ajthefox Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Three different articles in the Guardian today saying £50 Billion, Eu 60 Billion and £60 Billion. Not sure why we seem to be willing to pay that much given what many people have said previously but if anything is clear, it's that whatever is happening remains rather unclear to anyone in the press.
Webbo Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 1 minute ago, ajthefox said: Three different articles in the Guardian today saying £50 Billion, Eu 60 Billion and £60 Billion. Not sure why we seem to be willing to pay that much given what many people have said previously but if anything is clear, it's that whatever is happening remains rather unclear to anyone in the press. As long as it's conditional on a deal agreeable to us I don't mind. If we end up paying and get nothing I'll be furious.
Guest MattP Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 7 minutes ago, Webbo said: Possibly, he's hiding his tracks better this time if it is. Perhaps I'm looking back with rose tinted specs but I'm sure Moose was a lot funnier. It's the same shit we got from Frank to be now. 6 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Considering rates on gilts are lower than inflation I think we're a long way off having to worry about that. Debt to GDP - again you're coming at it from an angle that I don't really think is relevant. Given the position we're in regards worst productivity in the developed world, worst infrastructure in the developed world and so on, I'm convinced that if we invested intelligently we would see very strong returns on that investment, so the debt to GDP ratio would go down, not up. Do you really think gilts (currently1.3%) would stay the same in the event of Labour being elected? You can't seriously assume this would be the case when every single financial body in the World that has bothered to look at it says it wouldn't be?
Rogstanley Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 29 minutes ago, Webbo said: Mate, you didn't even know Corbyn was a socialist. I think we can take your "facts" with a pinch of salt. Right, well if the answer is no, you won't ever concede you lost an argument, there's not a lot of point carrying on is there. Just let it be recorded. Speaking of productivity, my own is too low atm, so i think I'll give this thread a miss for a while. Take it easy all.
Webbo Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Just now, Rogstanley said: Right, well if the answer is no, you won't ever concede you lost an argument, there's not a lot of point carrying on is there. Just let it be recorded. Speaking of productivity, my own is too low atm, so i think I'll give this thread a miss for a while. Take it easy all. I'll have fries and a chocolate milk shake with that please. 1 1
Buce Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 24 minutes ago, Webbo said: Possibly, he's hiding his tracks better this time if it is. Perhaps I'm looking back with rose tinted specs but I'm sure Moose was a lot funnier. That's because he was batting for your side in his previous incarnation. 1
Webbo Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Just now, Buce said: That's because he was batting for your side in his previous incarnation. Yes, that's possible.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: I'm not really fussed about the comparison tbh I'm bored. Though over 500,000 uk jobs is horrific. You voted for that? Potentially half a million families being plunged into poverty so we can gain control of something or other. Mad. 1 hour ago, Webbo said: Rogstanley said he'd be happy for unemployment to double as long as he got a good payrise. In not interested in what you lot are talking about. I'm also not interested in what rog said. The daily mail, chief cheerleader for Brexit, had essentially admitted that 'project fear' was true. Hundreds of thousands of job losses. If the daily mail are printing this stuff Lord knows how bad the real figures are. It's now vital the public are told what is in the impact assessments. We need an opportunity to see if public sentiment still supports this with the facts in the open.
Webbo Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: In not interested in what you lot are talking about. I'm also not interested in what rog said. The daily mail, chief cheerleader for Brexit, had essentially admitted that 'project fear' was true. Hundreds of thousands of job losses. Only if we get no deal. You'd think all these remain MPs would be a little more constructive rather than trying to wreck the negotiations.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Webbo said: Only if we get no deal. You'd think all these remain MPs would be a little more constructive rather than trying to wreck the negotiations. They're led by David "negotiating a deal will be easy" Davis. A leaver. And if you remember, both you and the government told us that no deal was better than a bad deal and paying a large bill was a bad deal.
Webbo Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Just now, toddybad said: They're led by David "negotiating a deal will be easy" Davis. A leaver. And if you remember, both you and the government told us that no deal was better than a bad deal and paying a large bill was a bad deal. We don't know what the deal is yet so how can we know if it's bad? At least this nails the lie that the EU aren't bothered about a deal and can just shrug off us leaving. You see what you can learn when you broaden your horizons?
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 10 minutes ago, Webbo said: We don't know what the deal is yet so how can we know if it's bad? At least this nails the lie that the EU aren't bothered about a deal and can just shrug off us leaving. You see what you can learn when you broaden your horizons? I regularly post from all sorts of sources. This shows that the eu have much less to lose than is and you might have noticed they don't seem to want to budge an inch. You leavers have ****ed us.
Strokes Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: I'm not really fussed about the comparison tbh I'm bored. Though over 500,000 uk jobs is horrific. You voted for that? Potentially half a million families being plunged into poverty so we can gain control of something or other. Mad. They’ll all be on zero hours contracts anyway so better off on the dole no?
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 The article I saw earlier about the EU saying we'd not done enough has disappeared and been replaced with something not as negative. My panic levels are returning to normal for now!
Strokes Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: The article I saw earlier about the EU saying we'd not done enough has disappeared and been replaced with something not as negative. My panic levels are returning to normal for now! There are still a few more twists and turns to come, that we can be certain of. 1
Buce Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 Peter Bone, the Conservative MP for Wellingborough, told the Guardian he would be prepared to vote down a final Brexit deal that came at too high a price. “I think people in the country will be very, very upset. I don’t think paying billions to the EU is what the people voted for. Giving billions to the EU is completely the reverse of what people voted for. If the deal is voted down we come out on World Trade Organisation rules. I don’t think that is a problem at all. Then all that money – £60bn lying around – we could use that to help the NHS and other things and even do tax cuts.” You couldn't make it up, could you? 1 1
Innovindil Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Buce said: Peter Bone, the Conservative MP for Wellingborough, told the Guardian he would be prepared to vote down a final Brexit deal that came at too high a price. “I think people in the country will be very, very upset. I don’t think paying billions to the EU is what the people voted for. Giving billions to the EU is completely the reverse of what people voted for. If the deal is voted down we come out on World Trade Organisation rules. I don’t think that is a problem at all. Then all that money – £60bn lying around – we could use that to help the NHS and other things and even do tax cuts.” You couldn't make it up, could you? Hope not, I'd love a tax cut.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 33 minutes ago, Buce said: Peter Bone, the Conservative MP for Wellingborough, told the Guardian he would be prepared to vote down a final Brexit deal that came at too high a price. “I think people in the country will be very, very upset. I don’t think paying billions to the EU is what the people voted for. Giving billions to the EU is completely the reverse of what people voted for. If the deal is voted down we come out on World Trade Organisation rules. I don’t think that is a problem at all. Then all that money – £60bn lying around – we could use that to help the NHS and other things and even do tax cuts.” You couldn't make it up, could you? Half the problem with the lack of nuance in the question is that nobody has a clue what people voted for.
Strokes Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 2 minutes ago, toddybad said: Half the problem with the lack of nuance in the question is that nobody has a clue what people voted for. I voted to stop giving money to the EU
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 15 minutes ago, Strokes said: I voted to stop giving money to the EU How's that working out for you?
Strokes Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: How's that working out for you? We will see won’t we, I haven’t given up hope yet.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: We will see won’t we, I haven’t given up hope yet. If we do pay £60bil just to get worse trade terms, will you be happy?
Strokes Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 3 minutes ago, toddybad said: If we do pay £60bil just to get worse trade terms, will you be happy? Not even close, I’ll want blood. We don’t owe anything I thought £20bil was too much but thought if it came as part of a transition you could half pass it off as extended membership and wash the bad taste away. Someone needs to take May out before she gets the top off her biro.
Guest Posted 29 November 2017 Posted 29 November 2017 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Not even close, I’ll want blood. We don’t owe anything I thought £20bil was too much but thought if it came as part of a transition you could half pass it off as extended membership and wash the bad taste away. Someone needs to take May out before she gets the top off her biro. Talk of it being £2.5bil per year for the next 40 years. Half for the divorce and half to allow access to a range of EU programmes like europol.
Webbo Posted 30 November 2017 Posted 30 November 2017 6 hours ago, toddybad said: Talk of it being £2.5bil per year for the next 40 years. Half for the divorce and half to allow access to a range of EU programmes like europol. If thats true that's a really good deal. We always wanted to stay in Europol ,Erasmus and similar schemes anyway. 1
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