Current Player Contract Situation

[James_lcfc]

3 minutes ago, Mark said:

It'll be a repeat of Mendy, hopefully we've learnt.

We've just given Hamza 4 years.

 

Nothing has been learned. Vestergaard will be here until retirement. 

[Lambert09]

4 hours ago, James_lcfc said:

We've just given Hamza 4 years.

 

Nothing has been learned. Vestergaard will be here until retirement. 

I don’t agree with that. Hamza is very much about protecting a valuable asset. 
 

whereas vestergarde and mendy were/are at ages where the value will significantly reduce anyway.  

 

I wouldn’t feel okay  about hamza leaving for nothing when we know he’s probably worth 10m to a top championship club. (i wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave for southampton if we go up and they don’t) 

 

whereas if vesty walks i won’t feel like with lost any real value because at 32 we’d not be likely to get more that 4 mil for him anyway 

 

essentially is the value of the contract worth more than the value you could receive by selling them. With hamza yes with vestergarde…. likely no 

Edited 8 November 2023 by Lambert09

[Guest Col city fan]

On 21/07/2023 at 11:53, Sly said:

So, I saw someone else do this on Reddit, however just an update.

 

30th June 2024	30th June 2025	30th June 2026	30th June 2027	30th June 2028
Marc Albrighton	Danny Ward	Conor Coady	Wout Faes	Harry Souttar
Jannik Vestergaard	Daniel Iversen	Ricardo Pereira	Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall	Mads Hermansen
Dennis Praet	Timothy Castagne	Harry Winks		Victor Kristiansen
Jamie Vardy	Harvey Barnes	Boubakary Soumaré
Wilfred Ndidi		Patson Daka
Kelechi Iheanacho		James Justin
Hamza Choudhury
Luke Thomas
Wanya Marçal
Callum Doyle

 

Jeeeeesus!

Ward till 2025 and Souttar till 2028!

😂

[Tommy Fresh]

32 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Jeeeeesus!

Ward till 2025 and Souttar till 2028!

😂

Souttar isn't so bad but Ward bloody hell

[coolhandfox]

This summer will see a  continuation of a massive turnover of players, and I can see why the club tied down Hamza for some continuity in the squad; I see having a core of local lads as a positive. 

 

We have 8 players out of contract in the summer: Smithies, Vestergaard, Ndidi, Praet, Albrighton, Wanya Marçal, Iheanacho and Vardy,

 

I would imagine 3 will definitely leave: Smithies, Praet, and Albrighton.

 

I would also think the club may offer a new contract to the other 5, but it is not a given that they will sign, and I can see the majority leaving. 

 

We then have a group that is most likely going to be moved on by the club: Ward, Iversen, Daka, Souttar, Soumare, Kristiansen and Thomas, if we can do deals. 

 

We also have 4 loan players Akgun, Cascadi, Doyle and Fatawu. The likelihood we sign 2 of the 4 as we have obligations if we are promoted on Fatawu and Akgun. 

 

So, at the moment, it's looking like we have 14 players who are more than likely going to be here next season: McAteer, Stolarczyk, Coady,  Justin, Pereira, Winks, Faes, Choudhury, Dewsbury-Hall, Hermansen, Mavididi, Cannon, Akgün.
and Fatawu.

 

If none of the out-of-contract players resigns and we clear the deadwood, we are looking at around 11 incoming players, which is a massive turnover that, if we are in the PL, will come at a cost as we will need some real quality.

 

I can see why the club needs to balance the squad with a few cheap options like extending Hamza and, more than likely, introducing Alves and Braybrooke when fit. 

 

If all of the deadwood and out-of-contract players leave, only 4 first-team players, Faes, Justin, Dewsbury-Hall, Pereira and Choudhury (Who was on loan at Watford), will remain for the relegation season. 

 

Currently, the club has around 40m of transfer amortisation on the books, which should drop to around 30m in the summer (if we make no signings this winter) compared to its high point of 60m from 2020 to 2023.

 

I assume the club will not want to hit that level of transfer amortisation again. If you are dishing out 5-year contracts for every 50m you spend on players, it adds 10m to our transfer amortisation; that figure goes up or down with longer or shorter contracts.  Another way to decrease amortisation is to offer new contracts to existing players, as the remaining book value of their transfer can be divided throughout the new contract, for example, Faes's transfer fee current amortisation is 3m per annum. If we gave him a new 4-year contract in the summer, the remaining value of his transfer would be re-amortised over the 4 years, so the 9m that remains is divided by 4 rather than 3, which reduces the annual amortisation from 3m to 2.25m.

 

So after a lot of waffle, I think from an FFP point of view we could easily spend 50m-75m next summer if we have the cash flow as we will have plenty of gap on transfer amortisation and wages. 

 

[pleatout]

5 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

This summer will see a  continuation of a massive turnover of players, and I can see why the club tied down Hamza for some continuity in the squad; I see having a core of local lads as a positive. 

 

We have 8 players out of contract in the summer: Smithies, Vestergaard, Ndidi, Praet, Albrighton, Wanya Marçal, Iheanacho and Vardy,

 

I would imagine 3 will definitely leave: Smithies, Praet, and Albrighton.

 

I would also think the club may offer a new contract to the other 5, but it is not a given that they will sign, and I can see the majority leaving. 

 

We then have a group that is most likely going to be moved on by the club: Ward, Iversen, Daka, Souttar, Soumare, Kristiansen and Thomas, if we can do deals. 

 

We also have 4 loan players Akgun, Cascadi, Doyle and Fatawu. The likelihood we sign 2 of the 4 as we have obligations if we are promoted on Fatawu and Akgun. 

 

So, at the moment, it's looking like we have 14 players who are more than likely going to be here next season: McAteer, Stolarczyk, Coady,  Justin, Pereira, Winks, Faes, Choudhury, Dewsbury-Hall, Hermansen, Mavididi, Cannon, Akgün.
and Fatawu.

 

If none of the out-of-contract players resigns and we clear the deadwood, we are looking at around 11 incoming players, which is a massive turnover that, if we are in the PL, will come at a cost as we will need some real quality.

 

I can see why the club needs to balance the squad with a few cheap options like extending Hamza and, more than likely, introducing Alves and Braybrooke when fit. 

 

If all of the deadwood and out-of-contract players leave, only 4 first-team players, Faes, Justin, Dewsbury-Hall, Pereira and Choudhury (Who was on loan at Watford), will remain for the relegation season. 

 

Currently, the club has around 40m of transfer amortisation on the books, which should drop to around 30m in the summer (if we make no signings this winter) compared to its high point of 60m from 2020 to 2023.

 

I assume the club will not want to hit that level of transfer amortisation again. If you are dishing out 5-year contracts for every 50m you spend on players, it adds 10m to our transfer amortisation; that figure goes up or down with longer or shorter contracts.  Another way to decrease amortisation is to offer new contracts to existing players, as the remaining book value of their transfer can be divided throughout the new contract, for example, Faes's transfer fee current amortisation is 3m per annum. If we gave him a new 4-year contract in the summer, the remaining value of his transfer would be re-amortised over the 4 years, so the 9m that remains is divided by 4 rather than 3, which reduces the annual amortisation from 3m to 2.25m.

 

So after a lot of waffle, I think from an FFP point of view we could easily spend 50m-75m next summer if we have the cash flow as we will have plenty of gap on transfer amortisation and wages. 

 

what he said

[ajthefox]

15 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

I don’t agree with that. Hamza is very much about protecting a valuable asset. 
 

whereas vestergarde and mendy were/are at ages where the value will significantly reduce anyway.  

 

I wouldn’t feel okay  about hamza leaving for nothing when we know he’s probably worth 10m to a top championship club. (i wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave for southampton if we go up and they don’t) 

 

whereas if vesty walks i won’t feel like with lost any real value because at 32 we’d not be likely to get more that 4 mil for him anyway 

 

essentially is the value of the contract worth more than the value you could receive by selling them. With hamza yes with vestergarde…. likely no 

I still think 4 years for Hamza was too long though. We couldn't shift him before and he isn't really the kind of player you want starting in the PL week in week out. If we go up and stay up, by the summer of 25 we'll be struggling to shift him I reckon.

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, ajthefox said:

I still think 4 years for Hamza was too long though. We couldn't shift him before and he isn't really the kind of player you want starting in the PL week in week out. If we go up and stay up, by the summer of 25 we'll be struggling to shift him I reckon.

I think the situation has shifted now. Before clubs didn’t really know what he offered but after an outstanding campaign at watford clubs would see value in him. Which is exactly why there was interest in the summer.

 

Being a squad player in what we are doing now won’t hurt his reputation one jot so i’d expect enquirers to come in the summer. 

 

 

[filbertway]

37 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I think the situation has shifted now. Before clubs didn’t really know what he offered but after an outstanding campaign at watford clubs would see value in him. Which is exactly why there was interest in the summer.

 

Being a squad player in what we are doing now won’t hurt his reputation one jot so i’d expect enquirers to come in the summer. 

 

 

Hamza Choudhury | Page 3 | WFC Forums

 

Where are you getting this "outstanding season" from? haha

 

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

Hamza Choudhury | Page 3 | WFC Forums

 

Where are you getting this "outstanding season" from? haha

 

from what i’d seen they absolutely loved him for the first half of the season. He dropped off towards the end but the whole team was a dud so it’s understandable. 
 

His ratings overall were very good?  In pre-season i posted the keys stat players from every team… Hamza was the stand out for watford.  That team had no creativity or goals in it but hamza did his job and he did it well. 
 

If we were lacking creativity we’d get annoyed at him as well but overall that’s not why he’s in a team 

[James_lcfc]

19 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

I don’t agree with that. Hamza is very much about protecting a valuable asset. 
 

whereas vestergarde and mendy were/are at ages where the value will significantly reduce anyway.  

 

I wouldn’t feel okay  about hamza leaving for nothing when we know he’s probably worth 10m to a top championship club. (i wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave for southampton if we go up and they don’t) 

 

whereas if vesty walks i won’t feel like with lost any real value because at 32 we’d not be likely to get more that 4 mil for him anyway 

 

essentially is the value of the contract worth more than the value you could receive by selling them. With hamza yes with vestergarde…. likely no 

Yeah I can see your point in terms of the resale value.

 

Although I'm sure Watford turned down the £6m option they had on him - I doubt he'll ever go for near £10m!

 

Always seen him as more of a hindrance than a help on the pitch - Even at this level.

[filbertway]

11 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

from what i’d seen they absolutely loved him for the first half of the season. He dropped off towards the end but the whole team was a dud so it’s understandable. 
 

His ratings overall were very good?  In pre-season i posted the keys stat players from every team… Hamza was the stand out for watford.  That team had no creativity or goals in it but hamza did his job and he did it well. 
 

If we were lacking creativity we’d get annoyed at him as well but overall that’s not why he’s in a team 

I don't think anyone is paying close to £10 million for a ball winner that lacks awareness and has little confidence on the ball.

 

For me it's a massive waste of our cash, no team in their right mind will even cover what we will outlay in wages. 4 years is insane.

 

Lad must have a class agent though as he's milking millions out of us despite not really ever being close to being a crucial player.

[Lambert09]

8 minutes ago, filbertway said:

I don't think anyone is paying close to £10 million for a ball winner that lacks awareness and has little confidence on the ball.

 

For me it's a massive waste of our cash, no team in their right mind will even cover what we will outlay in wages. 4 years is insane.

 

Lad must have a class agent though as he's milking millions out of us despite not really ever being close to being a crucial player.

I think if he gets some decent enough minutes in a title winning season you’d be surprised how much someone might pay. 

 

We stuck a 6-8m option in the watford  deal when his stock was lower, so i just feel a team like southampton who just got a ridiculous fees for lavia might be willing to pay a sum close to that if it’s what they need to get up. 

 

either way… 5 mill in the summer would probably make the deal worthwhile. Enzo likes him though 

[Jobyfox]

6 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

This summer will see a  continuation of a massive turnover of players, and I can see why the club tied down Hamza for some continuity in the squad; I see having a core of local lads as a positive. 

 

We have 8 players out of contract in the summer: Smithies, Vestergaard, Ndidi, Praet, Albrighton, Wanya Marçal, Iheanacho and Vardy,

 

I would imagine 3 will definitely leave: Smithies, Praet, and Albrighton.

 

I would also think the club may offer a new contract to the other 5, but it is not a given that they will sign, and I can see the majority leaving. 

 

We then have a group that is most likely going to be moved on by the club: Ward, Iversen, Daka, Souttar, Soumare, Kristiansen and Thomas, if we can do deals. 

 

We also have 4 loan players Akgun, Cascadi, Doyle and Fatawu. The likelihood we sign 2 of the 4 as we have obligations if we are promoted on Fatawu and Akgun. 

 

So, at the moment, it's looking like we have 14 players who are more than likely going to be here next season: McAteer, Stolarczyk, Coady,  Justin, Pereira, Winks, Faes, Choudhury, Dewsbury-Hall, Hermansen, Mavididi, Cannon, Akgün.
and Fatawu.

 

If none of the out-of-contract players resigns and we clear the deadwood, we are looking at around 11 incoming players, which is a massive turnover that, if we are in the PL, will come at a cost as we will need some real quality.

 

I can see why the club needs to balance the squad with a few cheap options like extending Hamza and, more than likely, introducing Alves and Braybrooke when fit. 

 

If all of the deadwood and out-of-contract players leave, only 4 first-team players, Faes, Justin, Dewsbury-Hall, Pereira and Choudhury (Who was on loan at Watford), will remain for the relegation season. 

 

Currently, the club has around 40m of transfer amortisation on the books, which should drop to around 30m in the summer (if we make no signings this winter) compared to its high point of 60m from 2020 to 2023.

 

I assume the club will not want to hit that level of transfer amortisation again. If you are dishing out 5-year contracts for every 50m you spend on players, it adds 10m to our transfer amortisation; that figure goes up or down with longer or shorter contracts.  Another way to decrease amortisation is to offer new contracts to existing players, as the remaining book value of their transfer can be divided throughout the new contract, for example, Faes's transfer fee current amortisation is 3m per annum. If we gave him a new 4-year contract in the summer, the remaining value of his transfer would be re-amortised over the 4 years, so the 9m that remains is divided by 4 rather than 3, which reduces the annual amortisation from 3m to 2.25m.

 

So after a lot of waffle, I think from an FFP point of view we could easily spend 50m-75m next summer if we have the cash flow as we will have plenty of gap on transfer amortisation and wages.