it, just a little taken aback at the childish nature.  

 

Of course we've all made jokes like that at work, but I'm not a PM or MP and consequently don't abide by the same moral code that they do; I wouldn't make that joke to a client for example. I wouldn't really say that the two were completely comparable anyway, as the situation is too abstract. 

Nobody is saying that they have to live like robots and never sway from the mundane, but personally I think that making personal swipes about dress code and then sniggering like a school kid just makes him/them look like the privileged, classist fool(s) that he/they have always had the potential of being and almost certainly are.  

 

Of course no-one is actually offended, but as I said above, people are spouting off over one tiny thing, when they've not bothered to actually take in the whole affair (not necessarily you, but I think we can agree that a general statement will cover it on this occasion).

That's the thing though, the same people (again, not necessarily you), who are saying it's ridiculous behaviour for a PM or MP to be taking little swipes like that (because of the position they hold and they should act in a better manner), are the same people who were getting upset that others thought that Corbyn should have been presenting himself in a better manner at the start of his tenure as Labour leader, such as dressing more fitting for the occasion, the national anthem etc etc. It can't be both ways.

[Guest MattP]

 

 

but personally I think that making personal swipes about dress code and then sniggering like a school kid just makes him/them look like the privileged, classist fool(s) that he/they have always had the potential of being and almost certainly are.  

 

Both sides are as guilty as each other for class warfare, Dennis Skinner can barely get through a speech in the house without mentioning Eton or the Bullingdon Club these days.

It's the whole over the top, vying to see who can be more outraged and offended by every little thing, and quite frankly, its a worrying trait. Do we know what the viewing figures were for yesterday anyway, was it back down to the usual levels then?

 

Outrage is the new black.

 

Andrew Neil tweeted it the other week, it's generally about 250,000 for the Daily Politics upto 400,000 for Wednesday PMQ's, that rose to just under a million on his arrival but it's now back down below half a million again.

[Rincewind]

Didn't Corbyn say when he was running for leader that he wanted to end that sort of behavior and debate like adults. He looked disgusted at the cackling but did not respond in kind, just asked the speaker to bring some order.

It may make good TV  if it was a comedy show but these people are representing  you and I. He also said  that  people had become disillusioned with politics and politicians over recent years. I agree because I am one. I feel that  a lot of them are out of touch and when there is laughter jeering and finger pointing when certain issues are raised it is easy to see why.

They should leave the comedy for the commons bar 

 

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[Darkon84]

Didn't Corbyn say when he was running for leader that he wanted to end that sort of behavior and debate like adults. He looked disgusted at the cackling but did not respond in kind, just asked the speaker to bring some order.

It may make good TV  if it was a comedy show but these people are representing  you and I. He also said  that  people had become disillusioned with politics and politicians over recent years. I agree because I am one. I feel that  a lot of them are out of touch and when there is laughter jeering and finger pointing when certain issues are raised it is easy to see why.

They should leave the comedy for the commons bar 

 

Posted by a Foxtalker who rarely posts now ex Travian and a fellow City fan. Know him from Bloodbowl.

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153282899652455&set=a.10150339831832455.340933.598462454&type=3&theatre

 

 

Well the guy you've linked obviously just jumped on the bandwagon himself and doesn't pay any attention to PMQ's (as raised above) or he would see that those things actually get discussed. Besides, his attempt at being political and edgy loses credibility due to the spelling mistake in the title anyway. That could just be me being picky, but personally, if I'm going to try and make some big statement like that, I'll try to make sure it actually reads well for a start!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Well the guy you've linked obviously just jumped on the bandwagon himself and doesn't pay any attention to PMQ's (as raised above) or he would see that those things actually get discussed. Besides, his attempt at being political and edgy loses credibility due to the spelling mistake in the title anyway. That could just be me being picky, but personally, if I'm going to try and make some big statement like that, I'll try to make sure it actually reads well for a start!

[Darkon84]

 

Well the guy you've linked obviously just jumped on the bandwagon himself and doesn't pay any attention to PMQ's (as raised above) or he would see that those things actually get discussed. Besides, his attempt at being political and edgy loses credibility due to the spelling mistake in the title anyway. That could just be me being picky, but personally, if I'm going to try and make some big statement like that, I'll try to make sure it actually reads well for a start!

 

 

 

Haha touché, it did come across a bit like that didn't it

[DJ Barry Hammond]

It's just pantomime bollocks. It's certainly not even close to being an example of Parliamentary accountability at its finest.

It's not, it's a clever seed that Cameron is trying to plant in the nations subconscious... it may have seen a cheep shot, lacking of class, but it will get people thinking - is this the kind of guy that we want leading our country. As many a election has shown us, more votes are won on how you say things, not what you say.

[Webbo]

It's not, it's a clever seed that Cameron is trying to plant in the nations subconscious... it may have seen a cheep shot, lacking of class, but it will get people thinking - is this the kind of guy that we want leading our country. As many a election has shown us, more votes are won on how you say things, not what you say.

I think it's something he said off the top of his head in the heat of the moment which he probably now regrets. It's far more likely to cost him votes than win him any. There's no need for any conspiracy theories.