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Technology, Science and the Environment.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Makes you realise that the real challenge is not climate change, but mentality change, greed, human nature.

Yeah, climate change is just the consequence.

 

But knowing that doesn't make solving the problem much easier.

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Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Yeah, climate change is just the consequence.

 

But knowing that doesn't make solving the problem much easier.

Small modular reactors is the way to go for me.  :thumbup:
However, no solution will work rapidly if we cannot address the mindset of people

leicsmac

leicsmac

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2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Small modular reactors is the way to go for me.  :thumbup:
However, no solution will work rapidly if we cannot address the mindset of people

Small modular reactors, fast breeder reactors, bespoke renewable solutions.

 

I guess the key to the second part is effective education and communication.

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yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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12 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Provisional launch day for Artemis I agreed.

 

August 29th.

 

It's been a long time coming.

I saw it at the launch site, they take it to the launch platform, do some tests, then take it back inside..

From the 4 mile veiwing area (the closest). The rocket on the right is space x.

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Zoomed in a bit.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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17 minutes ago, Line-X said:

 

We were "capable" 50 years ago. And it is a mark of greatest shame that we turned away in the first place.

 

But it's good to see that finally the work that needs to be done is getting done.

 

May we not turn away from the stars again.

SpacedX

SpacedX

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1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

We were "capable" 50 years ago.

Yes, indeed we were until the technology and hardware was left to lie fallow and the funding cut. Always struck me as strange that this is one of the main pillars of the moon landing denialists, "it has been fifty years, why haven't we gone back since?" 

Greg2607

Greg2607

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I went to Kew Gardens this week and the evidence of the damage last week's heat did is really stark.  Most of the trees are shedding leaves in droves (looks like autumn on the ground).  All the grass is dead and virtually all the shrubs looked like they they were on their last legs. 

 

If that level of temperatures becomes common in the UK, I think you are going to see a huge failure of our native flora and fauna. 

 

Next time you drive around, look at the trees and see how battered they are and how damaged the leaves are after two days of that heat. 

 

Scary to think what the future looks like. 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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2 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

I went to Kew Gardens this week and the evidence of the damage last week's heat did is really stark.  Most of the trees are shedding leaves in droves (looks like autumn on the ground).  All the grass is dead and virtually all the shrubs looked like they they were on their last legs. 

 

If that level of temperatures becomes common in the UK, I think you are going to see a huge failure of our native flora and fauna. 

 

Next time you drive around, look at the trees and see how battered they are and how damaged the leaves are after two days of that heat. 

 

Scary to think what the future looks like. 

.... and yet there are still so many talking heads invested in the status quo and enough people that believe them that action to try and stop this damage is happening too slowly, if it's happening at all. Even though the writing is appearing ever more starkly on the wall.

 

However, I think human ingenuity can still dig us out of the hole we're putting ourselves in. It's just going to be costly in terms of resources and lives. My hope is that one day those same talking heads are held accountable for that cost.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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8 minutes ago, Line-X said:

So terribly depressing...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62323048

 

A set of powerful people don't want the status quo to change because it affords them that power.

 

And they pay a lot for the type of influence that generates these trolls and bots - both virtual and real. That they will target weather reporters who are innocent just shows exactly how sociopathic and power-mongering they are.

 

I don't really blame the trolls themselves - they're either misguided/manipulated or simply lines of code. It's those who direct them who are to blame and must be neutralised, before they generate an outcome that at best leaves a hundred million people hungry, thirsty and homeless and at worst...well, very bad things.

 

NB. And yes, if someone doesn't think that the global average temperature is increasing, and that it is having increasingly consequential behaviour all over the world, and is willing to abuse decent people on account of it, that someone is being manipulated or misled - or is simply ignorant. These are not people "making a stand for freedom" or whatever - they're catspaws in denial of scientific evidence as strong as for gravity or the oblate spheroidness of the Earth.

SpacedX

SpacedX

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3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

they're catspaws in denial of scientific evidence as strong as for gravity or the oblate spheroidness of the Earth.

Unfortunately, the sad fact of the matter is, that many of them question that too. 

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Free Falling Foxes

Free Falling Foxes

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Over heard a couple of chaps discussing the climate. They were totally dismissive that climate change is happening.

It was so depressing to hear.

I know there are sceptics and total deniers of course, but to actually witness this, their firmly held, I dare say unshakeable, belief that none of it is true and even if it is, 'the planet will sort itself out' opinion, is quite shocking.

I thought of butting in but to my shame I didn't.

The worrying thing is; there are thousands of others with similar views.

None so blind.....

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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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41 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Over heard a couple of chaps discussing the climate. They were totally dismissive that climate change is happening.

It was so depressing to hear.

I know there are sceptics and total deniers of course, but to actually witness this, their firmly held, I dare say unshakeable, belief that none of it is true and even if it is, 'the planet will sort itself out' opinion, is quite shocking.

I thought of butting in but to my shame I didn't.

The worrying thing is; there are thousands of others with similar views.

None so blind.....

Doubt they would have been so dismissive if they had lost their home to the recent wildfires in Essex and elsewhere.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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10 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Over heard a couple of chaps discussing the climate. They were totally dismissive that climate change is happening.

It was so depressing to hear.

I know there are sceptics and total deniers of course, but to actually witness this, their firmly held, I dare say unshakeable, belief that none of it is true and even if it is, 'the planet will sort itself out' opinion, is quite shocking.

I thought of butting in but to my shame I didn't.

The worrying thing is; there are thousands of others with similar views.

None so blind.....

It's terrifying, isn't it?

 

It's the idea that someone won't stop smoking or eating high-fat food because the consequences of it aren't going to hit them for a while so they appear abstract. Only applied to an entire species and ecosystem. And it's very, very difficult to address without the direct "scare" that forces a person to take action, which in this case is of course not possible.

 

I'm not sure how many people doubt the science behind or the projected effects of climate change on FT, but if you do, please, do let's talk about it. The future needs as many people on board as possible and I will try to meet as high a burden of proof as you wish for to be convincing. Please.

 

9 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Doubt they would have been so dismissive if they had lost their home to the recent wildfires in Essex and elsewhere.

No doubt. Unfortunately we can't wait long enough for everyone to have that kind of learning experience.

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Guest Kopfkino

Guest Kopfkino

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16 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

@leicsmacI know this guy receives an indifferent reception here, but if you have 20 minutes to spare, I would be interested to know your views on this. To me, it makes a lot of sense, but I'm no expert.

 


What about it makes a lot of sense to you?

Zear0

Zear0

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Gave up after 5 minutes as it's just a rant about the ruling classes, and his paranoia about the "deep state" and their lifestyles with FA about enviroinmentalism or management of climate change.  Same as his COVID/lockdown stuff but with a brief background of when he actually did some good with his time and skills.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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6 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:


What about it makes a lot of sense to you?

Hopefully not the part that inferred the entire scientific method in the field of climate science was corrupt and therefore the entire climate scientist corps are too.

 

22 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

@leicsmacI know this guy receives an indifferent reception here, but if you have 20 minutes to spare, I would be interested to know your views on this. To me, it makes a lot of sense, but I'm no expert.

 

Hmmmm. Lot to unpack here.

 

On renewable energy solutions: he's wrong, quite simply. These solutions are already better in terms of total carbon output by comparison to coal and oil. Yes, they need to be partnered with fission-related solutions but they're hardly the environmental nightmare spoken of here.

 

On plastic pollution: a different problem entirely, and one we do need to grasp and solve. Fair points.

 

On living sustainably: yeah, of course. Such things sound good and mostly they are good, however are people really ready to regress in terms of their standard of living/comfort when a possible alternative exists whereby they don't have to - or even applying more sustainability alongside those solutions? People have a rose-tinted view of the past where such things were "simpler" that invariably glosses over some of the darker aspects, like massive infant mortality.

 

On the political "agenda": Irrelevant to the science or policy decisions being made on it for me, and as per above I do find the inference that the entire climate science corps is incompetent or corrupt.

 

Overall, I don't really see a solution to the clear and obvious problem of increasing global temperatures and their consequences being offered here, just criticism of the solution currently being planned. That's not constructive.

 

If I might ask, provided that we agree on the aforementioned prpblem, what kind of solution would be acceptable to you?

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