Popular Post Alf Bentley Posted 29 November 2017 Popular Post Posted 29 November 2017 11 hours ago, Webbo said: Presumably Corbyn won't be in negotiation with a foreign power over his nationalisation plans? Info about the potential economic impact of Corbyn's nationalisation plans might be of benefit to the economic calculations of foreign govts/firms just like info about the potential economic impact of Brexit. They'll be able to make their own calculations about either, though. Take defence, if you prefer. Imagine PM Corbyn was considering unilateral nuclear disarmament and reports on likely foreign policy impact were produced. If you're being consistent, presumably you'd want those reports to be withheld from Tories or other multilateralists on the Defence Select Committee in case the traitors leaked the contents? All power to the executive and keep democratic scrutiny to a minimum, eh? Or does that only apply under a Tory Govt? As you didn't respond to my other points, I assume that you do believe that the Brexit impact reports should also be kept from Tories who supported Remain - such as May, Hammond and Damian Green (who commented the other day that if there were another referendum, he'd vote Remain again)? Anyway, busy week ahead so I'll move on, safe in the knowledge that to you British parliamentary democracy is of secondary importance to the need for an unchallenged Hard Right, nationalistic, deregulating, low-tax Thatcherite Tory Govt. 8 1
Rogstanley Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Webbo must be feeling like a frog in a secondary school science lab - ruthlessly dissected.
Alf Bentley Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 15 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Webbo must be feeling like a frog in a secondary school science lab - ruthlessly dissected. I doubt it, Rog. I'm sure he has enough sense of proportion to see other things as more important than what a few blokes on the internet say. That's even assuming he'd admit he got anything wrong, which he won't - and I probably wouldn't either! All just rough and tumble between friends, anyway, not a cause for any hostility or gloating. 2
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Not going to comment too much until we know anything for sure but if this is true what on earth are we doing? We are even talking about funding pensions for decades, they won't put tariffs on goods, we've totally fell for it that they would, we are going to end up in a huge transition period, shame on the Tory Brexiteers as well, all falling behind this because they are so scared of Labour coming to office which won't happen. I'm right on board with Stokes now, no deal on WTO terms (sorry CRASH OUT!! as the BBC will tell you) - this is a complete hold up, we don't owe them a penny and we should be walking away right now, if we did I'd imagine they would want a deal. If not so be it.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 24 minutes ago, MattP said: Not going to comment too much until we know anything for sure but if this is true what on earth are we doing? We are even talking about funding pensions for decades, they won't put tariffs on goods, we've totally fell for it that they would, we are going to end up in a huge transition period, shame on the Tory Brexiteers as well, all falling behind this because they are so scared of Labour coming to office which won't happen. I'm right on board with Stokes now, no deal on WTO terms (sorry CRASH OUT!! as the BBC will tell you) - this is a complete hold up, we don't owe them a penny and we should be walking away right now, if we did I'd imagine they would want a deal. If not so be it. You brexiteers all argue against labour borrowing £250b yet in just the last few days a combination of reduced growth and the Brexit bill - both caused by last year's vote - have lost us £150b. And we haven't even left yet!
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 (edited) I'm not a fan of her but Emily Thornberry is brilliant at PMQS - seriously good and I wouldn't want to face her, took Green apart at times in a way Corbyn could never dream of. Weirdly I think she's got some sex appeal as well. Another one for the list @Alf Bentley Edited 29 November 2017 by MattP
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Just now, MattP said: I'm not a fan of her but Emily Thornberry is brilliant at PMQS - seriously good and I wouldn't want to face her, took Green apart at times in a way Corbyn could never dream of. Weirdly I think she's got some sex appeal as well. Another one for the list @Alf Bentley She is great.
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Just now, toddybad said: You brexiteers all argue against labour borrowing £250b yet in just the last few days a combination of reduced growth and the Brexit bill - both caused by last year's vote - have lost us £150b. And we haven't even left yet! I wouldn't pay them a penny. Where are you getting 150 billion from? How much of your growth figure goes directly to the treasury?
Carl the Llama Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 32 minutes ago, MattP said: Not going to comment too much until we know anything for sure but if this is true what on earth are we doing? We are even talking about funding pensions for decades, they won't put tariffs on goods, we've totally fell for it that they would, we are going to end up in a huge transition period, shame on the Tory Brexiteers as well, all falling behind this because they are so scared of Labour coming to office which won't happen. I'm right on board with Stokes now, no deal on WTO terms (sorry CRASH OUT!! as the BBC will tell you) - this is a complete hold up, we don't owe them a penny and we should be walking away right now, if we did I'd imagine they would want a deal. If not so be it. What's wrong with us funding pensions for the EU civil servants whose work we've benefited from up to this point? I can't imagine we're funding the pension pot for newcomers after we leave though I'll hold my hands up if I'm wrong about that and admit that's pretty poor negotiating.
Alf Bentley Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 8 minutes ago, MattP said: I'm not a fan of her but Emily Thornberry is brilliant at PMQS - seriously good and I wouldn't want to face her, took Green apart at times in a way Corbyn could never dream of. Weirdly I think she's got some sex appeal as well. Another one for the list @Alf Bentley I'm afraid she doesn't set my heart or loins a-flutter (probably for the best, as an impending divorcee with heart arrhythmia issues!). I'll stick with Baroness Warsi. She has improved massively as a media performer in the last couple of years, though. She used to come across as insufferably smug and preachy, but is now one of Labour's best performers now (in a thin field, admittedly). She has an interesting personal history, I read. Her father was a senior lawyer for the UN or something, but walked out when she was young and she ended up being brought up by a single mother on a council estate, getting free school meals. She then qualified in law and married a barrister from an aristocratic background who's now quite senior, I think. Remembering the "white van" byelection controversy a few years ago, apparently her brother is a builder who drives a white van.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 20 minutes ago, MattP said: I wouldn't pay them a penny. Where are you getting 150 billion from? How much of your growth figure goes directly to the treasury? No money goes directly to the Treasury but that's a point not worth me pursuing. Debt is always considered in terms of GDP. The figure comes from just over £90b of lost growth through the recent downgrade of the forward view plus astound £60b which seems a fair estimate of the Brexit bill given the tories are trying to stick the figure at £40b but suggestions elsewhere are as high as £80+.
Carl the Llama Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 I was always more of a Debbie Thornberry kind of guy personally. 1
Buce Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: I doubt it, Rog. I'm sure he has enough sense of proportion to see other things as more important than what a few blokes on the internet say. That's even assuming he'd admit he got anything wrong, which he won't - and I probably wouldn't either! All just rough and tumble between friends, anyway, not a cause for any hostility or gloating. This. I like Webbo. Hate his politics and his stubborn refusal to reconsider his views, but I don't let that define him. 3
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 13 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: I'm afraid she doesn't set my heart or loins a-flutter (probably for the best, as an impending divorcee with heart arrhythmia issues!). I'll stick with Baroness Warsi. She has improved massively as a media performer in the last couple of years, though. She used to come across as insufferably smug and preachy, but is now one of Labour's best performers now (in a thin field, admittedly). She has an interesting personal history, I read. Her father was a senior lawyer for the UN or something, but walked out when she was young and she ended up being brought up by a single mother on a council estate, getting free school meals. She then qualified in law and married a barrister from an aristocratic background who's now quite senior, I think. Remembering the "white van" byelection controversy a few years ago, apparently her brother is a builder who drives a white van. She's terrific, she said something on Radio 4 a few weeks ago about "having fag outside weatherspoons" and the way age said it was a huge turn on. Not on the level of Esther McVey or Liz Kendall yet but she's getting there. I remember her having a barney with Peter Hitchens about her upbringing, I might have a watch again.
Buce Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 38 minutes ago, MattP said: I'm not a fan of her but Emily Thornberry is brilliant at PMQS - seriously good and I wouldn't want to face her, took Green apart at times in a way Corbyn could never dream of. Weirdly I think she's got some sex appeal as well. Another one for the list @Alf Bentley Jesus. See a doctor.
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Buce said: Jesus. See a doctor. She's kinky. She's clearly naughty as well and she knows it, women like that are wonderful. That said I found Mrs Thatcher sexy, I think Andrea Leadsom is and don't get me started on Priti Patel.
Buce Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: She's kinky. She's clearly naughty as well and she knows it, women like that are wonderful. That said I found Mrs Thatcher sexy, I think Andrea Leadsom is and don't get me started on Priti Patel. Forget the doctor. It's clearly far too late. 1
Rogstanley Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: I doubt it, Rog. I'm sure he has enough sense of proportion to see other things as more important than what a few blokes on the internet say. That's even assuming he'd admit he got anything wrong, which he won't - and I probably wouldn't either! All just rough and tumble between friends, anyway, not a cause for any hostility or gloating. Very graceful in victory. You're a better man than me.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 29 minutes ago, MattP said: She's kinky. She's clearly naughty as well and she knows it, women like that are wonderful. That said I found Mrs Thatcher sexy, I think Andrea Leadsom is and don't get me started on Priti Patel. Priti Patel is decent. Andrea Leadsom?
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 (edited) European Parliament has decided we've still not progressed enough for trade talks. Citing the need for harmonisation of standards across Ireland and N. Ireland and the ECJ to have final say over disputes involving EU nationals. Must say this worries me. These lines cut across what Brexit actually is in a way that the divorce costs didn't. It's going to be very hard for the government to accept these views. Edited 29 November 2017 by Guest
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 2 hours ago, MattP said: I'm not a fan of her but Emily Thornberry is brilliant at PMQS - seriously good and I wouldn't want to face her, took Green apart at times in a way Corbyn could never dream of. Weirdly I think she's got some sex appeal as well. Another one for the list @Alf Bentley I’m glad its not just me. I’d love a go at her dispatch box. Seriously speaking though she absolutely trounced Green.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: European Parliament has decided we've still not progressed enough for trade talks. Citing the need for harmonisation of standards across Ireland and N. Ireland and the ECJ to have final say over disputes involving EU nationals. Must say this worries me. These lines cut across what Brexit actually is in a way that the divorce costs didn't. It's going to be very hard for the government to accept these views. I think we’re at a point now where it’s obvious a deal is not going to happen. For all the talk, at this stage its in neither parties interest to concede on anything. We should walk away paying nothing. Have a task force of lawyers set in place to deal with the legalities of that and just crack on.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 4 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: I think we’re at a point now where it’s obvious a deal is not going to happen. For all the talk, at this stage its in neither parties interest to concede on anything. We should walk away paying nothing. Have a task force of lawyers set in place to deal with the legalities of that and just crack on. If we get to the point of walking away them imo the impact assessments need to be made available to the public. At that point there's no argument about the other side seeing it. We need to see what we've been gotten into.
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