Lineker's Left Foot Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Again reading about the state of our nations 'pathetic stance on crime', I personally believe we need an overhaul of our justice system because after reading this morning's Daily Mail Newspaper, there is a story about a gentleman who wrote into his local authority with regards to making jail sentences tougher and has subsequently been kicked to death by a gang!! Well what has happened to this country? I AM FED UP of the victims of crime getting no support, whereas psychologists etc bend over backwards to help the criminals of society. I advocate capitalist punishment and am proud to do so for certain cases. I AM FED UP with 'do-gooders' in Society with their pathetic liberal views - I have worked in a prison and the Criminals are laughing at good citizens. It gets so annoying that I wish that all the problems would happen to 'do-gooders' - THEY WOULD SOON CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDES!! What is everyone else's views on crime in this country???
Dr The Singh Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Again reading about the state of our nations 'pathetic stance on crime', I personally believe we need an overhaul of our justice system because after reading this morning's Daily Mail Newspaper, there is a story about a gentleman who wrote into his local authority with regards to making jail sentences tougher and has subsequently been kicked to death by a gang!! Well what has happened to this country? I AM FED UP of the victims of crime getting no support, whereas psychologists etc bend over backwards to help the criminals of society. I advocate capitalist punishment and am proud to do so for certain cases. I AM FED UP with 'do-gooders' in Society with their pathetic liberal views - I have worked in a prison and the Criminals are laughing at good citizens. It gets so annoying that I wish that all the problems would happen to 'do-gooders' - THEY WOULD SOON CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDES!! What is everyone else's views on crime in this country??? Your not the only one fed up, trust me!!! Our country seems to have got itself in a mess, so called experts, psycholigist\sociailogist etc had led to the government to put emphasis on the root\causes of crime and look upon that sympathetically. The government does what it does best, wastes money on it. This for me has led to a very softly softly touch on criminals ie....'aaaahhh poor kid bought up in poverty etc, let's be nice and rehabilitate him by taking him on holiday' For me 'generally' the root of crime is parenting, I was bought up on a shoe string but I didn't resort to crime, so poverty is abit lame in my opinion. The kids\youths that were criminals were still respectful of others and had boundaries, the youths\kids now have no boundaries at all. I remember there parents finding out there mischiefs and would grab em by the ear and drag them home, I see kids aged under 12 on the streets past midnight, this cannot be a good thing. I have written in previous post about how soft prisons are compared to other countries, bring back hard labour, harsh conditions, rather then good food and sky tv!!! Victim support!!! What is victim support, we had a incident where i live where our next door neighboor, who is an old lady, was mugged in her home, the police came around 2 days later and social services were never to be seen, me and the mrs supported her, the poor old lady is too scared to leave her home!!!
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 13 April 2006 Author Posted 13 April 2006 Thanks for your reply 'The Singh'. I think my post was harsh, but I just want to see some justice. I am now a teacher and say at first hand that yes bad parenting can cause a problem and poverty, but when criminals have even admitted that 'crime pays', then yes something needs to be done. I am envious of the Asian Community because one thing it teaches in comparison to ours is 'respect'. I am proud to live in a multicultural Britain and am scared that if certain things with regards to crime get worse, then more extreme parties come to the fore. Cheers for a decent reply
Rincewind Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 I don't think that bloke was kicked to death because he wrote to the paper. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The perpetrators were a gang of thugs out late at night looking for somebody to rob and went too far. I am not making excuses for their actions and I hope they are locked up and the key thrown away but The Mail is well known for exaggeration on headline stories and compared to several other countries England/UK is relatively safe. I can understand the anger felt when criminals appear to get preferential treatment but it's the same rules that apply to someone that is wrongly accused of a crime. Unfortunately these rules are abused by the guilty. So we can have a system where everyone has the right to a fair trial, the right to appeal and the right to legal representative or we can have a system where somebody points an accusing finger and the accused is thrown into an overcrowded prison and tried convicted and sentenced with no right of defence.
Guest Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 There is a huge attitude problem in this country. People want everything, but don't want to have to work to get it. Whether it's a cop out, or whether it's because they don't like to see others having more than them, whatever, people resort to crime. Like The Singh, parenting is a huge issue. When I was a kid (not that long ago...) I wasn't allowed to do anything, say anything etc. For example pubs. When I was young, you could only take your kids to pubs with beer gardens and/or family rooms. If there was no garden, you'd have to sit quietly sucking on your Vimto. Now kids are allowed anywhere, and they run around regardless of other people who might want a quiet drink. The worst thing is, the parents are my generation. What the hell has changed? Selfishness. That's what. It's this "I'm alight Jack" attitude that's part of the problem. And that's just for starters.
Dr The Singh Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Thanks for your reply 'The Singh'. I think my post was harsh, but I just want to see some justice. I am now a teacher and say at first hand that yes bad parenting can cause a problem and poverty, but when criminals have even admitted that 'crime pays', then yes something needs to be done. I am envious of the Asian Community because one thing it teaches in comparison to ours is 'respect'. I am proud to live in a multicultural Britain and am scared that if certain things with regards to crime get worse, then more extreme parties come to the fore. Cheers for a decent reply Thanks for the compliment, for me I have seen a rapid degradation of society, not just the white community, in all communities, the youth lack respect, and schools are helpless. The 'bad boy' image is one that the youths want to emmulate and is popular, this is duo to the media, music and icons and the general lack of descipline and control by peers and family. For me crime is a easy way of making money, it's very difficult to go school or work and work long hours and earn money, it's very easy to relax, live offf the state and make cash as and when you want, and if you get caught, you go inside, learn a few more tricks and watch sky tv!!! I can remember when i was younger that if a crminal walked down our neighborhood, he would be scorned at and tutted at, the criminal would walk in shame, now nobody cares, there is no such thing as neighborhoods, everyone lives only for themselves!! Yep, your right as society gets worse, the more extreme it gets and more it divides!!
Ric Flair Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Watch Battle Royale, that would sort the youth of today out.
Phube Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 The problem is some kids today just don't care about anything the 'Am I Bovered' crowd, you can't punish them because you can't take away anything they care about!! The trouble is if you do or say anything, your the one who cares about things i.e. family, friend, home, car etc. thing you, your parent and I work hard to buy. They can take them away or damage them just like that with no regard for any thing!!! P.s. I'm up for the Battle Royale solution!!
Steven Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Legalise all drugs in a controlled fashion (including alcohol and baccy in that regime) and divert resources that will become free following the fall in crime as a result of that action into more Policemen/women on the street and Bob's your uncle. Secondly it is too easy to get a criminal record nowadays so the shock benefit has largely gone. Finally as Lisa the Babe has said before it is all about attitudes so start working on those.
Thracian Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Thanks for the compliment, for me I have seen a rapid degradation of society, not just the white community, in all communities, the youth lack respect, and schools are helpless. The 'bad boy' image is one that the youths want to emmulate and is popular, this is duo to the media, music and icons and the general lack of descipline and control by peers and family. For me crime is a easy way of making money, it's very difficult to go school or work and work long hours and earn money, it's very easy to relax, live offf the state and make cash as and when you want, and if you get caught, you go inside, learn a few more tricks and watch sky tv!!! I can remember when i was younger that if a crminal walked down our neighborhood, he would be scorned at and tutted at, the criminal would walk in shame, now nobody cares, there is no such thing as neighborhoods, everyone lives only for themselves!! Yep, your right as society gets worse, the more extreme it gets and more it divides!! The biggest breakdown has been the erosion of real family life, so wilfully encouraged by this massive own goal we call a Government and its social manipulators. The more I read the more pleased I am that my youngest son didn't go to school and grew up with a mind of his own.
billabob Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 reading this morning's Daily Mail Newspaper Theres your first problem!, that newspaper is so bias and spurts out such crap no wonder you think how you do! dont get me wrong crime is still an issue but the media, and the daily mail in paticular, all pin point crime as this major thing and thus the public get misinformed. I study sociology and its just negitive media on crime so that "society" band together against the "common evil". In reality crime is an issue yes but lets be honest here, how many people do you know that have been raped, murdered, had there house broken into? and even if the answer is 1 or more as in my case, how many times did the police do nothing? answer for me - never. The police are doing a job based on the resources available to them, point is theres just not enough of them to stop every single criminal, if its piss's you off so much then why not join the police force and be part of the solution?
Guest Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Finally as Lisa the Babe has said before it is all about attitudes so start working on those. The schools would like to, but parent power has meant that they can't do a sodding thing. Any form of discipline has been eradicated, and nowadays many kids have no respect. Is it any wonder when the parents have none? It's a shame for the hard-working honest people in our society.
Dr The Singh Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Theres your first problem!, that newspaper is so bias and spurts out such crap no wonder you think how you do! dont get me wrong crime is still an issue but the media, and the daily mail in paticular, all pin point crime as this major thing and thus the public get misinformed. I study sociology and its just negitive media on crime so that "society" band together against the "common evil". In reality crime is an issue yes but lets be honest here, how many people do you know that have been raped, murdered, had there house broken into? and even if the answer is 1 or more as in my case, how many times did the police do nothing? answer for me - never. The police are doing a job based on the resources available to them, point is theres just not enough of them to stop every single criminal, if its piss's you off so much then why not join the police force and be part of the solution? Understand your point, and agree about the Daily mail, but as far as i'm concerned i have noticed an issue which the government are trying to address!!! Over the last few years society as a whole has become worse, inparticular the youth of today, that's why the governmant have had this 'respect' campaign and ASBO's. This lack of 'respect' will bring a whole new generation of criminals, which they invariably be worse then the previous one. Most people don't witness murders etc but everyday crime can still drive fear into families etc for which there is very little support. The police etc are underfunded, overworked and I don't think anybody can have ago at them, but 'everyday' crime is tended to be seen as minor but tell that to the victim. Like I said in previous posts, it stems from the family and upbringing, but lack of powers to school, slack laws and punishment also add to the issue. It does piss me off but I don't think joining the police force would be a major part of the solution, the solution starts from home, parents need to be more aware of there responsibilities and be encouraged to tender the children and shown the positives of a good upbringing!!!
Thracian Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Theres your first problem!, that newspaper is so bias and spurts out such crap no wonder you think how you do! dont get me wrong crime is still an issue but the media, and the daily mail in paticular, all pin point crime as this major thing and thus the public get misinformed. I study sociology and its just negitive media on crime so that "society" band together against the "common evil". In reality crime is an issue yes but lets be honest here, how many people do you know that have been raped, murdered, had there house broken into? and even if the answer is 1 or more as in my case, how many times did the police do nothing? answer for me - never. The police are doing a job based on the resources available to them, point is theres just not enough of them to stop every single criminal, if its piss's you off so much then why not join the police force and be part of the solution? Just to take a recent example was it not policemen who shot an innocent (supposed) terrorist in public and then appeared to be less than frank in their accounting of the matter...one of the ways the public really get "misinformed" of course. In fact, when we have a PM who is a master of misinformation what else would you expect?. If you believe what you've written then if I were Lineker's left foot I'd probably stick to the Mail. But I'm curious to know which newspaper you read that is so unbiased? The Guardian maybe?
billabob Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 I'm curious to know which newspaper you read that is so unbiased? The Guardian maybe? i dont read newspapers that often, if i read a newspaper it can be nething from the Times and the Independent to the Daily mail, take anything i read in newspapers with a pinch of salt. To get the news i usually check the google news, the BBC, Sky news etc . . . . i dont belive everythig i read or hear as thats quite a dangerous thing to do, instead if im really bothered by it i research the topic more.
Rincewind Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 I agree the problems mentioned are a lot to do with parenting. Even I, some-one who vowed never to say things 'old people' say find myself saying 'things were not like this in my day' I then wake up and look at the bigger picture. When I was young, in fact all through my school years I never knew of my mother taking a job despite scrimping and saving every week. In fact it wasn't until the early seventies after my dad died that she went out the house, took work at a local WMC found a bloke who knew how to mash a pot of tea and wash a dirty cup and remarried. In the early days after WW2 and the 50's it wasn't the 'done thing' for women to be anything other than housewives who would be happy raising the family while the husband was the breadwinner allowing her any money left over after beer, fags and betting as housekeeping. Things have changed haven't they. Both parents out to work, two cars, video, PC/TV in every room inside loo and holidays to the Costa Brava twice a year. What more could children of today want? Err, parents maybe? someone who can listen to problems when they arise, someone who can put loving arms around them when schoolwork is getting on top of them and assure them everything will be OK, someone to tell them why it is wrong to do certain things and someone to read them bedtime stories. No doubt there are a lot of parents who still do this but I bet a lot of the children who do get into trouble do not have this kind of family life. Now to crime. 'When I was a teenager in the 50's the milkman used to go through the front door pick up his tokens/money and go back out again' is something a mate of mine often says So there were no burglaries. For a start there were no PCs Dvds or numourous other things that burglars target. There was the odd TV but it would be the type that had a 10" screen and came with a cabinet weighing 2 ton.. There was still crime about but there were also fewer people so the thief/victim ratio reflected this. Muggings were fewer I accept but in communities where everyone knew everyone the culprits would be easily identified. The local bobby who knew the names of kids who were likely to be a little 'naughty' helped as well. Summing up because I've rambled enough and if I write much more it'll be ignored, better parenting is indeed needed, even if lessons have to be introduced at school. Better communication between teachers and parents and any problems that arise should be discussed and worked out. More support should be made available for victims of crime with greater powers for compensation of the perpetrates. And that should solve everything. Euthanasia for all prisoners would work too but some may feel that is too extreme. End of speech.
Guest Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 In fact, when we have a PM who is a master of misinformation what else would you expect?. You're very quick to blame Honest Tone for all the evils in this land. However, he's not the cause, not in my opinion. Attitudes, lack of respect and all that started before New Labour. Do you not remember Loadsamoney? People today make him look like a philanthropist!The current executive are not doing anything to remedy or help the situation, but this is not their baby.
The People's Hero Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 There is a huge attitude problem in this country. People want everything, but don't want to have to work to get it. Whether it's a cop out, or whether it's because they don't like to see others having more than them, whatever, people resort to crime. Like The Singh, parenting is a huge issue. When I was a kid (not that long ago...) I wasn't allowed to do anything, say anything etc. For example pubs. When I was young, you could only take your kids to pubs with beer gardens and/or family rooms. If there was no garden, you'd have to sit quietly sucking on your Vimto. Now kids are allowed anywhere, and they run around regardless of other people who might want a quiet drink. The worst thing is, the parents are my generation. What the hell has changed? Selfishness. That's what. It's this "I'm alight Jack" attitude that's part of the problem. And that's just for starters. You're so right Lisa. And I'll bet in a lot of cases on here, you're preaching to the converted.
Darth Fox Posted 13 April 2006 Posted 13 April 2006 Watch Battle Royale, that would sort the youth of today out. Agreed!!
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