Foxes_Trust Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 Hi All We would like the open meeting to be an ongoing topic until after the meeting has been held. So Lush, for god's sake stop spoiling it for everybody else wittering on about one game's pricing & hence getting a topic closed. This thread is to discuss stewarding, what's 'acceptable' behaviour inside the stadium etc.
TrickyTrev Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 I think there just has to be a consensus view that removing people from the ground is a last resort. People have paid very good money to get in the ground and they do not want that eneded because they wwre standing up or swore. Swearing should also be allowed everywhere but the family stand. I know football is broardening its appeal but it is not going to church. We all know the words exist and hear them all the time so who exactly is it offending?
lush Posted 31 October 2005 Posted 31 October 2005 So Lush, for god's sake stop spoiling it for everybody else wittering on about one game's pricing & hence getting a topic closed. This thread is to discuss stewarding, what's 'acceptable' behaviour inside the stadium etc. i promise not to mention your discriminatory ideology, if you stop asking me to. Acceptable behaviour is stewards applying the rule of law, and if that means we get chucked out for breaking them laws, then so be it. Dont break the rules, and you`ll be ok.
Dr The Singh Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 Sorry for sounding like a politician...the keyword is RESPECT, we pay good money and the stewards should respect that and treat us like human beings and vice versa. There should be a set of guidlines for both stewards, and fans (away and home) that should be taken with common sense!
Sir Fynwy Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 Sorry for sounding like a politician...the keyword is RESPECT, we pay good money and the stewards should respect that and treat us like human beings and vice versa. There should be a set of guidlines for both stewards, and fans (away and home) that should be taken with common sense! On the streets you can be arested for swearing (foul and abusive language), for using threating behaviour, for racial abuse etc. Why should we tolerate a lower standard of behaviour at a football match? If the fans treat each other, the stewards and the players with respect the stewarding issues will go away.
Bert Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 I think the stewards need to stop with there double standards, if one person gets thrown out for making a gesture then every other fan who makes a gesture should get thrown out.
Jon the Hat Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 I would like to see the following: 1) A clear set of rules laying down for all fans what is and is not allowed. Lets get this in plain english and published in every matchday program and on the website. This should depend on where in the ground the offense is committed. 2) A corresponding set of automatic punishments. Also possibly dependent on location of the offense. 3) A clear appeals process where a fan feel they have been unfairly treated. 4) Compensation where a fan is judged to have been unfairly treated Thinking about it there is also an inequality whereby an STH is punished more with a ban as they have paid for the matches they miss, whereas a casual hasn't. That said STH's should probably know better.
Fox in a Box Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 i promise not to mention your discriminatory ideology, if you stop asking me to. Acceptable behaviour is stewards applying the rule of law, and if that means we get chucked out for breaking them laws, then so be it. Dont break the rules, and you`ll be ok. Lush can I ask how old you are? You really are spoiling this forum for us 30+ people who try and have adult discussions to take OUR club forward dont be a fool
Fox in a Box Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 Hi All We would like the open meeting to be an ongoing topic until after the meeting has been held. So Lush, for god's sake stop spoiling it for everybody else wittering on about one game's pricing & hence getting a topic closed. This thread is to discuss stewarding, what's 'acceptable' behaviour inside the stadium etc. Has anyone at the club got a copy of the Taylor report? as this forms the basis of what problems caused Hillsborough and this should be recognised.
lush Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 You really are spoiling this forum for us 30+ people who try and have adult discussions to take OUR club forward dont be a fool how am i "spoiling it"? Isnt your post contridictory
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 how am i "spoiling it"? Isnt your post contridictory To be fair u do ave nothing to add to this topic mate as u think nothings wrong so why bother.
lush Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 To be fair u do ave nothing to add to this topic mate as u think nothings wrong so why bother. There isnt anything wrong, so end of thread debate.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 There isnt anything wrong, so end of thread debate. well no thats ur opnion this thread is for discussing the problems people in their opinion feel the club has with stewarding. As someone who doesn't have one you should just ignore it.
lush Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 What is the problem? Provide details of it, not opinion, but actual details?
shen Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 What is the problem? Provide details of it, not opinion, but actual details? Why don't you just shut up lush? You're deliberately trying to provocate and for no bloody reason! Now you're actually doing to this thread what was originally specifically asked that you DON'T do...stop spamming!
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 What is the problem? Provide details of it, not opinion, but actual details? I already have, already given examples, and u have already decided not to belive them. Just dont post on this thread lush its for people to discuss what there gonna say at the open meeting, and ur not going. So stop forcing ur opinions. Im not having this arguement with u again we have already had it.
lush Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 This thread is to discuss stewarding, what's 'acceptable' behaviour inside the stadium etc. Has anyone got details that relate to a problem, of the above topic?
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 Yes a mild gestre, celebrating a goal and standing up for more then 5 seconds is acceptable behaviour at a football ground and has been for a long time.
Head Honcho Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 I think there just has to be a consensus view that removing people from the ground is a last resort. People have paid very good money to get in the ground and they do not want that eneded because they wwre standing up or swore. Swearing should also be allowed everywhere but the family stand. I know football is broardening its appeal but it is not going to church. We all know the words exist and hear them all the time so who exactly is it offending? I think with this issue of swearing you are skating on thin ice. The club has done a lot to try and eradicate racial chanting, much of which was mostly swearing yet you now condone swearing. It's preposterous. Swearing is offensive Racial chanting is offensive Yet one you don't mind doing yourself, and the other you dont like other people doing. Now is that the pot calling the kettle black, please excuse the pun. I personally find both offensive. Ask yourself! Does someone who has a right not to be subjected to racial chanting have more of a right then someone who finds swearing offensive. What does it matter where the swearing is you can still hear it wherever you are in the ground!
TrickyTrev Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 I think with this issue of swearing you are skating on thin ice. The club has done a lot to try and eradicate racial chanting, much of which was mostly swearing yet you now condone swearing. It's preposterous. Swearing is offensive Racial chanting is offensive Yet one you don't mind doing yourself, and the other you dont like other people doing. Now is that the pot calling the kettle black, please excuse the pun. I personally find both offensive. Ask yourself! Does someone who has a right not to be subjected to racial chanting have more of a right then someone who finds swearing offensive. What does it matter where the swearing is you can still hear it wherever you are in the ground! With respect mate, I doubt you are as offended by the word fock as people who are racially abused. There is a massive difference. One is suggesting somebody else is inferior for no other reason other than their skin colour the other is a word that society has supossedly deemed naughty. One is a ligitimate if not particuarly intelligent expression of anger, the other is a way of nasty form of bellitleing somebody. I won't even start to go into the history of racial prejudice and how that makes it a form of verbal abuse more intolerable than any other. On the streets you can be arested for swearing (foul and abusive language) Well actually mate if you swore in a pub or on a playground I'm guesing you would get away with it. Considering we don't live in a police state. If I swore in a library or a ata funeral that would obviously be innapropiate. What matters is where we believe football lies. Is a totally clean CONSERVATIVE event, or is it a social gathering of ordinary people. I know which one it is histotrically. Sadly some people seem to want to change it to Cricket.If I were ejected from the ground or even abnned for swearing then I would DEMAND my money back. It is a part of everyday life, I really don't want to be moralised to. Before someone makes the point Racism is VERY different. Swearing may not be pleasent to someones ears but it does not portray them as a second class citizen. Racist abuse is also a criminal offence.
TrickyTrev Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 3) A clear appeals process where a fan feel they have been unfairly treated.4) Compensation where a fan is judged to have been unfairly treated Thinking about it there is also an inequality whereby an STH is punished more with a ban as they have paid for the matches they miss, whereas a casual hasn't. Seconded.
Head Honcho Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 I think with this issue of swearing you are skating on thin ice. The club has done a lot to try and eradicate racial chanting, much of which was mostly swearing yet you now condone swearing. It's preposterous. Swearing is offensive Racial chanting is offensive Yet one you don't mind doing yourself, and the other you dont like other people doing. Now is that the pot calling the kettle black, please excuse the pun. I personally find both offensive. Ask yourself! Does someone who has a right not to be subjected to racial chanting have more of a right then someone who finds swearing offensive. What does it matter where the swearing is you can still hear it wherever you are in the ground! So your saying we should tolerate swearing but not racial abuse? Why should we tolerate either?
TrickyTrev Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 So your saying we should tolerate swearing but not racial abuse? Why should we tolerate either? That is exactly what I am saying. Even if you do find swearing offencive you must concede one is a lot worse than the other. As I tried to articulate I don't think it is a football clubs job to moralise to bootball fans. They provide entertainment and drama and a secure, safe environment to enjoy the match. Swearing is a matter of manors, racism is a lot mroe important than that.
Head Honcho Posted 1 November 2005 Posted 1 November 2005 That is exactly what I am saying. Even if you do find swearing offencive you must concede one is a lot worse than the other. As I tried to articulate I don't think it is a football clubs job to moralise to bootball fans. They provide entertainment and drama and a secure, safe environment to enjoy the match. Swearing is a matter of manors, racism is a lot mroe important than that. Of Course i do, but i don't think you can start moralising, when you go to matches and encourage swearing. We should be encouraging parents to bring children to watch football, no other sport puts up with swearing why should football?
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