US Presidential Election 2024

[MPH]

2 hours ago, Nalis said:

Say what you want about him but Trump plays the anti establishment card to a tee, maybe that plays into the mindset of those who want change in the US but just see Harris as a different leader/same policies type?

 

You’re absolutely right and it ties in nicely to the whole reason why the constitution was written and why America was formed- to reject and replace a tyrannical government.

 

 

yet, Bizarrely, Trump appears so authoritative in his anti government stance that he becomes a borderline dictator and misses the fact completely that the whole point of the constitution is that “we the people”  were the intended  government  and he’s throwing out the administrative definition that the Constitution intended to establish..

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Yep, you're absolutely spot on. But that doesn't stop such thinking leading to only one logical outcome.

 

So, obviously privileged as it is, someone has to think of and act on the long game - or everyone, including Cory from Georgia - share in the consequences.

Totally agree. Btw ‘secret life of chaos’ documentary is brilliant re your second para. The worlds systems are work against Cory and the 99% of us other plebs and eventually will f4ck the 1% too. We need a radical rethink of every part of our world. 

[Paninistickers]

53 minutes ago, MPH said:

he’s throwing out the administrative definition that the Constitution intended to establish..

Think you are giving him too much credit. 

 

He's a narcissist pure,  obsessed with winning and power. I don't think there's any depth to his plans for politics or the constitution whatsoever 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Totally agree. Btw ‘secret life of chaos’ documentary is brilliant re your second para. The worlds systems are work against Cory and the 99% of us other plebs and eventually will f4ck the 1% too. We need a radical rethink of every part of our world. 

I'll have to check that out, thank you. And yeah, entirely agreed.

[Torquay Gunner]

3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Could it be that Trump isn't racist? Isn't it just more that he's simply unpleasant to those who don't like him, regardless of colour? 

 

I think many Trump supporters are racist, for sure. But I'm not sold that he is per se. 

I wonder why he invited white supremacist Nick Fuentes to Mar-a - Lago for dinner 2 years ago.  I wonder why he paced adverts in the New York Times in 1989 calling for the death penalty for four black teenagers and an latino teen, who were falsely accused of a rape in central park.  Even though their convictions were overturned many years ago, he has refused to apologise.  His obsession with Harris’s bi-racial origins and Obama’s passport.  I note that he never appointed any black men or women to any senior position within his previous administration, or has any such demographic within his current campaign team.  To paraphrase that old saying, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it might just be one. 

Edited 16 October 2024 by Torquay Gunner

[HighPeakFox]

3 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

 east lansing, Michigan 

I lived there for 4 months. It was cold.

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

You’re absolutely right and it ties in nicely to the whole reason why the constitution was written and why America was formed- to reject and replace a tyrannical government.

 

Yet, Bizarrely, Trump appears so authoritative in his anti government stance that he becomes a borderline dictator and misses the fact completely that the whole point of the constitution is that “we the people”  were the intended  government  and he’s throwing out the administrative definition that the Constitution intended to establish..

It is pure schoolyard bully rules - they apply to those we don't like, but never to me and my gang. Much like those who enjoy the 'It's a free country, I'll say what I like' whilst wishing to deny that right to anyone who happens to disagree. This is how dictators work.

[grobyfox1990]

14 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I lived there for 4 months. It was cold.

Seriously!!! How come? What was day to day life like? People? At election time I am obsessed with small towns in swing states. Would love to do 6 months documenting a few of them 

[HighPeakFox]

10 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Seriously!!! How come? What was day to day life like? People? At election time I am obsessed with small towns in swing states. Would love to do 6 months documenting a few of them 

It was in 1995, I was studying at MSU. I lived on campus so my exposure to regular people was limited, but I think it's fair to say it was ultra-conservative, old-fashioned and at that time, gay people could not admit they were gay - no idea if it is still like that.

[Jattdogg]

At this point,  both suck but I'd rather see Harris in than what's his face.. hope for the best, prepare for the worst lol.

 

Please tell me in 4 years time we will have more central candidates from both sides. The extremes need to end.

[MPH]

10 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

At this point,  both suck but I'd rather see Harris in than what's his face.. hope for the best, prepare for the worst lol.

 

Please tell me in 4 years time we will have more central candidates from both sides. The extremes need to end.

 

my big concern is that if Trump gets elected, he’ll use the 4 years to ‘weed out’ the center right elements of the Republican Party.  And spend the time ‘ grooming’ his successor..

[Bellend Sebastian]

19 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

my big concern is that if Trump gets elected, he’ll use the 4 years to ‘weed out’ the center right elements of the Republican Party.  And spend the time ‘ grooming’ his successor..

These are entirely legitimate concerns but look at the state of him, if he goes another two years without shitting himself to death I'll be amazed. You don't look like that, have an apparently cheeseburger heavy diet and get to enjoy massive longevity

[Jattdogg]

4 hours ago, MPH said:

 

my big concern is that if Trump gets elected, he’ll use the 4 years to ‘weed out’ the center right elements of the Republican Party.  And spend the time ‘ grooming’ his successor..

Trumpism will die if he wins in like 2 years time. The new republican candidates will start making noise for 2028 around there.

 

I think most current Republicans  kiss the ring for their own political gain outside of wackos like Marjorie,  hobbit (or whatever her name is) and the Matt gaetz weirdo. I can see them coming back to the center somewhat.

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, MPH said:

 

my big concern is that if Trump gets elected, he’ll use the 4 years to ‘weed out’ the center right elements of the Republican Party.  And spend the time ‘ grooming’ his successor..

And his successor is already on message about using the democratic process to destroy it, and violence and insurrection being acceptable means of gaining and holding power, if today's words are any judge.

 

2 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Trumpism will die if he wins in like 2 years time. The new republican candidates will start making noise for 2028 around there.

 

I think most current Republicans  kiss the ring for their own political gain outside of wackos like Marjorie,  hobbit (or whatever her name is) and the Matt gaetz weirdo. I can see them coming back to the center somewhat.

That would at least mean the damage done is limited, but I can only hope rather than expect this is true.

 

More likely the consequences resonate for much, much longer than that.

[HighPeakFox]

This isn't confined to Trump. The tentacles of this movement are much farther reaching, much darker and much more powerful than any one government. 

[Sir Steve Howard]

8 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

At this point,  both suck but I'd rather see Harris in than what's his face.. hope for the best, prepare for the worst lol.

 

Please tell me in 4 years time we will have more central candidates from both sides. The extremes need to end.

This is why a two party system is ridiculous. If there's no middle ground the two can end up drifting to extremes.

Libertarian got to 10% in polls at one point during 2016 campaign, then Gary Johnson had his infamous "what is Aleppo" moment

 

[Sir Steve Howard]

Fair play to Harris for taking a Fox news interview, although you'd also have to bear in mind that the debate between her and Trump was on ABC.

Just like the discussion we've had in here, she spent almost the entire time talking about why Trump is bad rather than any of her policies.

 

 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Sir Steve Howard said:

Fair play to Harris for taking a Fox news interview, although you'd also have to bear in mind that the debate between her and Trump was on ABC.

Just like the discussion we've had in here, she spent almost the entire time talking about why Trump is bad rather than any of her policies.

 

 

Yep. And just like the discussion in here, when one candidate tries to write off an insurrection attempt in his name as no big thing and his VP appears on message with it, perhaps that should be pointed out at length.

 

Of course, again like the discussion above, to get people on board you have to point out policies and why they would be better, rather than just going on about why the other candidate is worse. Harris is making a mistake by not doing that enough in the minds of many, clearly.

 

I wish I knew what the best path is forward to neutralise the sentiment Trump has tapped into so well.

[grobyfox1990]

40 minutes ago, Sir Steve Howard said:

Fair play to Harris for taking a Fox news interview, although you'd also have to bear in mind that the debate between her and Trump was on ABC.

Just like the discussion we've had in here, she spent almost the entire time talking about why Trump is bad rather than any of her policies.

 

 

Yeh fair play to her for doing it, a huge risk that should earn her brownie points. But my god was she so so bad.

[ealingfox]

Its funny how Harris is simultaneously both an 'extreme/communist/socialist' candidate and also more of the same corporate centrist neoliberalism that everyone's so sick of.

 

It can't be both!

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, ealingfox said:

Its funny how Harris is simultaneously both an 'extreme/communist/socialist' candidate and also more of the same corporate centrist neoliberalism that everyone's so sick of.

 

It can't be both!

Schrodingers Liberal.

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh fair play to her for doing it, a huge risk that should earn her brownie points. But my god was she so so bad.

I thought she did as well as could be expected in the clips I’ve seen. Admittedly, I haven’t seen the whole thing and these clips were from msnbc.

Edited 17 October 2024 by WigstonWanderer

[grobyfox1990]

21 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

I thought she did as well as could be expected in the clips I’ve seen. Admittedly, I haven’t seen the whole thing and these clips were from msnbc.

Yeh fair, it is worth a watch, only 25 mins long. I mainly watched it because I thought the Fox host would be the typical embarrassing shouty mess. But he was quite professional! Kamala talked over him a lot which I thought let her down  

[Dunge]

2 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh fair play to her for doing it, a huge risk that should earn her brownie points. But my god was she so so bad.

I don’t think it was a good idea.

 

I’m reminded of our election in 2019 when Corbyn had just finished a car crash interview with Andrew Neil, while Boris hid in a fridge to escape a single unfriendly reporter, let alone talk with Neil himself. Not braving the crocodiles didn’t hurt Boris in the end, and his strategists were probably right because the risk was so high. Avoiding them hurt a little, but mostly drew the ire of political watchers and political opponents, who weren’t going to be swayed anyway.

 

Kamala Harris should have spent her time banging the drum of why Trump wouldn’t face her in a direct debate again instead of hiding behind Fox. Instead, she walked straight into a Republican trap. There’s brave and there’s stupid. This was stupid.

[MPH]

11 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

These are entirely legitimate concerns but look at the state of him, if he goes another two years without shitting himself to death I'll be amazed. You don't look like that, have an apparently cheeseburger heavy diet and get to enjoy massive longevity

 

 

to be fair he’s probably not going to the McDonald’s drive through every day… he can probably afford the finest beef that’s  very lean, ect.