PMQ's

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I think it's something he said off the top of his head in the heat of the moment which he probably now regrets. It's far more likely to cost him votes than win him any. There's no need for any conspiracy theories.

I wouldn't bet on it... The Miliband "week" point was brought up in the heat of battle I believe but was something that stuck.

The "unfit to govern" tag is something Cameron has been putting on Corbyn and so to target his "dress sense" is another part of this tactic and will work with some people - and I dare say those that find those comments distasteful are unlikely to vote Tory anyway.

[Webbo]

I wouldn't bet on it... The Miliband "week" point was brought up in the heat of battle I believe but was something that stuck.

The "unfit to govern" tag is something Cameron has been putting on Corbyn and so to target his "dress sense" is another part of this tactic and will work with some people - and I dare say those that find those comments distasteful are unlikely to vote Tory anyway.

He couldn't know a Labour MP was going to make a comment about his mother.

 

Anyway lets not pretend Labour don't throw mud too.

[Guest MattP]

I wouldn't bet on it... The Miliband "week" point was brought up in the heat of battle I believe but was something that stuck.

The "unfit to govern" tag is something Cameron has been putting on Corbyn and so to target his "dress sense" is another part of this tactic and will work with some people - and I dare say those that find those comments distasteful are unlikely to vote Tory anyway.

 

Miliband was being called weak by his own party as well as the Tories, he was weak as well, he was bullied around on a stage by Nicola Sturgeon so the thought of him standing up to other statesmen Vladimir Putin was laughable and worth talking about (although you can add any leader into that category given what has happened since, sanctions really worked well but that's for another thread).

 

As Webbo has said Cameron clearly couldn't have known a Labour MP was going to shout things across the room at him about his Mum so incredible for anyone to think he planned this.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Reminds me of Michael Fallon's comment about Miliband leading up to the GE, when he said he "stabbed his brother in the back and will stab the country in the back." Obviously about the lowest you can go in politics but rather than just a cvnt being a cvnt this was a deliberate ploy by Lynton Crosby in a campaign strategy called the "dead cat manoeuvre."

If you want to more here's a good article.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/20/lynton-crosby-and-dead-cat-won-election-conservatives-labour-intellectually-lazy

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Reminds me of Michael Fallon's comment about Miliband leading up to the GE, when he said he "stabbed his brother in the back and will stab the country in the back." Obviously about the lowest you can go in politics but rather than just a cvnt being a cvnt this was a deliberate ploy by Lynton Crosby in a campaign strategy called the "dead cat manoeuvre."

If you want to more here's a good article.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/20/lynton-crosby-and-dead-cat-won-election-conservatives-labour-intellectually-lazy

Exactly the sort of thing I'm pointing at with Cameron's latest outburst... The comment may have been off the cuff, but it fits within his general thinking / handling of Corbyn and trying to portray him as unfit to lead.

[Webbo]

Seriously? Politician tries to paint opponent in a bad light shocker?

[Guest MattP]

I don't think DC really needs to mention dress to remind people Corbyn is unfit to lead.

He has done a pretty unrecoverable job of that already with his opinions and friendships over the last 30 years.

[Webbo]

I don't think DC really needs to mention dress to remind people Corbyn is unfit to lead.

He has done a pretty unrecoverable job of that already with his opinions and friendships over the last 30 years.

That's not possible, you must have been brainwashed by the right wing media.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I don't think DC really needs to mention dress to remind people Corbyn is unfit to lead.

He has done a pretty unrecoverable job of that already with his opinions and friendships over the last 30 years.

His own party have helped with that too... but you should never rest of your laurels.

[theessexfox]

Blimey, it lasted about 10 seconds and went back and forth a couple of times. Anyone would think the entire house was sat there calling each other poo-poo heads and arguing over who's dad is bigger. Believe it or not, a lot actually gets raised and points put across from both sides, but I wouldn't expect that to be brought up as I expect the majority of people here moaning about it, never watch PMQs.

Yes it was a bit childish, but they are still real people and if you can put your hand up and say you've never had a little bit of 'back n forth' like that with anyone, even at work, then I feel for you. In fact, I know full well some of the people that are complaining about it, have had little digs etc at others on here anyway

Personally I watch PMQs most weeks and find that even when they are behaving as they should and not being very immature, the level of scrutiny really isn't great. The emphasis is on point-scoring and soundbites much more than any real in-depth policy analysis. The PM will have a set line on immigration, the economy, the NHS, with a figure of how great the government is doing on this issue and what the party line is, and no matter how the question is worded, he will repeatedly hammer out this set phrase. It doesn't seem to be real discussion, more like empty answers and a chance to get one over on the opposition. Yes the opposition and the Speaker could/should do more to improve the process, but the level of real scrutiny we as the public receive can be massively overstated just because there are weekly questions.

 

Incidentally, I attended a talk at Parliament about how to engage the youth more in politics and MPs from all 3 represented parties agreed that the conduct at PMQs is dreadful and really doesn't lend itself well to true scrutiny of the government.

[Rincewind]

I wouldn't bet on it... The Miliband "week" point was brought up in the heat of battle I believe but was something that stuck.

The "unfit to govern" tag is something Cameron has been putting on Corbyn and so to target his "dress sense" is another part of this tactic and will work with some people - and I dare say those that find those comments distasteful are unlikely to vote Tory anyway.

And the ones that vote Tory are going to pass the comments off as light banter. After all Corbyn is just another one of the riff raff to cross the road to avoid. What? Huh Huh.What can be more important than having a posh suit and a straight tie?

[Rincewind]

Sums it up fairly well.

 

 

This is what 3 children think to MP's reaction to Cameron's comments.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03kmhny?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=thetodayprogramme&ns_source=facebook

 

And for those who complain about where your taxes are going.

 

[Claridge]

And the ones that vote Tory are going to pass the comments off as light banter. After all Corbyn is just another one of the riff raff to cross the road to avoid. What? Huh Huh.What can be more important than having a posh suit and a straight tie?

The strange thing is Corbyn looked a lot smarter than usual.

Heard Bernie turned down Corbyn''s old stuff

[Rincewind]

The p[oint is that Cameron was asked a question about the NHS and he changed the subject to Corbyns dress code. If this was done by a Labour PM would it be accepted as a funny joke? I do not think so. There would be half a dozen threads condemning it and rightly so.

Corbyn was asked what he thought of Cameron's response and he said that he was jealous because he did not shop in the same street and had to make do with Oxford Street (?) I thought that was funny but it was not said during PMQ.

[Guest MattP]

Ken at least watch the footage before commenting.

The Mum thing was brought in by a Labour frontbencher heckling Cameron asking him what his Mum would say, to blame him for changing the subject from the NHS to dress code just proves you haven't watched it.

I have no idea why I'm replying or asking but I'll do it anyway, any evidence Cameron charged a 3.5k suit to the taxpayer?

[Webbo]

Ken at least watch the footage before commenting.

The Mum thing was brought in by a Labour frontbencher heckling Cameron asking him what his Mum would say, to blame him for changing the subject from the NHS to dress code just proves you haven't watched it.

I have no idea why I'm replying or asking but I'll do it anyway, any evidence Cameron charged a 3.5k suit to the taxpayer?

Matt, don't get involved.  Just let him get on with it.

[Guest MattP]

Correct, no Idea why I even started reading his posts again to be hhonest.

[Bryn]

Nick Clegg on the C**tservatives.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nick-clegg-accuses-conservatives-of-rigging-the-rules-in-attempt-to-create-one-party-state-a6896086.html

They couldn't give a single **** about anyone of their voters, they'd happily sell you up shit creek if it suited their interests.

[Rincewind]

I'll leave it to you all agreeing with each other that Corbyn was wrong for not thinking wearing an expensive suit is more important than the NHS.

[Rincewind]

Nick Clegg on the C**tservatives.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nick-clegg-accuses-conservatives-of-rigging-the-rules-in-attempt-to-create-one-party-state-a6896086.html

They couldn't give a single **** about anyone of their voters, they'd happily sell you up shit creek if it suited their interests.

It is a waste of time. They are so far right they have fallen over the edge and spiralling to the bottom of the pit. You will need a long rope to pull them back to the realms of reality.

[Bryn]

I don't think they have much of a political alignment other than whatever suits themselves. I've never felt like this country has ever had such a self-serving party.

[Guest MattP]

So now after telling us for five years not to believe a word Nick Clegg says as he got in the bed with the Tories we now have to take as gospel things he says as he's been kicked out of bed by the electorate?

Ok guys.

[Bryn]

Nick Clegg is a nice man with some good beliefs and I believe he genuinely thought he was going to make things better by going into coalition. Sadly he miscalculated, destroying his party's credibility in the process.

[Guest MattP]

If anyone is to blame to creating a "one party state" it's the ones who decided to relegate the opposition to a national joke by electing Jeremy Corbyn.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

If anyone is to blame to creating a "one party state" it's the ones who decided to relegate the opposition to a national joke by electing Jeremy Corbyn.

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