US Presidential Election 2024

[ozleicester]

[Jon the Hat]

15 hours ago, jgtuk said:

That’s blatantly not true, Elective and unspecified reasons: 95.9% is the reason given, not quite the same as “unwanted pregnancy” 

Any woman should have the right to choose what happens to her body for whatever reason she chooses, as long as it’s within health guidelines. 
Very often it’s things like poverty, lack of housing or a decent support network which cause women to seek abortions. 
Most often, the reasons given against abortion are based around religious teachings. 

 

I'll read unspecified reasons to include "what the **** has it got to do with you?" when asked.  Which is the sensible answer isn't it.

[Jon the Hat]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Exactly.  Not to say society shouldn't help people who find themselves with a baby and unable to support themselves, so that they don't feel they have no options but to have an abortion.

[chuddy8]

6 hours ago, ozleicester said:

You don't think it matters that people are using abortion as a form of birth control?

[Dunge]

8 minutes ago, chuddy8 said:

You don't think it matters that people are using abortion as a form of birth control?

Out of interest, do you imagine women to be having lots of s*x, regularly finding themselves pregnant, then going “oh well, better go off and have my quarterly abortion”?

 

[Torquay Gunner]

2 hours ago, chuddy8 said:

You don't think it matters that people are using abortion as a form of birth control?

Do you have any actual data evidence to back that up? Thing is without being rude, it’s no more your business that it is of Trump’s. 

[MPH]

Found this quite interesting.. 

 

From an Australian living in the United States..

 

 

[Jattdogg]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

Found this quite interesting.. 

 

From an Australian living in the United States..

 

 

I don't have X socan't see the entire thread. What's the gist?

[leicsmac]

Just now, Jattdogg said:

I don't have X socan't see the entire thread. What's the gist?

That it wasn't full of foaming at the mouth rednecks and there was a lot of enthusiasm and there's clearly something to the movement that he embodies.

 

Which is all fair enough, but changes nothing about the policies that movement is in favour of and the consequences thereof.

[MPH]

6 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

I don't have X socan't see the entire thread. What's the gist?

 

He also dismissed the idea that some Dems are floating around about him being cognitively impaired like Joe Biden was. He said when you see him in person, you can see he’s not. He said he rambles on a bit, but then again he always has..

Edited 25 October 2024 by MPH

[HighPeakFox]

3 hours ago, chuddy8 said:

You don't think it matters that people are using abortion as a form of birth control?

a) that's an opinion, not a fact and b) I doubt you'd get a sane woman promoting that point of view.

[chuddy8]

1 hour ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Do you have any actual data evidence to back that up? Thing is without being rude, it’s no more your business that it is of Trump’s. 

95% are the result of unintended pregnancies, ergo, people are terminating life after conception as a form of birth control.

 

In large numbers.

 

It's fine to be liberal, but let's at least examine the facts and accept that there is a problem so we can do something about it, rather than hiding behind a cloak of virtue, attempting to always say the most empathetic and kindest thing.

[jgtuk]

33 minutes ago, chuddy8 said:

95% are the result of unintended pregnancies, ergo, people are terminating life after conception as a form of birth control.

 

In large numbers.

 

It's fine to be liberal, but let's at least examine the facts and accept that there is a problem so we can do something about it, rather than hiding behind a cloak of virtue, attempting to always say the most empathetic and kindest thing.

Stop making things up!! Your use of the word ergo doesn't make it a fact...

Where does it say in those stats that Women are using termination as a form of birth control?

You've obviously never been around anyone who has had an abortion.

It's not something anyone chooses to do without good reason and causes many long and short term issues, both physical and mental.

 

 

 

[Dunge]

47 minutes ago, chuddy8 said:

95% are the result of unintended pregnancies, ergo, people are terminating life after conception as a form of birth control.

 

In large numbers.

 

It's fine to be liberal, but let's at least examine the facts and accept that there is a problem so we can do something about it, rather than hiding behind a cloak of virtue, attempting to always say the most empathetic and kindest thing.

If you want something meatier to chew on, how about this:

 

I, personally, don’t believe fetuses should have the same rights as born children.

Go.

[Torquay Gunner]

2 hours ago, chuddy8 said:

95% are the result of unintended pregnancies, ergo, people are terminating life after conception as a form of birth control.

 

In large numbers.

 

It's fine to be liberal, but let's at least examine the facts and accept that there is a problem so we can do something about it, rather than hiding behind a cloak of virtue, attempting to always say the most empathetic and kindest thing.

I don't see your theory outlined in the text that you have used.  There are many reasons why a woman would choose to have an abortion rather than give birth.  Whether those reasons would be valid to you is of course entirely irrelevant.  The major ‘problem’ I can see is when women are denied the right to that choice.  If you think that is ‘hiding behind a cloak of virtue’ then that says more about you than it does me.  Not sure what’s wrong with displaying empathy and kindness on this particular subject either. 

[ozleicester]

8 hours ago, chuddy8 said:

You don't think it matters that people are using abortion as a form of birth control?

I think its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

[WigstonWanderer]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/25/mcdonalds-e-coli-outbreak

 

Wonder if he washed his hands?
 

[NasPb]

Trump is winning this. Almost 100%. I'm no supporter of his economics or any policies of his, but many people will stay home instead of voting for that warmonger in Harris. Both awful candidates. Trumps worse but he'll win. 

[leicsmac]

13 minutes ago, NasPb said:

Trump is winning this. Almost 100%. I'm no supporter of his economics or any policies of his, but many people will stay home instead of voting for that warmonger in Harris. Both awful candidates. Trumps worse but he'll win. 

Let us hope, for the sake of lots of people, that you're wrong on this one, mate. There's a lot at stake.

[so1]

5 minutes ago, NasPb said:

Trump is winning this. Almost 100%. I'm no supporter of his economics or any policies of his, but many people will stay home instead of voting for that warmonger in Harris. Both awful candidates. Trumps worse but he'll win. 

Just a question of who can lie the most. What we get in January will be anybody's guess. But guaranteed things will not improve except for the top 10% economically. It's always been about the wealthy protecting their wealth. For decades. I can't even comprehend the insanity of the Israelis anymore. My country is absolutely insane in regards to their homicidal support and actions in the middle east and through out the world. Beyond depressing.

[leicsmac]

Just now, so1 said:

Just a question of who can lie the most. What we get in January will be anybody's guess. But guaranteed things will not improve except for the top 10% economically. It's always been about the wealthy protecting their wealth. For decades. I can't even comprehend the insanity of the Israelis anymore. My country is absolutely insane in regards to their homicidal support and actions in the middle east and through out the world. Beyond depressing.

Not sure how many times this has to be stated, but that system isn't sustainable, and while I know civilisational collapse makes some people excited, I'd rather not treat this as a done deal.

[MPH]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Let us hope, for the sake of lots of people, that you're wrong on this one, mate. There's a lot at stake.

 

muslim leaders( today)  in Detroit have just come out and backed Trump. That’s huge. I think Dems only won Michigan by a tiny margin in 2020… a few thousand votes and there’s 300k Muslims in Detroit alone and that’s a potentially 600 k swing vote. : they feel betrayed by the Dems and the handling of the attack on Gaza. It’s a bit short sighted of them but  because  they think the Dem are tough on Gaza then they should imagine how Trump should handle the crisis as he’s Staunchly pro-Israeli. But still, that’s huge for Trump- official backing.

Edited 26 October 2024 by MPH

[so1]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Not sure how many times this has to be stated, but that system isn't sustainable, and while I know civilisational collapse makes some people excited, I'd rather not treat this as a done deal.

That's history. The future is not a done deal. Everything changes eventually... Guaranteed.

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

muslim leaders( today)  in Detroit have just come out and backed Trump. That’s huge. I think Dems only won Michigan by a tiny margin in 2020… a few thousand votes and there’s 300k Muslims in Detroit alone and that’s a potentially 600 k swing vote. : they feel betrayed by the Dems and the handling of the attack on Gaza. It’s a bit short sighted of them but  because  they think the Dem are tough on Gaza then they should imagine how Trump should handle the crisis as he’s Staunchly pro-Israeli. But still, that’s huge for Trump- official backing.

Really?

 

Wow - if that's not a peak example of turkeys voting for Christmas then it's damn close.

 

It would be darkly hilarious were the stakes not so high and the consequences so severe.

 

11 minutes ago, so1 said:

That's history. The future is not a done deal. Everything changes eventually... Guaranteed.

The laws of physics (pertaining to thermodynamics) and their consequences are what they are and are predictable.

 

There's no reason whatsoever to not plan for the future beyond one's own four walls, barring basic nihilism.

[Andy11111]

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