Are we missing

[davieG]

Wesolowski as we fall back to 2 points from 9 since his injury?

One might also ask, not to do Kelly a disservice but was our short run of success more to do with Wesolowski than Kelly - no critiscism intended just food for thought?

[Benji]

Personally, i dont think you can place results all on one player, definitely the lad is missed and is a great influence, he has the ability to win or lose us a game. But i wouldn't say this ''relative dip'' is down to his absence.

[Babylon]

Of course we are missing him, but lets not go over the top. We could have beaten Derby easily had we converted our chances. That's got nothing to do with him being missing. We then held a Leeds team with only 10 men for 80+ minutes.

How many points were you expecting to get against Leeds and Ipswich? We have one more point than I thought we'd have after those two games.

[Jonbluefox9]

It's not all down to Wesolowski. We didn't beat Derby because we let our concentration slip after taking the lead and a point against Leeds was brilliant especially considering the circumstances. Today, I just don't think it was our day. It was almost the opposite to the Leeds match. Against Leeds, all of our players played so well that it was difficult to choose a man of the match but today most of the lads were average. Don't think I can single one person out in particular who played extremely badly or well. I don't think Wesolowski could have helped change the result today. It just wasn't going to happen for us.

[Master Fox]

I've said it all along, Weso is probably our best midfield player I've seen in 12 years at Leicester. Yes, better than Muzzy, Sav, Lennon, anyone!

Weso is the reason we were doing well, without him we'll struggle, let's just hope we can get enough points now stay up.

Back to earth today my fellow foxes, but we always lose to Ipswich anyway!

Vicorty over Hull is a must!!!

[davieG]

Of course we are missing him, but lets not go over the top. We could have beaten Derby easily had we converted our chances. That's got nothing to do with him being missing. We then held a Leeds team with only 10 men for 80+ minutes.

How many points were you expecting to get against Leeds and Ipswich? We have one more point than I thought we'd have after those two games.

Woa it was just a question to stimulate a bit of football conversation, no ones going over the top - please!

[Thin_King]

Woa it was just a question to stimulate a bit of football conversation, no ones going over the top - please!

We miss Wesolowski of course, he was a breath of fresh air in an otherwise clueless midfield when it comes to attacking - evidence being that there totally creativity lacking... Williams is our best midfielder when it comes to the final third, hes passing is usually immaculate and very direct and he thinks differently to other players like Gudjonnson or Hughes that always wish to feed the wings...

I beleive we can survive without him though, we have crap wingers, but some good center mids, no real creativity (which is something Weso had bags of, as well as being a solid all round player) If Smith gets back into some sort of form, maybe we should give him another chance - hes not really had the chance to forge a relationship with Hume and Fryatt, and it would be unbelievably interesting if they had created an understanding between them selves.

I'd still rather play maybury than Sylla, but Maybury isnt good enough on the wing either, maybe we can draught the loan stars in, there simply must be some bench warmers that have the talent to lift our side?

[Jonbluefox9]

We miss Wesolowski of course, he was a breath of fresh air in an otherwise clueless midfield when it comes to attacking - evidence being that there totally creativity lacking... Williams is our best midfielder when it comes to the final third, hes passing is usually immaculate and very direct and he thinks differently to other players like Gudjonnson or Hughes that always wish to feed the wings...

I beleive we can survive without him though, we have crap wingers, but some good center mids, no real creativity (which is something Weso had bags of, as well as being a solid all round player) If Smith gets back into some sort of form, maybe we should give him another chance - hes not really had the chance to forge a relationship with Hume and Fryatt, and it would be unbelievably interesting if they had created an understanding between them selves.

I'd still rather play maybury than Sylla, but Maybury isnt good enough on the wing either, maybe we can draught the loan stars in, there simply must be some bench warmers that have the talent to lift our side?

Only when it suits him though it doesn't suit him very often.

[Jimmy]

well maybe we should bring him back in, he's done well recently when he's come on, time for smith to return as well i think

[Thin_King]

well maybe we should bring him back in, he's done well recently when he's come on, time for smith to return as well i think

Agreed Not to critisize Kellys judgement but i think Gudjonnson and Hughes might be getting a but complacent, especially Gudjonnson

[Jimmy]

he probably felt he couldnt change the team as we were getting results

[Thracian]

It's a big point but not the only one.

Not reinforcing the squad is another one of many.

Consider this: Dublin, DeVries, Wesolowski, Douglas, Stearman (ankle), Tiatto (hamstring now knee), Sheehan, are all out or carrying knocks.

Then there is Henderson, Hamill, Sylla who are not good enough which makes 10 frontline players either gone, injured or who shouldn't be in the team from our main squad.

And who do we bring into the club? Non player Ray Graydon whatever he's for.

The shortage of numbers problem has been apparent and getting worse since Levein's departure and it should have been addressed.

Most of the other problems are ones we've had all season and they're not going to disappear because Levein and Kelly are clearly like twins in much of their thinking and it just depresses me to bang my head on such unyielding walls.

[Anish]

Thrac I bet you were licking your lips after this defeat, so you could recommence your slating of Kelly once more. After all, what you and BartonFox (no doubt he'll appear from his woodwork again now) said about Kelly was nothing short of scandalous after his first match v Southampton.

Kelly has done a remarkable job just to take us out of the relegation zone, yet after one defeat you've all but discredited his credentials.

People like you and Barton irritate me no end because you think football is so easy and the way you talk it seems like you could do a better job. The fact of the matter is- irrespective of all your beliefs and ideologies - football is not a game that can be pre-planned and calculated like you seem to believe. Ordering the team to play slick passing attacking football is all well and good on websites and forums like this, where you seem to think it's a simple matter of telling players what to do and how to play, and they'll do it to perfection. It doesn't work out like that in practice.

Face it, even Mourinho, Ferguson and Benitez lose games now and again. Hell, look at Arsenal this season and Wenger's lost more games this season than 2 seasons put together. That doesn't make them bad managers.

Rob Kelly and the players had ONE off day today/yesterday. Give him a break considering what he's achieved so far. Face it Thrac, even you would not win every game if you were Leicester City manager, so get off your high horse and get a grip of reality.

[Matt]

One player doesn't make a team but I think Wesolowski is a major part of the jigsaw missing.

[Babylon]

It's a big point but not the only one.

Not reinforcing the squad is another one of many.

Consider this: Dublin, DeVries, Wesolowski, Douglas, Stearman (ankle), Tiatto (hamstring now knee), Sheehan, are all out or carrying knocks.

Then there is Henderson, Hamill, Sylla who are not good enough which makes 10 frontline players either gone, injured or who shouldn't be in the team from our main squad.

And who do we bring into the club? Non player Ray Graydon whatever he's for.

The shortage of numbers problem has been apparent and getting worse since Levein's departure and it should have been addressed.

Most of the other problems are ones we've had all season and they're not going to disappear because Levein and Kelly are clearly like twins in much of their thinking and it just depresses me to bang my head on such unyielding walls.

Quick hang him, Kelly out.

Your comments each week are as reactionary as they get. Lose a game and he's carp, win a few and he's a breath of fresh air. Lose again and he's a Levein twin.

[Thracian]

Quick hang him, Kelly out.

Your comments each week are as reactionary as they get. Lose a game and he's carp, win a few and he's a breath of fresh air. Lose again and he's a Levein twin.

That's me as a football fan I guess. I just live it and feel it as it happens.

Liking Kelly as a bloke doesn't change but as a manager it seems as if he will frustrate me as much as so many others.

He's "fresh air" because he's restored team spirit and a happy atmosphere to the place but, Derby apart, his teams have hardly been exhilerating to watch.

On the one hand he talks about belief and on the other hand he goes into the Ipswich game with no intention of actually attacking it. He only hoped to pinch a win.

I suppose I live in hope that one day we'll have a manager who really does have the conviction and the courage to say and mean "it's about us" and puts a side out that expresses that message in great big capital letters.

In my 48 years as a fan we've only had two such managers, Matt Gilles and Martin O'Neill.

I'm grateful to Kelly for what he has done and realise that the fans love him but I didn't understand the logic of his approach yesterday and in some ways his teams are more Leveinist than Leveins with the four harriers in midfield.

It spoils the game as a spectacle. Indeed the guy I like most at Leicester just now is Steve Beaglehole because he is forever urging his team forward, cajoling them into doing the right things and he always plays with proper width and genuine attacking full-backs. Beaglehole games are invariably entertaining and I look forward to every one.

There was no need for such a negative approach at Ipswich. We've tried that loads of times in the 18 years of misery we've had at Portman Road and it's never worked. We're eight points away from relegation now and it was an ideal chance to have a go especially with us having McCarthy out and therefore no chance of a clean sheet.

Sadly Kelly's football philosophy, though fairly successful so far, seems as blinkered and immovable as Levein's.

He might talk about trying to win the games but it just isn't in his nature to really attack them.

He's not the only one by any means. Football is crammed full of cautious managers who are squeezing the thrill out of football.

There was excuse for it when we were in the bottom three, but not now.

Anyway, that's how I feel. I'm an emotive football fan. Winning and losing affects my whole demeanour and that hasn't changed as player, coach, manager, supporter since I was eight years old.

On bad days like yesterday I would love to have your stoicism.

Instead it will take me two or three days to get over my frustration but I'll be there next week, totally supportive and full of probably misplaced optimism again that the game will be played as it should be.

[Ultra]

Yesterday we missed McCarthy more.

To concede one goal on a setpiece was a misfortune, but conceding two was pure carelessness.

But we had enough chances, especially in the first half, to have clinched at least a point.

However, Joe Royle knows what our weaknesses are (even with Macca in the side) and exploited them.

The manner of the defeat raises doubts as to whether Rob Kelly is a realistic long-term option as a manager of the FOXES.

We need to bounce back against Hull. And at least we shouldn't have to worry about a lack of atmosphere next week!

[Thracian]

Thrac I bet you were licking your lips after this defeat, so you could recommence your slating of Kelly once more. After all, what you and BartonFox (no doubt he'll appear from his woodwork again now) said about Kelly was nothing short of scandalous after his first match v Southampton.

Kelly has done a remarkable job just to take us out of the relegation zone, yet after one defeat you've all but discredited his credentials.

People like you and Barton irritate me no end because you think football is so easy and the way you talk it seems like you could do a better job. The fact of the matter is- irrespective of all your beliefs and ideologies - football is not a game that can be pre-planned and calculated like you seem to believe. Ordering the team to play slick passing attacking football is all well and good on websites and forums like this, where you seem to think it's a simple matter of telling players what to do and how to play, and they'll do it to perfection. It doesn't work out like that in practice.

Face it, even Mourinho, Ferguson and Benitez lose games now and again. Hell, look at Arsenal this season and Wenger's lost more games this season than 2 seasons put together. That doesn't make them bad managers.

Rob Kelly and the players had ONE off day today/yesterday. Give him a break considering what he's achieved so far. Face it Thrac, even you would not win every game if you were Leicester City manager, so get off your high horse and get a grip of reality.

"One off day" - what about Southampton then. Ipswich wasn't a one-off day, Ipswich was the result of how Kelly elected to approach the game. He tried to smother the opposition and pinch a win instead of going for the throat and trying to take the pressure off his weakened defence.

But that said, if you think I get one iota of pleasure from Leicester losing or from Rob Kelly or any other manager doing badly then you quite obviously don't have a clue how I think. Your other comments about managing also indicate that you know nothing about me whatsoever.

Of course I am pleased and grateful that Kelly has lifted us out of the relegation zone (and have said so in several sizeable articles that have gone out all over the country, or is that not enough?). But, the team should never have been there in the first place and he played a part in that or had you forgotten?.

What I would like to see now is some indication that we are going to fashion a team for the future. It certainly wasn't there against Ipswich and if you think I'm going to praise that sort of approach you're going to be disappointed.

[Babylon]

Heaven help whoever takes over. He hasn't got a chance.

[Thracian]

Heaven help whoever takes over. He hasn't got a chance.

Of course he has

a) Martin O'Neill and Matt Gillies did well enough.

b) Neither your opinion nor mine really matters in the wider picture (except collectively).

[Babylon]

Of course he has

a) Martin O'Neill and Matt Gillies did well enough.

b) Neither your opinion nor mine really matters in the wider picture (except collectively).

So you didn't mind Martin Oneil's defensive tactics when we were winning things with them?

I'm giving Kelly to the end of the season before I give my opinion. But If he carries on the way things have gone he gets my vote.

[Anish]

It spoils the game as a spectacle. Indeed the guy I like most at Leicester just now is Steve Beaglehole because he is forever urging his team forward, cajoling them into doing the right things and he always plays with proper width and genuine attacking full-backs. Beaglehole games are invariably entertaining and I look forward to every one.

I've highlighted this comment because it shows that there is a world of difference between academy/reserve football and 1st team Championship standard.

It's all well and good playing attacking football with natural wingers at academy/reserve level, because there is nothing to play for. As far as I can see our reserve team results have been pretty disappointing on the whole - so it just shows that Beaglehole's stlye of football might be entertaining but it's not very successful.

Of course Beaglehole will instruct his team to attack and play nice football - if they lose it doesn't matter. Points count for nothing in the reserves. There's not the pressure of the fans or the financial repurcussions of losing to consider.

I'd rather have Kelly who's proved he can win a few games (albeit not Brazilesque) than have somebody going hell for leather and losing.

[Ajax Treesdown]

We need some loan players. A good defender, a midfield general and a tall strong striker.

[Milky]

We need some loan players. A good defender, a midfield general and a tall strong striker.

any suggestions? that may be the case but we actually have to find some that are available and good enough!

[Bilko]

That's me as a football fan I guess. I just live it and feel it as it happens.

Liking Kelly as a bloke doesn't change but as a manager it seems as if he will frustrate me as much as so many others.

He's "fresh air" because he's restored team spirit and a happy atmosphere to the place but, Derby apart, his teams have hardly been exhilerating to watch.

On the one hand he talks about belief and on the other hand he goes into the Ipswich game with no intention of actually attacking it. He only hoped to pinch a win.

I suppose I live in hope that one day we'll have a manager who really does have the conviction and the courage to say and mean "it's about us" and puts a side out that expresses that message in great big capital letters.

In my 48 years as a fan we've only had two such managers, Matt Gilles and Martin O'Neill.

I'm grateful to Kelly for what he has done and realise that the fans love him but I didn't understand the logic of his approach yesterday and in some ways his teams are more Leveinist than Leveins with the four harriers in midfield.

It spoils the game as a spectacle. Indeed the guy I like most at Leicester just now is Steve Beaglehole because he is forever urging his team forward, cajoling them into doing the right things and he always plays with proper width and genuine attacking full-backs. Beaglehole games are invariably entertaining and I look forward to every one.

There was no need for such a negative approach at Ipswich. We've tried that loads of times in the 18 years of misery we've had at Portman Road and it's never worked. We're eight points away from relegation now and it was an ideal chance to have a go especially with us having McCarthy out and therefore no chance of a clean sheet.

Sadly Kelly's football philosophy, though fairly successful so far, seems as blinkered and immovable as Levein's.

He might talk about trying to win the games but it just isn't in his nature to really attack them.

He's not the only one by any means. Football is crammed full of cautious managers who are squeezing the thrill out of football.

There was excuse for it when we were in the bottom three, but not now.

Anyway, that's how I feel. I'm an emotive football fan. Winning and losing affects my whole demeanour and that hasn't changed as player, coach, manager, supporter since I was eight years old.

On bad days like yesterday I would love to have your stoicism.

Instead it will take me two or three days to get over my frustration but I'll be there next week, totally supportive and full of probably misplaced optimistic again that the game will be played as it should be.

Thrac

Your comment about Gilles and O'Neill l agree with but surely Bloomfield's teams 'went for it' and played some of the most stylish football seen at old Filbo (and elsewhere). In fact it could be argued that had they not been so cavalier we might have won something!