PMQ's

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Nick Clegg is a nice man with some good beliefs and I believe he genuinely thought he was going to make things better by going into coalition. Sadly he miscalculated, destroying his party's credibility in the process.

I think the same Bryn - but he's not going to achieve anything by releasing statements through the independent on a Friday evening when everyone else in politics is talking about something else.

[Guest MattP]

Good read though, he clearly doesn't regret the coalition and he shouldn't do. I still don't know how he sold out for AV instead OF PR either, although totally irrelevant as the public would have shunned PR in the same way, he almost seems to have forgotten the scale of that referendum defeat.

He's right on Labour's self indulgence as well, what can you say about a party who have now become more obsessed with virtue signalling than trying to protect the people they claim to represent?

[Webbo]

Nick Clegg did make things better by keeping Labour out of office then, at the next election the libs lost seats to the conservatives. Tough titties, that's politics. It's not like they weren't trying to win seats from the Tories.

He sounds like a bitter ex wife. His whinging only diminishes him in my eyes.

[Guest MattP]

£3 Tories obviously contributed but it shouldn't be forgotten Labour members on their own would also have elected Corbyn.

They have no one to blame but themselves for what awaits.

[Rincewind]

I think the same Bryn - but he's not going to achieve anything by releasing statements through the independent on a Friday evening when everyone else in politics is talking about something else.

I was in favour of the coalition even though it was with the Tories. I thought they would have enough influence and prevent destroying lives. They failed by creeping back into their shell. It was only the run up to the election that Clegg started to oppose the Tories. It was too late. It is too late now. The Tories can do what they want with very little opposition with Lib Dems losing seats and there being many Blairites remaining in opposition. If anything is said the subject changes to dress sense which distracts the general public attention away from important things that MP's should be debating.

[Carl the Llama]

The next conservative party manifesto should include a clause to educate their followers on the meaning of irony.

 

Matt you're the biggest character assassin of opposing politicians this board has to offer or indeed of other posters, you probably even take that as a compliment I'd bet.

 

Webbo you know you'd be polemical were a similar story to surface with Corbyn the one refusing to enact policies that benefit the nation because he believes the bit of the nation it helps are mainly followers of another political party.  In fact you sound a lot like Clegg yourself with "no time for people who whinge or whine".

 

As someone who cringes every time I see a politician on TV ignoring a question about policy to go off on a tangent about the evil tories I'd be equally uncomfortable as a tory to have it suggested by a credible source that these are the sort of antics my representatives indulge in.

You'll also notice I addressed my grievances to you two directly instead of doing the whole childishly talking about another member of the conversation in 3rd person routine.

 

Ken you're a star, keep up the good work.

[Rincewind]

I sometimes wonder why I bother. 

[Webbo]

The next conservative party manifesto should include a clause to educate their followers on the meaning of irony.

 

Matt you're the biggest character assassin of opposing politicians this board has to offer or indeed of other posters, you probably even take that as a compliment I'd bet.

 

Webbo you know you'd be polemic were a similar story to surface with Corbyn the one refusing to enact policies that benefit the nation because he believes the bit of the nation it helps are mainly followers of another political party.  In fact you sound a lot like Clegg yourself with "no time for people who whinge or whine".

 

As someone who cringes every time I see a politician on TV ignoring a question about policy to go off on a tangent about the evil tories I'd be equally uncomfortable as a tory to have it suggested by a credible source that these are the sort of antics my representatives indulge in.

You'll also notice I addressed my grievances to you two directly instead of doing the whole childishly talking about another member of the conversation in 3rd person routine.

 

Ken you're a star, keep up the good work.

All parties are trying to win votes and seats, why is it only considered evil or self serving  when the tories do it? The Libs, labour did plenty of crowing when the tories were losing, what goes   around comes around. Man up.

[Carl the Llama]

All parties are trying to win votes and seats, why is it only considered evil or self serving  when the tories do it? The Libs, labour did plenty of crowing when the tories were losing, what goes   around comes around. Man up.

I do wonder if you actually read my posts or just mentally substitute their content with whatever you want to respond to.

 

I'm sure you could come up with lots of rational arguments not to boost funding for social housing but surely you have to admit that 'because it helps opposition voters' is not one of them for a few obvious reasons.

[Webbo]

I do wonder if you actually read my posts or just mentally substitute their content with whatever you want to respond to.

 

I'm sure you could come up with lots of rational arguments not to boost funding for social housing but surely you have to admit that 'because it helps opposition voters' is not one of them for a few obvious reasons.

If David Cameron had accused Clegg of saying something like that would you believe it?Maybe it was a joke, maybe he didn't say it all. 

 

I can remember when Clegg was the most hated man in the coalition because of tuition fees, now he's a nice man who's been badly treated by those nasty tories.

 

Btw a person can't be polemic.

[Rincewind]

One politician has been reported in saying he is not in favour of building more social housing because it will mean more Labour voters. Interesting POV but surely if policies helped those people then they would not be Labour voters.

Someone once said that one of the ways to take control of a country is a little at a time and all parties attempt that. At the moment it is more obvious from the Tories. Well at least it seems that way to me. Their supporters would say they are more honest about it I suppose.

[Carl the Llama]

If David Cameron had accused Clegg of saying something like that would you believe it?Maybe it was a joke, maybe he didn't say it all. 

 

I can remember when Clegg was the most hated man in the coalition because of tuition fees, now he's a nice man who's been badly treated by those nasty tories.

 

Btw a person can't be polemic.

If it was claimed that Clegg demonstrated similar behaviour I probably would believe it and I'd be disappointed in him because although he's still a colossal berk in my eyes - the tuition fee scandal just one reason for it - he does strike me as an earnest fellow.

 

They can but you're right; the way I worded that sentence I should have said polemical.

[Webbo]

 

You'll also notice I addressed my grievances to you two directly instead of doing the whole childishly talking about another member of the conversation in 3rd person routine.

 

Ken you're a star, keep up the good work.

That's a fair point, I've edited it accordingly.

[Webbo]

If it was claimed that Clegg demonstrated similar behaviour I probably would believe it and I'd be disappointed in him because although he's still a colossal berk in my eyes - the tuition fee scandal just one reason for it - he does strike me as an earnest fellow.

 

They can but you're right; the way I worded that sentence I should have said polemical.

Still doesn't scan.

[Carl the Llama]

Still doesn't scan.

No it's good, I double checked after you queried it.  I think it may even stand as I originally wrote it but I've edited to be on the safe side not that it really matters.

[Rincewind]

Maybe he is polemic by being controversial..

[Claridge]

I don't think they have much of a political alignment other than whatever suits themselves. I've never felt like this country has ever had such a self-serving party.

What a stupid thing to say.

Where were you under the last Labour government?

Blair and Brown were the most self-serving politicians this country has ever had.

[Rincewind]

What a stupid thing to say.

Where were you under the last Labour government?

Blair and Brown were the most self-serving politicians this country has ever had.

Yes they were  but Cameron et al have taken self serving to a new level.

[Claridge]

Yes they were  but Cameron et al have taken self serving to a new level.

I don't agree,Gove etc... have stood by what they believe in (whether you agree with their policies or not).

Do you really believe all these labour mps want to stay in the EU? 

[Guest MattP]

Corbyn spends the whole of PMQ'S whinging on about teachers. I almost drifted off.

Think you already have that vote sewn up.

[Rincewind]

Well that is his role unfortunately. Speak for those who are unable to attend and speak for themselves. Maybe some teachers are pleased that an opposition MP is actually questioning a government's policies instead of agreeing with them.

If you were nodding off Matt you would make a great backbencher.

  :)

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Well that is his role unfortunately. Speak for those who are unable to attend and speak for themselves. Maybe some teachers are pleased that an opposition MP is actually questioning a government's policies instead of agreeing with them.

If you were nodding off Matt you would make a great backbencher.

  :)

Maybe JC's decided that this weekly pantomime is setup so much in Cameron's favour he'll try and bore them out of the news?

Got to be honest... I've been disapointed with what he's come up with recently.

[Guest MattP]

Maybe JC's decided that this weekly pantomime is setup so much in Cameron's favour he'll try and bore them out of the news?

Got to be honest... I've been disapointed with what he's come up with recently.

 

I wish that was the case but we both know it isn't, his problem is he hasn't ever really debated anyone and it shows, if you spend all your spare time at CND rallies and justice for Palestine events you won't be able to have robust replies to anything hence why as soon as Cameron asks him something back if immediately moves onto a new subject. A good opposition leader will hammer the PM until he has ran out of his brief of whatever the matter is.

 

Corbyn could actually do with a Foxestalk account, he'll learn more in debating terms on this site than he will sat in a room with Seamus Milne and John McDonnell, he's only attended one PLP meeting this year and refused to take questions, that's astounding.

[Rincewind]

I wish that was the case but we both know it isn't, his problem is he hasn't ever really debated anyone and it shows, if you spend all your spare time at CND rallies and justice for Palestine events you won't be able to have robust replies to anything hence why as soon as Cameron asks him something back if immediately moves onto a new subject. A good opposition leader will hammer the PM until he has ran out of his brief of whatever the matter is.

 

Corbyn could actually do with a Foxestalk account, he'll learn more in debating terms on this site than he will sat in a room with Seamus Milne and John McDonnell, he's only attended one PLP meeting this year and refused to take questions, that's astounding.

I thought that last paragraph said Facebook account. Why would he have a Foxestalk account he supports Arsenal (a good reason to hate him I suppose) Anyway now that I have copied it. https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/?fref=ts

Have fun.

[Guest MattP]

Cameron at his best today at PMQ's.

 

Absolutely delighted he finally went at the opposition regarding them attending sex segregated political meetings, I'd be making a hell of a lot of this as well given Labour are spent yesterday trying to claim they were the party of women.