US Presidential Election 2024

[so1]

30 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Harris is starting to look a bit like Starmer; probably not good enough for the task at hand but definitely better than the alternative.

They all suck. Just a contest of dumb and dumber and zero hope that any of our corrupt Ruling Class and their masters will ever represent all Americans and not just the wealthy and connected. Turn us over we're done.

[Parafox]

4 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Question time special in Philly with Fiona Brucey.

They said it would be lively. They weren't wrong. 

Trump supporters don't help themselves at all. 

Edited 10 October 2024 by Parafox

[Parafox]

Ms White, Republican Trump loyalist, on the panel claiming no new wars started under Trump as if to say he's prevented war whilst he was president. Laughable. 

Edited 10 October 2024 by Parafox

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Parafox said:

They said it would be lively. They weren't wrong. 

Trump supporters don't help themselves at all. 

They don't feel that they need to. They feel they have enough numbers to influence policy in the way they want to the detriment of practically everyone else anyway.

[Spudulike]

Loving hearing an American use the word bollocks.

[Parafox]

$1900 a month for health insurance in USA 

[Dr The Singh]

12 minutes ago, Parafox said:

$1900 a month for health insurance in USA 

Bupa including dental, eye care etc in UK is about the same in the UK.  My family plan is more than double that.

[Dr The Singh]

I would vote for Martina White

[leicsmac]

Little bit frustrating that show focused on numerous areas where Trump could appear "strong" and pander to halftruths and prejudices (economics and immigration) and next to none where he and his platform could be challenged much more solidly (women's and minority rights issues, scientific policy).

 

Clearly they're the most "important" issues for a lot of Americans, but the focus on immediate short term gain issues just plays to the strengths of those who value short term thinking most and leads nowhere good long term.

[grobyfox1990]

10 hours ago, brookfox said:

Harris is starting to look a bit like Starmer; probably not good enough for the task at hand but definitely better than the alternative.

Good point. She appears devoid of any inspiration, personality or leadership abilities. It’s like she’s running for a council position in north Darlington. She seems like sunak, a competent administrator but a long way from being a commander in chief . She’s doing the right thing by avoiding live broadcast. Her campaign has to headline on ‘I’m not a criminal and I’ll protect your gun rights’

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Good point. She appears devoid of any inspiration, personality or leadership abilities. It’s like she’s running for a council position in north Darlington. She seems like sunak, a competent administrator but a long way from being a commander in chief . She’s doing the right thing by avoiding live broadcast. Her campaign has to headline on ‘I’m not a criminal and I’ll protect your gun rights’

Should be something about basic rights to bodily autonomy in there too tbh.

[grobyfox1990]

9 hours ago, Parafox said:

$1900 a month for health insurance in USA 

$23,800 pa. So about £17,500. that sounds very reasonable to me. What do you expect health care to cost?

Without doing any maths I bet we fund the nhs to the tune of about £10k pp pa and our staff are disgustingly underpaid and facilities shot to pieces 

[leicsmac]

Though, as is the case with Starmer, the option doesn't have to be charismatic or very inspiring (though as with Obama, those would be a plus).

 

The option just has to not be a sociopath enabling other sociopaths who care nothing about the future or anyone outside their "in-group".

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, grobyfox1990 said:

$23,800 pa. So about £17,500. that sounds very reasonable to me. What do you expect health care to cost?

Without doing any maths I bet we fund the nhs to the tune of about £10k pp pa and our staff are disgustingly underpaid and facilities shot to pieces 

Nothing when you've actually paid the insurance for it. That's what it's for.

 

But then in the US that's never the case, is it?

[grobyfox1990]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Though, as is the case with Starmer, the option doesn't have to be charismatic or very inspiring (though as with Obama, those would be a plus).

 

The option just has to not be a sociopath enabling other sociopaths who care nothing about the future or anyone outside their "in-group".

In this case I totally agree because the alternative is Donald trump. Like, actually, Donald trump…
But otherwise it’s a joke. These people are leaders, their job is to represent the state on the international arena, motivate their administrators to carry out their policy agenda and connect with their citizens. Lyin’ Kamala and crooked Joe woefully fail in that for me. 

[grobyfox1990]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Nothing when you've actually paid the insurance for it. That's what it's for.

 

But then in the US that's never the case, is it?

Yeh that’s true. It was mentally complex when I worked in DC

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, grobyfox1990 said:

In this case I totally agree because the alternative is Donald trump. Like, actually, Donald trump…
But otherwise it’s a joke. These people are leaders, their job is to represent the state on the international arena, motivate their administrators to carry out their policy agenda and connect with their citizens. Lyin’ Kamala and crooked Joe woefully fail in that for me. 

Yeah, the bar is properly fvcking low. But these are the times we live in.

 

Just now, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh that’s true. It was mentally complex when I worked in DC

Right. It's utterly labyrinthine. And it costs decent people money, health and sometimes life.

[brookfox]

Genuine question as I don’t know, did Trump do a good job in his last term? So on whatever metrics count; employment, economy, world relations, immigration, healthcare etc, did they perform well under his leadership? Lazily I never looked beyond him (as a buffoon at best) to consider the actual job he did.

[les-tah]

Based on nothing but gut instinct alone if Elon Musk endorses Trump and Bill Gates Endorses Biden/Harris.. i feel like i would trust Musk more and Trump is the lesser of 2 evils and better for the world. Bill Gates just seems far more super villain and dodgy to me.

[ozleicester]

14 minutes ago, les-tah said:

Based on nothing but gut instinct alone if Elon Musk endorses Trump and Bill Gates Endorses Biden/Harris.. i feel like i would trust Musk more and Trump is the lesser of 2 evils and better for the world. Bill Gates just seems far more super villain and dodgy to me.

and there we have it

[jgtuk]

1 minute ago, ozleicester said:

and there we have it

Yeah but it’s based on nothing but gut instinct… 

😂😂😂

Edited 11 October 2024 by jgtuk

[les-tah]

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[grobyfox1990]

18 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

and there we have it

Lol I can guess where your signature has come from, getting banned by responding to the fish hooks!!

[grobyfox1990]

3 minutes ago, les-tah said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Congrats Sir, impressive work. Catching a piranha with a size 32 hook on a dinghy

[Daggers]

3 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

$23,800 pa. So about £17,500. that sounds very reasonable to me. What do you expect health care to cost?

Without doing any maths I bet we fund the nhs to the tune of about £10k pp pa and our staff are disgustingly underpaid and facilities shot to pieces 

£2700 pp pa