Referees are beyond criticism

[Steven]

FA charges Nuno Espírito Santo over comments about referee Mason

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/31/fa-charges-nuno-espirito-santo-over-comments-about-referee-mason

 

 

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The FA said in a statement: “It is alleged that comments made by the head coach during a post-match interview constitute improper conduct as they were personally offensive to the match official and/or bring the game into disrepute contrary to FA Rule E3.1.” Nuno has until 5 January to respond to the charge.

 

The only persons bringing the game into disrepute contrary to FA Rule E3.1. is the FA themselves. 

[Finnegan]

I'm sorry but fvck off. 

 

A manager went to a post match interview and straight up said a ref wasn't fit to work. In no uncertain terms, in possibly the strongest language a manager has ever used, he absolutely tore Mason apart. 

 

There's no way they could let that go unpunished. 

 

If managers and club officials want to get together with the FA and the Premier League and talk about improving the standards of refereeing in this country, there are platforms for them to do it. Stressed out managers raging in post match interviews isn't it. 

 

Especially given there was nothing wrong with Mason's performance in that game, Wolves were just shit and Nuno was looking for an excuse. 

 

Edited 31 December 2020 by Finnegan

[StanSP]

They're not beyond criticism and Nuno's been appropriately apprehended.

 

I don't recall Mason doing anything wrong in that particular and maybe his criticism was borne out of frustration of his own team's shortcomings. 

 

Referees aren't beyond reproach or criticism but they are scrutinised to the nth degree and everything they do is magnified. I guess they just have to be criticised in the right way and not make it personal like Nuno did

[jammie82uk]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

They're not beyond criticism and Nuno's been appropriately apprehended.

 

I don't recall Mason doing anything wrong in that particular and maybe his criticism was borne out of frustration of his own team's shortcomings. 

 

Referees aren't beyond reproach or criticism but they are scrutinised to the nth degree and everything they do is magnified. I guess they just have to be criticised in the right way and not make it personal like Nuno did

It wasn’t just that one game for Nuno there was also previous history which he did mention in the interview 

 

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Referees aren't beyond reproach or criticism but they are scrutinised to the nth degree and everything they do is magnified. I guess they just have to be criticised in the right way

Yes they are scrutinised but only by the press and pundits, Managers, their staff and players can’t criticise or praise a referee at any point without facing possible sanctions from the FA

[StanSP]

19 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

It wasn’t just that one game for Nuno there was also previous history which he did mention in the interview 

 

Yes they are scrutinised but only by the press and pundits, Managers, their staff and players can’t criticise or praise a referee at any point without facing possible sanctions from the FA

Why would they face possible sanctions if they praised them? 

 

They perhaps need to criticise more subtly or less personally. Nuno was quite personal with Lee Mason so no wonder he faced a charge. 

 

Referees certainly aren't beyond criticism. 

[jammie82uk]

17 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Why would they face possible sanctions if they praised them? 

 

They perhaps need to criticise more subtly or less personally. Nuno was quite personal with Lee Mason so no wonder he faced a charge. 

 

Referees certainly aren't beyond criticism. 

A few years ago Jose Mourinho was fined £10,000 for bringing the game into disrepute for praising a game Mike Dean did

 

Also if referees aren’t beyond criticism can you point to a time where a manager has criticised the referee and not been fined as I can’t recall any at all

Edited 31 December 2020 by jammie82uk

[Steven]

27 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Why would they face possible sanctions if they praised them? 

 

They perhaps need to criticise more subtly or less personally. Nuno was quite personal with Lee Mason so no wonder he faced a charge. 

 

Referees certainly aren't beyond criticism. 

A referee can mock a disabled person, we only find about it later when the referee returns from Norway (I am sure that is a euphemism) and then can return to the PL Is this scrutiny and where is the public disclosure, indeed I would allege that there was a cover up.

 

Moreover on a week by week basis why aren't referee's assessments published and why don't referees publish their own assessment of the decisions they made during a game?

 

Why because top flight refereeing in the PL is a closed shop where everyone is protecting their own interests and not the interests of the game and League they are supposed to be serving.

Edited 31 December 2020 by Steven

[StanSP]

11 minutes ago, Steven said:

A referee can mock a disabled person, we only find about it later when the referee returns from Norway (I am sure that is a euphemism) and then can return to the PL Is this scrutiny and where is the public disclosure, indeed I would allege that there was a cover up.

 

Moreover on a week by week basis why aren't referee's assessments published and why don't referees publish their own assessment of the decisions they made during a game?

 

Why because top flight refereeing in the PL is a closed shop where everyone is protecting their own interests and not the interests of the game and League they are supposed to be serving.

I can't answer your questions but I have no idea why you've brought up the ref that mocked someone disabled in the context of this conversation 

[Wymsey]

Shame that referees can't be interviewed after games about any controversial decisions they have made; to be asked why they made such a decision etc by the interviewer, whilst looking at the replay of any incidents on screen next to them.

[Steven]

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I can't answer your questions but I have no idea why you've brought up the ref that mocked someone disabled in the context of this conversation 

Where was the criticism when it occurred? Remind me, was he charged under FA Rule E3.1.?

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Steven said:

Where was the criticism when it occurred? Remind me, was he charged under FA Rule E3.1.?

I'm hammered mate I couldn't really give a shit tbh

 

[Steven]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

I'm hammered mate I couldn't really give a shit tbh

 

I've been on the Champagne too. Happy New Year!

[StanSP]

3 minutes ago, Steven said:

I've been on the Champagne too. Happy New Year!

You too

 

[Super_horns]

I guess he wasn’t so critical this weekend when one of his players got away with falling over when Brighton scored .

 

Mind you I like that idea of refs having to come out with a public reason for their decisions.

 

Might give everyone more understanding of what is going on in their heads .

Edited 4 January 2021 by Super_horns

[filbertway]

8 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

The easiest way would be for the VAR discussions to be broadcast rather than just be left in the dark until they’ve made a decision on field. 

Would be interesting to hear them haha

 

"United is it? No need for us to check, you've given the pen, it's a pen"

[StanSP]

Anyone been watching BT Sport's 'Man in the Middle'? 

 

(no it's not an alternative version of Michael Jackson's Man in the Mirror ) 

 

Good insight in to how referees coped with VAR and the role generally in the Champions League last a season, including the break due to Covid-19 and the resumption of competition. 

 

They're well aware of the demands from fans and players and clubs to get every decision perfect and they incorporate VAR as best and quickly as possible. They don't delay on purpose and they don't get every decision wrong on purpose either - it's just very frustrating with the technology and number of officials around that there continue to be issues.