Steven Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 1 hour ago, MattP said: UK Manufacturing at a four year high, confounding experts' opinion. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-manufacturing-latest-update-november-best-month-2013-city-london-purchasing-managers-index-a8086306.html Quote Eurozone manufacturing grows at fastest rate in 17 years Eurozone production lines were firing on all cylinders in November according to the IHS Markit manufacturing PMI survey. The headline index rose to 60.1 from 58.5 in October, where anything above 50 signals growth. It was the second highest on record for the index - which measures output, orders and jobs - after April 2000, at the height of the dot-com boom. Chris Williamson, chief business economist at IHS Markit, said all the signs were there for a strong performance from the sector in 2018: Companies are clearly expanding rapidly. Employment growth has hit an all-time high and business investment on machinery is trending sharply upwards, suggesting manufacturers are looking forward to the upturn persisting well into 2018. Quote German manufacturing leads eurozone higher Germany earned its reputation as a manufacturing powerhouse in November, leading the rest of the eurozone higher. Here is how the sector performed in individual countries (anything above 50 signals expansion): Germany: 62.5 Netherlands: 62.4 Austria: 61.9 Italy: 58.3 Ireland: 58.1 France: 57.7 Spain: 56.1 Greece: 52.2
Guest Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 16 minutes ago, Steven said: So what I'm taking from this is that most of europe (including us) is seeing manufacturing growth. To grow even further we don't need to leave the EU.
Steven Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 57 minutes ago, toddybad said: So what I'm taking from this is that most of europe (including us) is seeing manufacturing growth. To grow even further we don't need to leave the EU. Almost. I am saying lets us not get carried away as the growth rate is still below that of the Eurozone as a whole.
Jon the Hat Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 Why are the media still talking about porn on a computer. Does this impact anyone's ability to do their job properly? If anything this makes the BBC looks daft, and the ex policemen look bitter. Nobbers. 1
Finnegan Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Why are the media still talking about porn on a computer. Does this impact anyone's ability to do their job properly? If anything this makes the BBC looks daft, and the ex policemen look bitter. Nobbers. Because it's a work computer and the man apparently spent hours at a time looking at the stuff whilst in a very high position of public office? If this was his home computer I wouldn't give a shit, his business really. But it's pretty obvious why it's a news story and if it was a Labour MP you'd give far more ****s. Edited 1 December 2017 by Finnegan
Strokes Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-boe-sharp/bank-of-englands-sharp-warns-against-illusion-about-public-debt-idUKKBN1DU2R6 Bank of England warns about taking national debt lightly.
Buce Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Why are the media still talking about porn on a computer. Does this impact anyone's ability to do their job properly? If anything this makes the BBC looks daft, and the ex policemen look bitter. Nobbers. Because he's doing it at work?
Strokes Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: Because it's a work computer and the man apparently spent hours at a time looking at the stuff whilst in a very high position of public office? If this was his home computer I wouldn't give a shit, his business really. But it's pretty obvious why it's a news story and if it was a Labour MP you'd give far more ****s. I agree it’s not appropriate and a very weird thing to be doing whilst at work. It’s very strange how the information is coming about though and I will reserve judgement until the inquiry have given its verdict.
Jon the Hat Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Because it's a work computer and the man apparently spent hours at a time looking at the stuff whilst in a very high position of public office? If this was his home computer I wouldn't give a shit, his business really. But it's pretty obvious why it's a news story and if it was a Labour MP you'd give far more ****s. He wasn't in Government at the time, and to be honest being an MP is rather different from most job's isn't it? You could argue at the time he might have been subject to some disciplinary actions, but 9 year later, with no evidence at all to hand now apart from the off notebook? Ridiculous story.
Fox Ulike Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 7 minutes ago, Strokes said: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-boe-sharp/bank-of-englands-sharp-warns-against-illusion-about-public-debt-idUKKBN1DU2R6 Bank of England warns about taking national debt lightly. Let's tighten up on tax avoidance then.
Strokes Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 6 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: Let's tighten up on tax avoidance then. Let’s
Fox Ulike Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: He wasn't in Government at the time, and to be honest being an MP is rather different from most job's isn't it? You could argue at the time he might have been subject to some disciplinary actions, but 9 year later, with no evidence at all to hand now apart from the off notebook? Ridiculous story. The story is the Parliamentary inquiry into Green and 'inappropriate advances' which has now been expanded to include allegations of him having a World Class stash of porn on his work PC. That's the story. The BBC aren't 'daft'. They haven't just made it up. If that was where I work, we wouldn't be calling it a ridiculous story. And I expect better standards of behaviour from an MP than I do from half of the monkeys that I work with. Do you think that MPs should be bound by a lower code of professional ethics than everybody else?
Fox Ulike Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 Just now, Strokes said: Let’s I knew that was coming but it's still funny. (Sort of). I set 'em up, you knock 'em home. I'm like Mahrez to your Vardy.
leicsmac Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 19 hours ago, foxinexile said: I contacted the Department for Exiting the EU (sad I know!) to ask why we were withdrawing from Euratom and what plans there were for the day we officially left the EU. Below are two responses I received from the Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy. It might not be quite what I wanted to hear, however I can't fault what I feel were quite transparent and open responses. Fair play to this particular government department, they answered my questions pretty directly without much of the usual politico-speak as such: 'Thank you for your email dated 11th October to DExEU, regarding the UK withdrawal from Euratom as part of Brexit. Your email has been forwarded to this Department for reply. You ask why the Government is withdrawing the UK from Euratom, as part of the Brexit process. Although Euratom is a separate legal entity, it shares a common institutional framework with the EU, making the EU and Euratom uniquely legally joined. So when we formally notified our intention to leave the EU, we also commenced the process for leaving Euratom. Our aim is clear: we want to maintain continuity of our mutually successful civil nuclear cooperation with Euratom and international partners. So the UK will remain a strong and active member of the International Atomic Energy Agency, as it has been since 1957, and we will continue to meet international standards for nuclear safeguards and nuclear non-proliferation. Our withdrawal will bring benefits, including the negotiation of new Nuclear Cooperation Agreements (NCAs) with key international partners such as the US, Canada, Japan and Australia. NCAs are legally-binding, bilateral agreements negotiated between two states, setting out their intention to increase cooperation and trade related to the civil nuclear sector. The UK will also put in place a domestic regime, which will be as robust and comprehensive as the current Euratom arrangements, exceeding the safeguards standards that the international community would expect from the UK, as a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency. Our existing nuclear safety and security regulator, the Office for Nuclear Regulation, will take on the role and responsibilities required to meet our international safeguards and nuclear nonproliferation obligations, alongside its existing responsibilities for regulating nuclear safety and security, meaning that a single regulator will be responsible for all our nuclear regulation. Safeguards will continue to be externally verified by International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors, as now.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you for your follow-up email dated 1 November 2017, regarding the UK’s withdrawal from Euratom. The Government has a clear plan for putting in place necessary Nuclear Cooperation Agreements (NCAs) to ensure uninterrupted cooperation and trade in the civil nuclear sector. The UK has already started engaging with key international partners including the US, Canada, Japan and Australia to put in place essential NCA’s from the day of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU. Regarding nuclear safeguards arrangements, the UK will continue to meet international standards for nuclear safeguards and nuclear non-proliferation. We will ensure that the Office for Nuclear Regulation (ONR) will be in a position to take on the role and responsibilities required to meet our international safeguards, and nuclear non-proliferation, obligations. The Government is in close discussion with the ONR and will remain closely engaged with industry and our international partners including Euratom, as this work is taken forward. The UK Government has been clear that we want to maintain a close and effective relationship with the Euratom Community and we will be seeking a close future association as part of the exit negotiations. In terms of what might be included in such an agreement, and what form it may take, at this stage, will be determined as part of negotiations between the UK and the European Commission on our future relationship. These discussions have not yet started. I hope this provides you with reassurance about UK’s plans for putting in place necessary arrangements following UK’s withdrawal from Euratom. Thanks for putting this up. An interesting response, though it waffles a lot about the safety aspect rather than going on about how we're actually going to be collaborating and trading with other countries in terms of nuclear knowledge and applications. Wonder what the story is with the ESA, ITER, Galileo and the like? 1
Fox Ulike Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 15 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Thanks for putting this up. An interesting response, though it waffles a lot about the safety aspect rather than going on about how we're actually going to be collaborating and trading with other countries in terms of nuclear knowledge and applications. Wonder what the story is with the ESA, ITER, Galileo and the like? I would imagine that these sort of collaborations don't really interest the Daily Mail and the Brexiteers. So once we leave them we'll probably just re-join in all but name. Interesting though that the situation with Euratom seems to be a microcosm of Brexit as a whole. We're leaving Euratom, but then will aim to replicate the current arrangement with the EU as closely as possible. We'll then replicate the EU's NCAs with key international partners such as the US, Canada, Japan and Australia. So we'll pretty much spend a horrible amount of money, time and effort to change everything to.end up exactly where we are now. You could achieve the same thing with a bottle of tippex and replace the word 'EU' with 'UK' wherever it crops up. Brexit surely will go down in history as the most pointless political movement of all time. If it wasn't for the ridiculous cost of the whole thing I don't think anybody would be that bothered about it either way. 2
Jon the Hat Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 44 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: The story is the Parliamentary inquiry into Green and 'inappropriate advances' which has now been expanded to include allegations of him having a World Class stash of porn on his work PC. That's the story. The BBC aren't 'daft'. They haven't just made it up. If that was where I work, we wouldn't be calling it a ridiculous story. And I expect better standards of behaviour from an MP than I do from half of the monkeys that I work with. Do you think that MPs should be bound by a lower code of professional ethics than everybody else? Actually, though i hate to quote a Guardian article, the real issue is here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/01/damian-green-porn-work-police-mp
Fox Ulike Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Actually, though i hate to quote a Guardian article, the real issue is here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/01/damian-green-porn-work-police-mp I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's a police matter. It's a Parliamentary Code of Conduct thing. Do you think that MPs should be bound by a lower code of professional ethics than everybody else?
Guest MattP Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: Because it's a work computer and the man apparently spent hours at a time looking at the stuff whilst in a very high position of public office? If this was his home computer I wouldn't give a shit, his business really. But it's pretty obvious why it's a news story and if it was a Labour MP you'd give far more ****s. He needs disciplining but the whole thing appears to be a right stitch up. There are few dodgy things that need to be investigated, why a police investigation was launched on the basis of an opposition MP accusation, why it wasn't keep confidential as it wasn't taken on as a criminal investigation. The biggest question though is why did the police leak the word "extreme" to the press when it now appears the porn was nothing of the sort? How did that happen? Edited 1 December 2017 by MattP
Jon the Hat Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said: I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's a police matter. It's a Parliamentary Code of Conduct thing. Do you think that MPs should be bound by a lower code of professional ethics than everybody else? Not at all. Find me a company who would sack someone over a minor issue from 9 years ago. An unproven one for that matter. Or who would discuss it in public? Edited 1 December 2017 by Jon the Hat
Jon the Hat Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: He needs disciplining but the whole thing appears to be a right stitch up. There are few dodgy things that need to be investigated, why a police investigation was launched on the basis of an opposition MP accusation, why it wasn't keep confidential as it wasn't taken on as a criminal investigation. The biggest question though is why did the police leak the word "extreme" to the press when it now appears the porn was nothing of the sort? How did that happen? It's almost like the Police don't like him for some reason, and will try all kinds of underhand tactics to get rid of him. 1
leicsmac Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: It's almost like the Police don't like him for some reason, and will try all kinds of underhand tactics to get rid of him. Not to go too tinfoil hat here but this reads like a stitch-up to me too - kind of thing that happens to a corrupt MP at the end of an episode of Spooks.
Fox Ulike Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Not at all. Find me a company who would sack someone over a minor issue from 9 years ago. An unproven one for that matter. Or who would discuss it in public? Hmmm yes fair point.
Jon the Hat Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 I would like someone to arrest this ex copper who for some reason has a copy of the hard drive of a sitting MP taken in the course of an investigation. No different from stealing Drugs from an evidence locker in my view. Possibly worse.
Guest Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: I would like someone to arrest this ex copper who for some reason has a copy of the hard drive of a sitting MP taken in the course of an investigation. No different from stealing Drugs from an evidence locker in my view. Possibly worse. Yes. If there was some terrible thing that green had done that the policeman believed was going to be concealed then I could live with his actions if he had publicised things at the time, with proof. The way this had come out does indeed look like a stitch up. Copying basically irrelevant information and keeping it for a rainy day doesn't seem right at all and he should himself be investigated. As to what happens to green....well, I actually don't mind the guy too much and the outcome needs to be fair. At this point perhaps parliament needs to find a way to get hold of the supposed evidence - force green's hand a bit to agree they can look at the supposed evidence. If he had viewed it? I think this is the difficult one. On one hand anybody else would be sacked for looking at porn on a work computer. Though tbh I've never been 100% clear on why you get sacked for looking at one legal site over another. 9 years later? Does that matter? I don't know. Tbh I don't think I mind what the outcome is but it is indicative of the mountains being made out of molehills over lots of things recently. Interestingly there's talk of David Davis threatening to resign if green is sacked unfairly. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing either. Edited 1 December 2017 by Guest
Strokes Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 1 hour ago, Fox Ulike said: I knew that was coming but it's still funny. (Sort of). I set 'em up, you knock 'em home. I'm like Mahrez to your Vardy. I thought I was the good looking one?
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