breadandcheese Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 Stumbled upon this interesting stastistic on the football league website. According to their statistics, we have had the most shots on target and hit the woodwork most times in the league. For the sake of a natural goalscorer and a bit of luck, we could be much higher up the league, possibly challenging for playoffs. The Football League: Highest shots on target Despite our league form, I am quite happy with City and the way the team is improving under Levein. We are playing much better football, have the makings for a good backbone to the side and I think with one or two more additions, we will be a force in this league. Craig Levein's blue and white army.
Durnerz Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 Stumbled upon this interesting stastistic on the football league website. According to their statistics, we have had the most shots on target and hit the woodwork most times in the league. For the sake of a natural goalscorer and a bit of luck, we could be much higher up the league, possibly challenging for playoffs. The Football League: Highest shots on target Despite our league form, I am quite happy with City and the way the team is improving under Levein. We are playing much better football, have the makings for a good backbone to the side and I think with one or two more additions, we will be a force in this league. Craig Levein's blue and white army. In flashes we look like a team who could quite comfortably top of the league however we seem to make some of the worst mistakes possible that let us down and lead us to where we are now. Had we kept Walker and Gillespie I think we'd be a lot better off this season.
l444ry Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 And if my Auntie was a man she'd be my Uncle. The only statistic that counts is the League Table position. No such thing as bad luck.....you make your own.
davieG Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 In flashes we look like a team who could quite comfortably top of the league however we seem to make some of the worst mistakes possible that let us down and lead us to where we are now. Had we kept Walker and Gillespie I think we'd be a lot better off this season. But Broke!
breadandcheese Posted 18 December 2005 Author Posted 18 December 2005 And if my Auntie was a woman she'd be my Uncle. The only statistic that counts is the League Table position. No such thing as bad luck.....you make your own. Interesting family you have. Undoubtedly the league table is all that matters, but these other statistics help us to build up a picture of where our team is going wrong and who/how we can improve. In having all these shots, we must question the ability of the shooting and look at that. Interestingly, Sylla, for all his laziness still has the highest number of assists, so I wonder what is happening with the rest of the midfielders and the effectiveness of their passes. Either way, I'm still pretty sure we're moving in the right direction and as Dunerz said, it's the mistakes that are beating us, rather than opponents.
Syko Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 whilst looking at that joey has had most of our shots and hit the woodwork 6 times!
ithuriel Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 looking at statistics shows one major problem up quite easily. opposition teams have less shots on target but score. why? poor goalkeeper springs to mind.
l444ry Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 looking at statistics shows one major problem up quite easily. opposition teams have less shots on target but score. why? poor goalkeeper springs to mind. Exactly...there's lies, damned lies and Statistics. You can make them mean anything. And already everybody is putting their own reading into them. Interesting issue brought up though.
Leicester_Mad Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 we have hit the bar 13 times, Joey hitting the bar 6 of them 13 times. Now thats unlucky
l444ry Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 we have hit the bar 13 times, Joey hitting the bar 6 of them 13 times. Now thats unlucky But hitting the bar is NOT scoring though, so it's all irrelevant. Hitting the woodwork is a MISS. It won't be long before someone says that Leicester have had the ball nearly over the goal line more than any other side. Statistics are only used as a smokescreen for the real facts. I bet 7 years ago Wimbledon would have been top of the shots, corners, crosses charts.....and then everybody would be moaning about the style of play. I can't help but repeat that the League Table never lies.
Leicester_Mad Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 But hitting the bar is NOT scoring though, so it's all irrelevant. Hitting the woodwork is a MISS. It won't be long before someone says that Leicester have had the ball nearly over the goal line more than any other side. Statistics are only used as a smokescreen for the real facts. I bet 7 years ago Wimbledon would have been top of the shots, corners, crosses charts.....and then everybody would be moaning about the style of play. I can't help but repeat that the League Table never lies. really? shit i was counting them
Head Honcho Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 we have hit the bar 13 times, Joey hitting the bar 6 of them 13 times. Now thats unlucky You might as well've hit the corner post then the crossbar. It's a miss, no goal, nada, nothing,zilch, we didn't score!! Capiche
The People's Hero Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 And if my Auntie was a woman she'd be my Uncle. The only statistic that counts is the League Table position. No such thing as bad luck.....you make your own. Absolutely correct and well done for having the bollocks to say it. I've said the same and been shot down for being anti-Levein and therefore wrong. Half the people on here see Levein as the messiah. 18th in the Championship and the man can do no wrong!
Leicester_Mad Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 You might as well've hit the corner post then the crossbar. It's a miss, no goal, nada, nothing,zilch, we didn't score!! Capiche jesus i make a comment - not stating that hitting the bar was a goal and i get 2 smart ****s telling me that it doesnt go in we'll have to stop applauding shots on target now if it doesnt go in it might as well have not been hit
l444ry Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 jesus i make a comment - not stating that hitting the bar was a goal and i get 2 smart ****s telling me that it doesnt go in we'll have to stop applauding shots on target now if it doesnt go in it might as well have not been hit Don't get so touchy mate. My comment was in response to breadandcheese's original post, which you seemed to agree with anyway.
Head Honcho Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 jesus i make a comment - not stating that hitting the bar was a goal and i get 2 smart ****s telling me that it doesnt go in we'll have to stop applauding shots on target now if it doesnt go in it might as well have not been hit ..............and my comments are only highlighting what a load of bollox statistics are, when the only statistic that really matters is number of points we have! Apologies for any offence taken
Thracian Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 Absolutely correct and well done for having the bollocks to say it. I've said the same and been shot down for being anti-Levein and therefore wrong. Half the people on here see Levein as the messiah. 18th in the Championship and the man can do no wrong! I was at the end of my tether after the Preston and Burnley games because of Levein's dire negativity but I think if you could see how they're playing now by comparison you might be inclined to let the guy carryon, continue his further rebuilding in January and see whether he assembles a team which will challenge for honours next season. It was always the most realistic likelihood. It's just that a few will retain hope of something good happening this season until it is mathematically impossible... and why not? Football fans exist on hope much of the time and right now that hope is being smothered by frustration. The jigsaw needs a few more pieces and the players need the lasting confidence that comes with winning.
Head Honcho Posted 18 December 2005 Posted 18 December 2005 I was at the end of my tether after the Preston and Burnley games because of Levein's dire negativity but I think if you could see how they're playing now by comparison you might be inclined to let the guy carryon, continue his further rebuilding in January and see whether he assembles a team which will challenge for honours next season. It was always the most realistic likelihood. It's just that a few will retain hope of something good happening this season until it is mathematically impossible... and why not? Football fans exist on hope much of the time and right now that hope is being smothered by frustration. The jigsaw needs a few more pieces and the players need the lasting confidence that comes with winning. CL is getting the same kind of support and comments we used to give David Pleat and I get this sense of Deja Vu regarding the outcome!
Chrysalis Posted 19 December 2005 Posted 19 December 2005 that table is just highlighting the fact we cannot turn dominance into results and doesnt prove anything. We are fast becoming a forest and playing like the brazil of this league but in real danger of relegation.
Ultra Posted 19 December 2005 Posted 19 December 2005 CL is getting the same kind of support and comments we used to give David Pleat and I get this sense of Deja Vu regarding the outcome! Spot on! I suspect most of the Levein loyalists are too young to remember the Pleat years. Then, as now, we had a bunch of talented but under-achieving players, who would occasionally produce qulity performances against the division's top teams, but also fail dismally against the lesser lights. And then, as now, we were chronically incapable of putting any form of winning run together. We also had the apologists urging us to "give him time", and we ended up avoiding the drop to Div. 3 by the skin of our teeth. I hope the board have the courage to act if the danger of relegation is still with us in a couple of months. The manager must start delivering the results, otherwise the attendances will fall still further. In our financialsituation, we really cannot afford to let customers walk away.
Michael Doyle Posted 19 December 2005 Posted 19 December 2005 I44ry and the Peoples hero's I think your looking for the quick fix. Look at Wegner one of the best squads in the world and they are nowhere near where they should be. Of course in LCFC case it doesn't mean that we like it or want to be as low as we are but it does mean that we need to develop a squad of players as we cant just go out and buy them. Unfortunately its not like a Christmas Cracker where you pull something and get a gift immediately. Its like Thracian said because LCFC are improving (all be it not as fast as you would like) you should give CL a chance. I am of the view that its pointless getting rid of the manager only to put someone else in the same position as what the current person is in. After all he will not have money to spend on a quick fix. As DavidG said we would be skint if we hadn't off loaded Walker and others. Lets not forget we nearly went under a few years ago, we have no money in the bank, we had players who couldn't play in a conference league game on Premiership salaries, a new stadium, and a club about to go into cyber space. Sorry guys whilst I HATE to say it there is no quick fix and the road is going to be rather rocky. (But WE WILL survive, revive and relive the good old days again) Oh Ultra I can clearly remember Pleats days, who could forget them. I can also remember O Neills early days and the call from LCFC fans for his head to roll early into his reign at Filbert Street. I don't suggest for one moment that Levein is as good as O Neill but if we had got rid of O Neill we would probably be bobbing up and down the Championship, challenging for play offs, playing at Filbert Street and having no memories of the great experiences at Wembley, Europe, savage and Izzett and the likes. We had a great run until the board employed an incapable manager called Ta@#$r. If you want to look back at terrible managers you certainly don't have to go back to Pleats time. God knows we are all still trying to get over the appalling efforts of just one man. It frustrates me as much as it does you that we cant beat Crew at home even with Ten men but at least we know the current crop of players are not over rated, over paid want to be`s unlike the pathetic group of players Ta@#$r put together who drained the club of every penny it had and put the club back 25 years. Remember THE FUTURE IS ALL OURS COME ON THE MIGHTY FOXES MadMick
l444ry Posted 19 December 2005 Posted 19 December 2005 I44ry and the Peoples hero's I think your looking for the quick fix. Look at Wegner one of the best squads in the world and they are nowhere near where they should be. Of course in LCFC case it doesn't mean that we like it or want to be as low as we are but it does mean that we need to develop a squad of players as we cant just go out and buy them. Unfortunately its not like a Christmas Cracker where you pull something and get a gift immediately. Its like Thracian said because LCFC are improving (all be it not as fast as you would like) you should give CL a chance. I am of the view that its pointless getting rid of the manager only to put someone else in the same position as what the current person is in. After all he will not have money to spend on a quick fix. As DavidG said we would be skint if we hadn't off loaded Walker and others. Lets not forget we nearly went under a few years ago, we have no money in the bank, we had players who couldn't play in a conference league game on Premiership salaries, a new stadium, and a club about to go into cyber space. Sorry guys whilst I HATE to say it there is no quick fix and the road is going to be rather rocky. (But WE WILL survive, revive and relive the good old days again) Oh Ultra I can clearly remember Pleats days, who could forget them. I can also remember O Neills early days and the call from LCFC fans for his head to roll early into his reign at Filbert Street. I don't suggest for one moment that Levein is as good as O Neill but if we had got rid of O Neill we would probably be bobbing up and down the Championship, challenging for play offs, playing at Filbert Street and having no memories of the great experiences at Wembley, Europe, savage and Izzett and the likes. We had a great run until the board employed an incapable manager called Ta@#$r. If you want to look back at terrible managers you certainly don't have to go back to Pleats time. God knows we are all still trying to get over the appalling efforts of just one man. It frustrates me as much as it does you that we cant beat Crew at home even with Ten men but at least we know the current crop of players are not over rated, over paid want to be`s unlike the pathetic group of players Ta@#$r put together who drained the club of every penny it had and put the club back 25 years. Remember THE FUTURE IS ALL OURS COME ON THE MIGHTY FOXES MadMick Absolutely Mike. Can't disagree with a lot of what you say. Arsene Wenger isn't a very good example though. His overall track record at Arsenal is second to none. With Craig Levein it's been downhill all the way. Also, just like to point out though that if the Club had sacked Taylor earlier, then all you described might not have happened. Certainly not the reckless waste of money anyway. I fear this will all end in tears. Craig Levein IS like Taylor and Pleat. Shame really because he's a likeable man.
Guest Posted 19 December 2005 Posted 19 December 2005 No such thing as bad luck.....you make your own. That's one of my philosophies. All these stats do is make people think 'what if....' and 'only if....'. The problem is that the only stats that count are goals for and goals against. We currently have too many of one, and not enough of the other.
wirralsimon Posted 19 December 2005 Posted 19 December 2005 In flashes we look like a team who could quite comfortably top of the league however we seem to make some of the worst mistakes possible that let us down and lead us to where we are now. Had we kept Walker and Gillespie I think we'd be a lot better off this season. It's posts like this that make me realise the anti-CL brigade still havent't got it yet. Gillespie and Walker were on big contracts, awarded by Peter Taylor and Micky Adams. They would have wanted their current salaries or something very close to stay, which would have meant spending a third the wage bill on just 2 players who are past their peak. Gillespie is outrageouly talented but can go missing for weeks at a time, we need consistency for that kind of money. Keeping them was not an option for CL or any other manager we may have recruited, so slagging him off for letting them go is pointless. Simon
Michael Doyle Posted 19 December 2005 Posted 19 December 2005 Thanks I444ry. The Wegner example was in the context that, at times, fans expectation is much higher than what can practically be delivered. In some cases I thik the fans at the City have a higher expectation than what can be delivered in such a short time. (I agree with you in regard Wegner and love watching Arsenal play they are truly a great team) (prefer to watch the mighty LCFC on any day though) I cant agree with your comment regarding CL being downhill all the way and I give my reason. CL has inherited a circumstance where he HAD to off load his better players. Of course Leicester are not playing the same as last year and that because he has HAD to get rid of players in the ilk of Walker, Bent et al It should not be a surprise to anyone that the new squad, who have played together for over 20 games are still finding out about the other players and that the team is constantly being changed by the manager. As his squad, teams and performances are showing signs of improvement this is certainly better than being on the downhill sloop. Whilst I can (at a stretch) see why you would compare CL to Pleat (although I think CL is a very good prospect at succeeding at this level) I truly wouldn't be able to put either of them in the same category as Ta@#$r. My reasons being that, Firstly, like you say he seams like a good bloke, Secondly he has demonstrated that he has a football brain and external academic intelligence, Thirdly even with limited resource the players he has purchased look like they can compete in the league they are in, Fourthly he doesn't have eggs in another basket and concentrates on LCFC solely, Fifthly CL teams are showing signs of improvements unlike any of Ta@#$rs teams ever did. You may have gathered by now that I am not a Ta@#$r fan. However I am a positive person and believe THE FUTURE IS OURS FOR THE TAKING COME ON YOU MIGHTY FOXES MadMick
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