UPinCarolina Posted 4 June 2017 Posted 4 June 2017 25 minutes ago, Steve Earle said: Just wondering why there isn't an Adrien Silva thread? I know there was one in January, but since there hasn't been a report linking us in the summer window this is all conjecture really.
norwichfox Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 I've just been looking at Adrien Silva's injury history for 16/17 I'd be a concerned that he'd had a pretty good time with injuries before last season but losing 82 days must be a concern. Is this why the "asking price" has fallen so much? 16/17 Ruptured knee ligament Feb 20, 2017 Apr 11, 2017 50 days 6 16/17 Cervical spine injury Jan 9, 2017 Jan 13, 2017 4 days - 16/17 Muscle Injury Oct 3, 2016 Oct 31, 2016 28 days 4
SCP1906 Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 I've just been looking at Adrien Silva's injury history for 16/17 I'd be a concerned that he'd had a pretty good time with injuries before last season but losing 82 days must be a concern. Is this why the "asking price" has fallen so much? One of his injuries I think it was because a stupid/agressive tackle made by a defender when he was playing. I think this year his price could be lower not because injuries but because he did want to leave last season. He's not commited to Sporting as before. But Sporting can not sell when players want to leave, at least at first time they make pressure to leave. Thats why I believe the price could be 25-30M€..... About injuries/physical condition, I think at least some of the Euro 2016 Champions where not at their best this season.It happened with Adrien Silva, W. Carvalho, Cristiano Ronaldo (who only was at his best in the season ending),...This players make above 40 games per season in Club + national team games and hollidays were only a few days.
Detroit Blues Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but Adrien Silva's transfer value decreases from January because he's on a shorter contract. That's why Mahrez's value should be so high (because he's signed long term) vs if his deal was expiring at the end of next season.
SCP1906 Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 5 hours ago, Detroit Blues said: Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but Adrien Silva's transfer value decreases from January because he's on a shorter contract. That's why Mahrez's value should be so high (because he's signed long term) vs if his deal was expiring at the end of next season. You're wrong. Adrien Silva has contract until 2020 + 1 year extension option. So that's at least more 3 years. He made a new contract in february of 2016. He also received 2M or 2.5M€ because he had 20% [I think, can't remember exactly] of a future transfer fee in his possession [given to him in a previous contract] and Sporting paid that to have back those 20% and as a 'bonus' to keep him happy.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 22 minutes ago, SCP1906 said: You're wrong. Adrien Silva has contract until 2020 + 1 year extension option. So that's at least more 3 years. He made a new contract in february of 2016. He also received 2M or 2.5M€ because he had 20% [I think, can't remember exactly] of a future transfer fee in his possession [given to him in a previous contract] and Sporting paid that to have back those 20% and as a 'bonus' to keep him happy. That sounds a poor business decision from Silva's point of view. His agent would of told him his market value which at the time would of been say €30m. If it was about the money & he pushed for a move, he would of coupes €6m rather than €2.5?
Bossman Blessed It Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 We need to improve the quality of it to push on for the Europa League I would say. The biggest issue for us isn't our starting players, but the players who often step in as substitutes or fill the gap when they are injured: King - God I love Andy King, I really do. Right from when he announced himself with that screamer against Southampton, through the dredges in league 1 all the way to Champions League football. Andy King is truly a one-club man - which I have a bit of an issue with...because he's not a one-club man like Giggs, Neville or Scholes were one-club men. Nor is he a one-club man like Terry, Puyol or Tony Adams. One-club players are unique and bring an original, definitive excellence to the team. Andy King hasn't been a regular starter since early on in the second Pearson era. He adds virtually nothing. He does get stuck in when he finds himself within a legs distance to the ball - but he is yards off the pace. He looked like he'd been out the night before that Bournemouth game. He isn't someone who realistically competes with Drinky or Ndidi. Amartey - He's young, hasn't had the chance to prove himself at CM yet and may well be shifted to CB. Technically, he's nowhere near Ndidi. He can't be relied on to do a job should we suffer a long term injury. Gray - He's bloody exciting but he's no Riyad yet. Given that the aforementioned is probably leaving, it would be great to see him get a solid run in the team. That being said, if you fail to prepare then prepare to fail. Not spending the large sum of money that we should get for Mahrez would be a step in the wrong direction, as the overall quality of our squad is decreased when he's taken out of it. Lawrence - Same as above I think. Needs to be phased in slowly. James - In my opinion far more agile and athletic than King, but he's just come back from 18 months out. Players lose their pace and sharpness and I would think he might need another season on loan to get back to his best again. Mendy - Can barely remember... So - I would say we needed a quality CM to back up Drinky and Ndidi - it would only bolster an already talented squad.
SCP1906 Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 1 hour ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: That sounds a poor business decision from Silva's point of view. His agent would of told him his market value which at the time would of been say €30m. If it was about the money & he pushed for a move, he would of coupes €6m rather than €2.5? I wasn't sure how much %. It was 30% that sporting bought back when he signed a new contract last year: http://www.dn.pt/desporto/sporting/interior/sporting-recomprou-30-por-cento-do-passe-de-adrien-e-175-do-de-rui-patricio-5073634.html Portuguese newspaper, but you can use translator. Rui Patrício is Sporting and Portugal goalkepper. Best goalkeeper in Euro 2016. Sporting now onws 82.5% of economic rights from a Silva transfer. Before this president [he was first elected 4 years ago] the Club almost went bankrupt and sold a lot % of transfer rigths of his best players. This president bought back a lot of those %. It was negotiated with Silva agent/gestifute [Jorge Mendes]. But Silva also received a portion. It was talked [in Sporting forum and between fans] that Silva received 2-2.5M € but I can't confirm. His value can be higher and maybe he could profit more if he waited.. But also he could have an injury, some poor games, etc and his value could go down. In Portugal 2.5M €€ is a lot of money. With half a million euros you can buy a really really good and big enough house, and with 2M in bank a young lad can live until the end of his days without doing much, just needing a bit of head to manage profits. And Adrien already had a house and a couple millions from previous contracts+new contract, so when he signed this new contract + 2/2.5M he assured a good retirement and a good life to his kid's. I think that's why Sporting got those 30% back without paying as much as 8-9M € to Silva and agent.
SCP1906 Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 59 minutes ago, Bossman Blessed It said: We need to improve the quality of it to push on for the Europa League I would say. The biggest issue for us isn't our starting players, but the players who often step in as substitutes or fill the gap when they are injured: I really think Leicester needs to improve the starting mildfield. Don't know which players - I only know portuguese teams, and from Portugal only Sporting, Benfica and Porto have players to Premier league level. From Premier league I only watched some Leicester games and a few from 'top' clubs (sometimes I couldn't find stream to watch Leicester City) But Leicester definitively needs a stronger midfield if it wants to fight for top 10 finish in Premier League again. Ndidi is good and can be even better, but Leicester needs another good mildfielder. Drinky is good too but Leicester could be better if he have competition from another good mildfielder that can be a starter.
MC Prussian Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 2 minutes ago, SCP1906 said: I really think Leicester needs to improve the starting mildfield. Don't know which players - I only know portuguese teams, and from Portugal only Sporting, Benfica and Porto have players to Premier league level. From Premier league I only watched some Leicester games and a few from 'top' clubs (sometimes I couldn't find stream to watch Leicester City) But Leicester definitively needs a stronger midfield if it wants to fight for top 10 finish in Premier League again. Ndidi is good and can be even better, but Leicester needs another good mildfielder. Drinky is good too but Leicester could be better if he have competition from another good midfielder that can be a starter. The answer is Pizzi.
SCP1906 Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 35 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: The answer is Pizzi. Pizzi did a really good season. Yet, I don't know how would he adapt to Premier league. He's a good player, I don't have doubts but he would be much more expensive than Silva. Does Pizzi value is 10-15M€ higher than Silva? Pizzi/Benfica makes part of what we call 'Mendes Carousel' [benfica, Atlético Madrid, Valencia, Monaco, Wolverhampton,..].. to a player leave the 'Carousel' and go to a Club that pay real money, the prices is really really absurd and above market. See Renato Sanches transfer to Bayern M - 35M ; Guedes to PSG - 30 M€; André Gomes to Barcelona... All of them way way above market. And curious that all of them was considered the worst signs of their Clubs and (probabily) of the Club's country. Why this stupid prices? / Because Mendes 'changes' players between these clubs a lot - youngsters for 15M€ (even if the lads didn't played in the Club first team), older or decent payers for 20,25,30M €. So he inflates the market. And when a Club that doens't make part of his Carousel wants a player from the Carousel, it has to pay a lot. Really, a lot. Mendes is Adrien Silva agent, but Sporting doens't make part of the Carousel, usually don't do business with him. Sporting president is against the high margins [10%, sometimes 20% or more] Mendes wants to receive in a transfer he 'makes'/negotiate. So that cvnt don't like Sporting. A strong Sporting is a weaker benfica, so lower value of his players [and all decent players and youngsters of benfica are 'mendes players'],... So he doesn't care if Silva is sold for less. He dont win much in this transfer, but a weaker Sporting is a future higher value in all benfica players.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 6 June 2017 Posted 6 June 2017 51 minutes ago, SCP1906 said: Pizzi did a really good season. Yet, I don't know how would he adapt to Premier league. He's a good player, I don't have doubts but he would be much more expensive than Silva. Does Pizzi value is 10-15M€ higher than Silva? Pizzi/Benfica makes part of what we call 'Mendes Carousel' [benfica, Atlético Madrid, Valencia, Monaco, Wolverhampton,..].. to a player leave the 'Carousel' and go to a Club that pay real money, the prices is really really absurd and above market. See Renato Sanches transfer to Bayern M - 35M ; Guedes to PSG - 30 M€; André Gomes to Barcelona... All of them way way above market. And curious that all of them was considered the worst signs of their Clubs and (probabily) of the Club's country. Why this stupid prices? / Because Mendes 'changes' players between these clubs a lot - youngsters for 15M€ (even if the lads didn't played in the Club first team), older or decent payers for 20,25,30M €. So he inflates the market. And when a Club that doens't make part of his Carousel wants a player from the Carousel, it has to pay a lot. Really, a lot. Mendes is Adrien Silva agent, but Sporting doens't make part of the Carousel, usually don't do business with him. Sporting president is against the high margins [10%, sometimes 20% or more] Mendes wants to receive in a transfer he 'makes'/negotiate. So that cvnt don't like Sporting. A strong Sporting is a weaker benfica, so lower value of his players [and all decent players and youngsters of benfica are 'mendes players'],... So he doesn't care if Silva is sold for less. He dont win much in this transfer, but a weaker Sporting is a future higher value in all benfica players. It's crazy how political foreign football is sometimes!
SCP1906 Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 12 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: It's crazy how political foreign football is sometimes! It's not political. It's all about money, money laundering, inflation of transfers to get higher comission's, corruption to keep some teams [those more profitable] winning and some players have higher transfer value,... etc. Mendes and his parterns are the biggest responsible to football evolution to a bloated 'industry' with transfer markets of thousands of Millions and hundred million for one player. Much of that inflated prices comes from there schemes to keep inflation of transfers every year. Premier League/english football was an outsider of all these schemes. In Premier legue is not allowed TPO, and foreign players needs to be national teams players otherwise a permit is needed. Also in Premier League the Clubs can't loan a lot of players to other teams [one of Mendes schemes to make his teams winning more often]. So for all these last years Premier League was an outsider of those schemes, excluding the payments of (big) transfers. But that ended last year: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/21/wolves-takeover-sale-chinese-group-fosun-international Now they don't need TPO, to invest some € in players and profit a lot [and 'maybe' do money laundering]. Now they buy Clubs and make tranfers between them, all complying Premier League/english laws.. So also these 'political' is also getting to Premier League... A proof? News from yesterday/today: Wolverhampton wants to sign Bébé: http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/wolves/transfer-talk/news/wolves-to-sign-former-man-united-winger_299803.html a Mendes player. What a surprise... almost as surprising as Nuno Espirito Santo being Wolverhampton new manager... or not. And I think in the next few years Mendes partners will buy another english Club from League One or Championship. English football is the richest, so that's where they headed.
Guest the fox Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 I know people might not like it but, the team should switch to a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1, its the way forward in the English football and the team already has the hardest components (the wingbacks in Marc and Ben) Vardy Siggy/gray Boudebouz Ben. Marc Silva N'didi
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 6 hours ago, the fox said: I know people might not like it but, the team should switch to a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1, its the way forward in the English football and the team already has the hardest components (the wingbacks in Marc and Ben) Vardy Siggy/gray Boudebouz Ben. Marc Silva N'didi This but with Fuchs at left wing back his delivery & throw ins are class.
1972 Fox Posted 7 June 2017 Posted 7 June 2017 7 hours ago, the fox said: I know people might not like it but, the team should switch to a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1, its the way forward in the English football and the team already has the hardest components (the wingbacks in Marc and Ben) Vardy Siggy/gray Boudebouz Ben. Marc Silva N'didi You've left Slimani out? I would have expected you to champion his cause. And your team includes the possibility of Siggy, Silva and Boudebouz being signed. Not much chance of any one of those let alone all three.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 8 June 2017 Posted 8 June 2017 21 hours ago, Blue Fox 72 said: You've left Slimani out? I would have expected you to champion his cause. And your team includes the possibility of Siggy, Silva and Boudebouz being signed. Not much chance of any one of those let alone all three. Silva & Boudebouz are more than realistic, don't get why you think there isn't much chance getting them? Especially since Silva has expressed his desire to join us in the past... Siggy I think we aren't totally out of the equation. Don't get me wrong it's gonna take a lot of persuading & a lot of money but it's a good possibility still.
1972 Fox Posted 8 June 2017 Posted 8 June 2017 34 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: Silva & Boudebouz are more than realistic, don't get why you think there isn't much chance getting them? Especially since Silva has expressed his desire to join us in the past... Siggy I think we aren't totally out of the equation. Don't get me wrong it's gonna take a lot of persuading & a lot of money but it's a good possibility still. We'll see. Silva & Boudebouz will not be coming here IMO. Silva would likely have come here early last season as we could offer CL football. I doubt if we're even in for either of them now. Siggy yes there is a possibility but still unlikely we'll land him IMO.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 8 June 2017 Posted 8 June 2017 6 hours ago, Blue Fox 72 said: We'll see. Silva & Boudebouz will not be coming here IMO. Silva would likely have come here early last season as we could offer CL football. I doubt if we're even in for either of them now. Siggy yes there is a possibility but still unlikely we'll land him IMO. Maybe we're not but your trying to say we have hardly any chance of signing them. That's just you guessing... so how do you know the players themselves might not be interested? Also Silva stated he wanted to join us so he could play in the premier league not in the CL.
1972 Fox Posted 10 June 2017 Posted 10 June 2017 On 2017-6-9 at 00:03, Bluearmyfox28 said: Maybe we're not but your trying to say we have hardly any chance of signing them. That's just you guessing... so how do you know the players themselves might not be interested? Also Silva stated he wanted to join us so he could play in the premier league not in the CL. Yes I'm guessing like you as the majority of posts on here are purely speculative. I admire your positivity but your wishlist is unlikely to happen IMO. I would be surprised if we got one of the three let alone all of them. I'm sure Shakey and his staff will be working hard to bring in a number of players to improve the squad. All will be revealed in time no doubt.
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